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Licht interviews for Bears GM position Mayer: In their search for a new general manager, the Bears interviewed Patriots director of pro personnel Jason Licht Monday at Halas Hall.

Flaw with Bears might be Smith's ability to get most out of roster Haugh: The surging success of the Giants suggests the flaw with the Bears might not be as much with Jerry Angelo's roster as in coach Lovie Smith's ability to get the most out of it.

Martz retires from coaching Jensen: Thirty-eight years ­after starting his career at a ­Fresno, Calif., high school, Mike Martz decided to ­retire from coaching Monday.

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Bears don't let Jon Hoke interview for Vikings' defensive coordinator job Biggs: The Bears declined a request by the Vikings to interview defensive backs coach Jon Hoke for their vacant defensive coordinator position.

NFL's high-powered offenses falling by wayside in playoffs Bell: Explosive offense ruled in the regular season. Yet that was hardly the Super Bowl ticket for the NFL’s top-scoring teams, the Packers and Saints.

SportsTalk notes: Drops, refs and Pats peaking John 'Moon' Mullin tuned in to NBC SportsTalk Monday and passed along some thoughts from Mike Florio and Brian Westbrook on the Packers, Vikings, Patriots and more.

Saints' loss to 49ers really hurts Rosenberg: Some losses are so bad that when you get home, your dog kicks you.

Report: Chiefs employees live in environment of ‘secrecy, intimidation, and fear’ Farrar: It got lost in the excitement of the divisional round, but there was an amazing story in the Kansas City Star, published on Saturday, about the allegedly negative environment from top to bottom in the Kansas City Chiefs' front office.

Report: Lions' Stafford comeback player of the year Stafford threw for 41 touchdowns against 16 interceptions this season, leading the Lions to a 10-6 record and a trip to the playoffs for the first time since 1999.

Worship of Tebow more like hardship One of the wonders of the Internet is that an acorn can grow into a forest fire in a matter of hours. A certain sports columnist from Chicago — we’ll call him "Rick Morrissey" — writes that Tim Tebow isn’t a good quarterback.

How to Get Over the Loss, Packers Fans Hendricks: Hey there, Packers. We noticed that you lost on Sunday.

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Razz report ranks him 7th in NFL in potential GM candidates (Grigson and McKenzie were both top 5 or so), but Pompeii says Licht wasn’t even in the war room on draft day and didn’t have much to do with college scouting.

http://blog.therazzreport.com/?p=270

by tomas21 on Jan 17, 2012 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

I really thought that GB and NO were goiing to win this weekend...

I guess defense is still relevant in the NFL. Although, both offenses put up a lot of points too. I wonder how mjuch say Marc Ross has had in NY with drafting WR’s. The Giant WR’s were huge in that win. It is also ironic that the Packers WR’s played such a big part in their loss.

by Ryan21 on Jan 17, 2012 8:09 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

I read somewhere last night

That Eli didn’t have many weapons. I was like, what?!

I’d imagine he has a lot of say since he’s head of college scouting. Or do I have the title wrong?

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by propheteer on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The thing about the Green Bay game was that the Giants defense actually didnt show up until the second half.

It was the fact that Green Bay’s receivers were dropping passes left and right during the first half.

Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!

by fortefan09 on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure how I feel about the Bears not allowing Hoke to interview for a DC position.

I understand the whole “within the division” thing but it sends a bad message to other coaching applicants that they do this on a fairly regular basis (last year with Tice and now this). It could also give them a reputation of being hard to deal with when it comes time to talk trade during the draft when you also add the whole Ravens debacle last year and when signing FA’s when you look at the Forte situation.

Maybe it’s because we’re so close to it but it seems like they do these kinds of things more often than other teams. Could be my imagination but with no GM, a coaching staff that could/should be on a win or else program, and needs at several positions, you would think they’d try to be viewed in a better light.

by BearFan611 on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

I agree.

That is a dick move by Lovie. If you respect your coaches, you shouldnt block their opportunity for promotions.

by Ryan21 on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

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Lovie Smith on Jan. 2: “Hopefully, we’ll have some guys get an opportunity to move up, whether that be asst coaches moving into coord roles”
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by David in Maine on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

IDK, maybe Houk didn't want to interview for it

This is his way of saying no thanks – have Lovie do it. Because we all know Lovie is that way.

