Mike Tice Reportedly to Interview for Raiders Head Coach Position
by Kev H on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 PM CST
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According to this Chicago Tribune report, newly minted Chicago Bears offensive coordinator Mike Tice is in the targets of the Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders, who recently hired prized General Manager candidate Reggie McKenzie, recently parted ways with Hue Jackson after a somewhat tumultuous midseason, followed by a disappointing finish in the AFC West. Reports indicate that they have requested permission to interview Tice. The Bears OC is in the reported company of Marty Mornhinweg.
But can't the Bears just block the request, much like they did when the Titans made the request to talk to Tice about their offensive coordinator, or like they did for coach Jon Hoke? The answer and more lies below.
The answer, simply, is no. Teams can deny position coaches for lateral moves, or even for coordinator positions. However, NFL rules stipulate that teams may not deny a request to speak about a head coaching position, as long as the request takes place between the end of the team's season, and the date of March 1st.
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Why?
With this GM plan that they’re rolling out, next year is pretty much a wash for whoever the OC is anyhow. But then again, Raiders’ head coaches generally only last a year anyhow.
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by David Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
We'll see.
But any “respectable” GM is going to come in and want their guy for head coach, who in turns wants to pick his guys for his coaches / coordinators. The Bears have already handcuffed the position by forcing whoever comes in to keep Lovie next season.
With how good the Packers are, how good the Lions are becoming, and our upcoming schedule, I don’t see anything more than 8-8 next year. And 8-8 is not enough for Lovie to keep his job under those initial circumstances.
I may be wrong, but like I said… we’ll see.
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by David Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Already predicting before free-agency and the draft?
Their schedule should be much easier than last season- NFC West and the AFC South.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
The problem is...
the Bears went 1-3 in the supposedly easy AFC-W.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
But this was after
They lost Cutler for the season. I think they could have gone 3-1 or 4-0 against the AFC West had Cutler not been hurt. That offense was looking good up to that point
And they were within 7 points of every one of those games they lost.
Think Cutty is worth 7 points a game? I certainly do.
What about Forte not stepping out of bounds?
Or him not lining up incorrectly?
Add the terrible Hanie as well.
Would’ve easily been 4-0.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Yeah
I was implying him, and that Forte would’ve been smart enough not to commit those errors.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Jeez
minus Forte and Cutler and add Barber.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Free Agency... maybe, but the draft?
We’re talking about next season, right? I’m sorry, but I don’t every expect much out of first year draft players.
And yes, I’m “predicting” now. Our division alone has two of the top five teams in the conference. The 49ers, Texans are both top teams. The Colts will (probably) get Manning back, and the Titans, Jaguars and Cardinals aren’t easy wins by any means. Not to mention all of the turnaround on the coaching staff, yet another OC (maybe two) for Cutler and this offense, an aging defense, and the feeling of pending doom for Lovie and his coaches should they fail. The pipes can only take so much pressure before they bursts.
Like I said, I may be wrong… but, we’ll see.
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by David Taylor on Jan 18, 2012 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
A lot of things change
It happens every year, but everyone loves to make predictions on final records. Could anyone have predicted the Bears going 7-3 and then losing their only two offensive stars and drop five straight?
1st rounders should make an immediate impact, especially where the Bears are sitting. Carimi was already playing pretty well and was improving before he got hurt.
Will you change your tune if they sign Avril and Vjax, then draft a LT with their first pick?
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Honestly... probably not.
I’m also not as high on Vincent Jackson as most on this site are, though.
But you can never count on a draft player to produce right away. If it’s not for the bust factor, it’s a learning curve, or in Carimi’s case, they get injured a lot in year one.
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by David Taylor on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
It's the way he was used in SD
They really didn’t allow him to do much besides deep routes. I think it’s lowered his perceived value a bit, because Gates, Matthews, and Brown(slot WR)? occupied the short middle.
Based on the Bears experience, I don’t blame you being skeptical on first year players. All I know is adding another vertical threat, maybe another WR, a lineman, and a good pass-rusher would do wonders for this team. It was rolling until untimely injuries struck.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Agreed.
And don’t get me wrong, I hope they do well. I just don’t see it happening next year.
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by David Taylor on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Tice
is going to use almost all the same terminology. If a new OC is hired, the entire offense gets to learn a new playbook. Good luck with that.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Tice was plan Zeta...
Look for the Bears to coax Martz out of retirement! If you thought it was hard to get an OC when they hired Martz the first time…imagine what it’ll be like to find a guy who will likely get to see that last year of the Lovie Smith era and get associated with that debacle.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand green.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 18, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn’t one of the attractions of coming to Chicago being closer to his family? Might be a factor in not upping sticks and moving back to the west coast…
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
That was also
one of the reasons that Chicago was a likely place for Reggie McKenzie to take the GM job (because his daughter is going to Wheaton IIRC) and we all know how that turned out.
Isn't she going to Wheaton College?
Or is that someone else?
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
What in the..
This doesn’t even make sense. Mike Tice just got promoted to the job he wanted as the OC, and now the Raiders are looking at him? I’m dumbfounded by this.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 17, 2012 9:26 PM CST reply actions
Same, no idea where this all came from but it does seem very left field, doesn't it?
missing number 6
It's the Raiders
Does anyone question what they’re doing? Train…wreck.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
I don't know
what to root for, for him to get the HC job or not get it. If he gets it, Lovie will be forced to hire an OC who can coach the running game AND the passing game (what an idea!), and the Bears front office will be further exposed as incompetent. Perhaps that could be one more step in the direction of a true organizational overhaul.
But it would also force everyone to learn a completely new system.
i don't think he can
found this on twitter
skjensen Sean Jensen
Unlike a year ago, w/ Titans, #Bears can’t deny Mike Tice an opportunity to interview for head coaching vacancy.
It’s not like players being traded, is it? The Ravens guy we wanted to interview for the GM position declined to be interviewed as he wanted to stay with them.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
It's nothing like player trades.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Tice can turn it down, but Lovie can't block it.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Actually...
Tice would likely not turn it down out of hand. The smart move is to go ahead and interview and turn it down if he so chooses. He gets more experience in the interview process and it raises his overall value for the next position as his name will be circulating for the next time around, possibly even with the Bears if Lovie decides to move on.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
seems unlikely
for him to interview for Lovies job the Bears will have to have a bad season, too have a bad season and that would likely mean a bad season for the offense ruling Tice out. But, then again he gets a promotion after overseeing two of the worse Olines I can remember.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
*Best offensive line coach in the game
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by David Taylor on Jan 18, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more about...
the possibility of Lovie retiring after this contract is up, not a firing scenario.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
so you were the one who started the Jerry retirement rumors! :o)
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
of course he can.
The Bears can’t block him, but he can turn it down.
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by David Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
no worries
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by David Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
dont think so
from previous reports he wanted to stay close to his family and kids.. so moving to the west coast might not make much sense unless he really wants to be a head coach again..
i dont see it happening
Who knows....same scenario was mentioned about McKenzie and the GM Job in Oakland...
his family is all in the Midwest…
by David in Maine on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not all that concerned , I think hes stays here ..... Where are all the folks screamin for Toub for OC !
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Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 PM CST reply actions
Hopefully nowhere.
That wouldn’t make very much sense.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Bout as much sense as them screamin for him as HC here too .....
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
You can debate...
if Toub would be a good OC, he has no experience at it; not the best candidate. But he would be a very good HC candidate, especially in Chicago. He has the respect of the players and gets high quality play from mediocre talent. That sounds just like Lovie. Plus, his segment of the Bears is by far the most innovative and successful. And if he were such a horrible candidate for a HC position, why did he interview for the Miami job? Boredom?
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Ya no way he gets this
Every “NFL insider” says that a packer assistant (most say winston moss) is getting that job…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Can't see this more than McKenzie rattling the waters of Lake Michigan around Chicago
as a goodbye gift to the cheesyfingers.
On the other hand, if they’re serious, unless he really wants to prove his irregular work was more due to having a past-due OC ahead of him and wants to move back to HC, he will accept the position. Lovie is apparently covering all bases to remain in charge for as long as he pleases regardless of results, so might as well take the chance while he has one.
The Raiders should hire Tice
and the Bears should hire Hue Jackson as their OC.
Quid pro quo.
not a bad idea tbh
Hue isnt too shabby if tice we’re to leave
by beartopia on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And the difference between he and Martz would be?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Ha, you're talking to a Martz defender
I think he did a decent job his past few stops given crap talent at each. I’d trust Hue as a receivers coach and that’s about it.
Martz is too weak to throw his team under the buss.
Trys to retire with as much grace as possible at least in public.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
If my memory is correct,
Hue Jackson already turned down the Bears once, along with Jeremy Bates, and we ended up with Martz. I don’t see him coming to the Bears with the situation virtually the same: Lovie on the hot seat, and add in a new GM who may want to clean house anyways after this year.
E.F.K.
What's his alternative?
Not many OC spots left in the league.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
I'm indifferent about Tice
The guy has zero OC experience, and hasn’t exactly done a knockout job at any of his NFL stops in the past decade. I’m fine with him at OC if that means he’ll keep working with the oline in some capacity, and provide some continuity … but beyond that, he seems like just the next guy in line.
Not exactly zero experience...
He did call plays as a HC with the Vikings. However, your point is still quite salient. Tice is an easy answer to a difficult question, but not necessarily a good one. IMO, this is Lovie’s last season in Chicago. I just hope the Bears get a solid GM who actually understands football. I worry that they end up having to overpay a lesser GM candidate just to get that person to take the job and get stuck keeping him because it’s too expensive to fire him.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Judging by the fact that the first interviewee..
…wasn’t even allowed in the Patriot’s draft room, my hope that the Bears will actually hire a competent GM is diminishing; hopefully they prove my suspicions wrong. I guess time will tell.
E.F.K.
on a positive note
If Tice leaves, then they can hire Cutlers “guy” from the titans as OC.
by hEnIcE on Jan 18, 2012 9:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think Tice is Overrated and Wont Have A Problem if He Leaves
All this talk about his supposed line prowess and our o-line still was pretty inadequate this year. I also heard that maybe the reason why we didnt get veteran linemen in FA was because Tice prefers to work with rookies. Well we can see how that turned out!
but they did pursue some Olinemen in F/A last year
but players didn’t want to leave better teams for the Bears…..go figure.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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Brighter future in Oakland, than the sinking ship in Chicago.
Tice
Does anybody really think that he will go to a team that has NO DRAFT PICKS & a LOT invested in a HAS BEEN QB ????I would think that Tice can see the problems that are going on in Oakland..He might NOT want to be THAT guy….I AM NOT DISSING the Raiders, but the situtation is pretty MESSED UP…
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