OK, i’m grasping here, dick move.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

mike mccarthy

would disagree……

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Tice I understood

they wanted O-Line continuity, gave him a raise and promoted him a year later, but Hoke…idk, I’m not terribly impressed with his work thus far…I feel like we could find someone who does just as good a job as him if he did leave.

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Hoke was allowed to

Interview last year for Eagles DC position in part b/c his contract was up. Now he has a year left on his deal.

If its free, take two.

by T.J. Shouse on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

It makes sense

Because the Bears don’t want to try filling position jobs when a candidate would be hesitant to walk into a potential one-and-done scenario.

by Virto on Jan 17, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm ok with it

he’s under contract… I hope the same people that are up in arms over Hoke not being allowed to seek out a better opportunity while he’s under contract aren’t the same people that gripe and moan about players when they ask to have their contracts restructured.

I remember reading a lot of “shut up and honor the contract you signed” going around…

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 17, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Shut up and honor your contract Lester....

and stop making sense.

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree to a point but there is a difference....

this isn’t Hoke just looking for more money to do the same job, it’s moving up a level in responsibility to eventually get to a HC position. Players, in some instances, are justified to ask for more money when they are grossly underpaid based on their performance, especially when they’re working off of their original deal (Forte). Those players who signed a “big deal” and got what they wanted but then make noise because some other player a year or two later got more money, fall into a different category in my opinion.

That’s not to say they can’t ask to see if they can get the deal re-done but when they threaten a work stoppage if they don’t get their way, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them.

by BearFan611 on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

What about the case of a player that structured their contract

specifically to give their team some cap relief, then when the cap relief wasn’t needed asked for a restructuring?

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine

like I said, I’m not against players ever re-structuring or asking but just don’t agree with players who get the deal they want but then change their minds afterward based on what someone else is getting. That doesn’t mean they can’t ask.

Assistant coaches who are trying to get promoted to further their careers, are not necessarily being selfish, in my opinion, and the system forces the way they have to approach going after those higher level spots. The other factor here is that the way the article is written, the Vikings approached him, so he didn’t ask to get out of his deal, the Vikings were looking for permission to talk to him. I don’t think it shows much class to not even allow a guy an opportunity to improve his situation.

by BearFan611 on Jan 17, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

it's common throughout the league

some teams do, some teams don’t

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont blame the players when they want to restructure

those are 1 sided contracts anyway. which I am not against, because I think it keeps players competitive. I dont think our DB’s have the best technique anyway.

by Ryan21 on Jan 17, 2012 12:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

After reading that article about the Chiefs

I really don’t know what to say about the gentleman from KC Emery being interviewed for the GM job. His stock took a hit the moment it was made known he has ties with Ruskell. Now, to hear such a negative report about the Chiefs’ front office, no bueno.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

The thing is

I would think that emery and lewis have the edge because they either have ties to ruskell and or the Bears in the past….

Out of the list of candidates so far I only like ross and maybe raye…..I am still hoping that they bring in other people to look at (john dorsey for one) but I get the feeling that this is it….The “winner” will come from this list….Just my guess…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Ross and Raye are my favorites as well

I pray they choose either of those guys

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Does Haugh ever make sense?

I mean, I’m reading his grand article on why Lovie is a terrible coach.. Because Coughlin has a better record (by two games), has beaten the Packers more in the playoffs (meh)… and that Lovie doesn’t coach up talent enough.

The last point made me think about how our FO keeps and acquires talent, and how that’s an important balance… To be fair, one thing that JA did well was acquire good talent from FA, but… football, unlike baseball, isn’t a FA league. It’s a draft and develop league. But, how much of our talent has left and done good/great things? Outside of Benson, Orton, Grossman, and Danieal Manning… not all that much. Maybe that’s a good sign for keeping players on the team, but, another thing that’s frustrating is, when I was scoping out teams rosters vs draft place, there’s so many Pittsburgh, New England, and Green Bay talent out there over the past few years… And I thought. Why?

It’s easy. They’re overflowing with talent in a lot of different places and they’re comfortable with their drafted talent enough to work the price points and continue to build successful teams year in and year out. There’s really no value in comparing Lovie to the Coughlin (who won one Super Bowl (which shouldn’t be the prime metric for ‘success’… ask Marv Levy about that)… Because they’re both about equal, with one having arguably better talent on both sides of the ball…

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't even say Grossman did good

being with two offensive minded coaches in the Shannahans probably helped a bit…but there’s still Good Rex Bad Rex, and with Benson, I think it was more about needing a kick in the butt to get going rather than coaching, and getting cut did that.

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

No one left the Bears and went on to do ‘more’ yet…

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 17, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

unless you count Bobby Wade ;)

or Darwin Walker

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Some nuggets from Dickerson on ESPN 1000

- Bears looking mainly someone to run the draft

- Seems like Lovie will be in on the interviews

- Thinks that Bears do not want to bring in new people and that they want to hire someone that will retain most if not all the scouts managerial people

- If they wanted to make a clean slate everyone one would have been gone

- Mentions that Lovie loves antoine winfield wouldnt be surprised if Bears brought him in

- Tice wanted koetter Cutler wanted loggins

- Doesnt know if Bears will interview anyone else for passing game coordinator

- Thinks OlsOn would be a good hire

- Thinks Bears / Lovie want to keep Toub but Toub wants a raise just a matter of getting together and agreeing on money

- Thinks Hoke gets a raise for Bears blocking DC interview

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Antoine Winfield???

I rather have Ike taylor…antoine is sooooo slow now

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by T.Moore on Jan 17, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Lovie wasnt involved in interviewing,

why are there so many different reports. He should NOT be involved in choosing his boss. Why are the Bears such an ass backward orginazation? Head coaches are not supposed to have more power than the GM. It doesnt usually work out well. Why fire Angelo if we dont replace the staff. I cant remember which radio station it was but they said Angelo drafted players that everyone agreed on. Why keep his whole staff. This team loves scapegoats.

by Ryan21 on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

"seems to be"

there is some solid reporting

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by ed_brown on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

A big NO to Winfield

He’s injury proned, slow, short, and not nearly as good as he used to be. Lovie has to be one of the worst evaluators of CBs there is in the NFL. Thank Ditka he inherited Charles Tillman. Why bring him in unless he will become a backup? I’d tell him to shut up, get his head out of his rear-end, and wait until the draft where there are a ton of quality prospects to choose from.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

But Lovie

Likes him…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure about your first comment but

the whole ketchup thing ought to be a law with severe punishment to those who choose to ignore it.

by BearFan611 on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

gotta put a age thingy on that

cuz I never met a 6 year old that didn’t want ketchup on his hot dog.

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by ed_brown on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

as I recall you like the mustard ziz zaging one way and the Ketchup ziz zaging the other.

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by ed_brown on Jan 17, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oooh! Oooh!

Archuleta too!

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by GriggsBriggs on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Floyd turned down opportunity to go to Senior Bowl

link
NFP seems to think that hurts his stock big time…
Maybe that improves our chances of him falling to us?

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

That might drop him into the second round

His stock was already falling after having a bad bowl game where outside a fantastic snatch in the endzone, he was completely shut down. Fans would say it was all on the QB, but even with a bad QB, his stock is on the downside.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt he'd fall to the second

but maybe he could fall far enough that we could trade down, get a few more picks and still get him

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he will fall in the second

Already has a past that albeit has been resolved, will still be a red flag. An injury record. A bad bowl game. And now, he drops out of the senior bowl. It certainly has potential to see him dropped to the #3 to the #5 WR in the pecking order.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Some GM

will fall in love with his size and potential before the end of the 1st….I can see the later playoff teams giving him a chance to shape up his attitude….A team like balt, san fran, or maybe even green bay…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If that is the case

Why not go ahead and trade up into the late 1st? I remember Green Bay traded up to the late 1st for Clay Matthews in 2009 after they picked Raji with their first pick. Can’t remember what they gave up.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

FSU's kid locked him up pretty tight, but I am looking at the breadth of his career, his big play potential, and his room to improve when I continue to "support" him.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 17, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand and respect that side of the issue

And I wouldn’t be opposed to the Bears getting him, I just feel he is a safer pick-up in the 2nd than he is in the 1st.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Toub back
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
#Bears announce Dave Toub signs 2-year deal to return as special teams coordinator.

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by ThorCo on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

Great!

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That is very good news!!!!

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Jan 17, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yippie

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by T.Moore on Jan 17, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

nice gotta keep toub

Tony

by chitown-tony on Jan 17, 2012 2:01 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Kirkpatrick got caught with weed

Stock falling…Bears pick him up!!

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