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Matt Forte may go M.I.A. if he's Franchised by the Bears

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Earlier today while a guest on the Carmen, Jurko & Harry Show on Chicago's ESPN 1000, Bears Pro Bowl running back Matt Forte had some interesting things to say about his contract status this off season. He believes he'll get the franchise tag and he said that may prevent him from being around before training camp starts.

ESPNChicago.com reports that Chicago's final offer to Forte was for about $13-$14 million in guaranteed money and that's a "good ways" off of what Forte is looking for.

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Who ever the G.M. ends up being, I think priority #1 that he'll inherit is the Forte contract situation. The good news for the Bears is they could use the tag on him for the next 2 years, but is that good business? Hopefully they just franchise him to buy some time to get a deal in place, and hopefully they can find a figure somewhere in the middle to get an agreement done.

What do you think Bears fans, should the Bears cave in and throw elite money at him?

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I think its troublesome to give him a large contract because we have a sh*t ton of other needs, like... "right now" needs.

The entire situation is tied into the age of our defensive stars. Peanut, Briggs, Peppers, ’Lach…all approaching the twilight of their careers. Our realistic window for a superbowl run is 2 years, maybe 3.

If we give Forte that 20+ mil, it will make it increasingly difficult to upgrade at WR, LT and CB.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Finding an Emmit Smith/Thomes Jones type career is diamond rare

Given Rb’s given large contracts, it’s almost exponetially difficult for them to be as good in the latter half as the early half. I love Matt Forte, but I would realize that the Franchise tag pays REALLY well after CJ, and others got crazy cash.

I would ask for decent guranteed with a TON of incentives, paying out at the different metrics like 500 YfS, every 2 TD’s, and so on.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fine with this

I’m in the boat of “hey, let’s try to win it in 2012 or 2013 with the old guys”, but realistically that’s a long shot. Forte is a good back, but it’s not like he’s irreplaceable (Mr. Undrafted-2.8ypc-in-college Kahlil Bell did a decent impression of him), and if the Bears can turn any of these veterans into high draft picks, it’s probably for the best. I absolutely wouldn’t give him big money.

by YaoPau on Jan 19, 2012 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, Kahlil's impression of Matt was pretty good.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't trust the shelf life of RB's anymore

but I’d hate to see forte go…maybe a 3 year deal max though

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by ThorCo on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

I agree about RBs shelf lives

Not so long ago, you could get 7-10 good years of production out your starting RB.

by Big Ike on Jan 19, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It's been a myth for the last 20 years.

The advent of Juluis Peppers and Urlacher style DE’s and LB’s changes the force of every tackle to a RB.

I would say D.Sproles greatest value is that he’s so small, LB’s and DLine have hard time finding him, so he gets into the secondary.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I would seriously think about trading him if the picks were right.

A 1st and 3rd for him then yeah id trade him in a heartbeat. Maybe even for a 2nd and 3rd..depends on the offers

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by EmmCeee on Jan 19, 2012 2:18 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Open for debate. I could see if it was more than one, or say, if he had a history of injuries.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

COUGH CJ .2k.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 19, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Had a great season.

If you count getting paid for holding out.

And convert his YardsperAttempt into centimeters gained per attempt.

Then we gots some numbers. Also, you aren’t allowed to convert ANYONE else’s numbers into centimeters.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Um.....

He rushed for over 1000 yards at 4.0vyrds per carry ( a number Forte has only reached once.with just three fumbles and only one lost to go with four TDs. Add that to his 57 recs and 418 receiving yards and his 60 total first downs and I’d say you’re exaggerating a bit……

Funny how a poor year for Chris Johnson is still a good year for Matt Forte and people are still yelling “Pay the man.”

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 20, 2012 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Tag him

If he doesn’t play, he doesn’t get paid, iirc. If he refuses to play, let him sit the year and make nothing, then get rid of him in the offseason or if another team offers a nice trade.

He’s not the back to end all backs.

by Virto on Jan 19, 2012 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed. But honestly though, if he's threatening to not play with the franchise tag

Then I say just trade him now, rather than waiting. No sense letting him warm the bench for a year when trading him could be advantageous and there are positions on the OL that desperately need help ASAP (and don’t involve RB).

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by Jessica312 on Jan 19, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah whoops, nevermind, overtired and not making sense.

Not trade – I mean let him out of his contract now – that way there’s more money to bring in a player that could fill one of our OL holes.

BTW, it would be lovely if there were a way to edit our posts – but there’s not that I’m aware of?

missing number 6

by Jessica312 on Jan 19, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

There's not a way for those of us that are simple peons

but editors can…imagine this…edit. lol

His contract is up, he was in his final year. We have the following options:

Pay him with a long term deal
tag him and play him
tag him and trade him

His me-first money attitude could hurt his trade value, but I honestly think the number one team that would want his services would be Detroit. We simply can’t let that happen.

I like Matt Forte, I think he’s a great player, but not irreplaceable.

by Virto on Jan 19, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

The Steelers would love him.

Redskins, Dalllas, Bengals, Colts, Bronco’s…..

Possibly Jacksonville to help MJD out. Carolina. St. Louis

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We can't edit comments.

But I can ban and delete Jessica312, if that’s the group’s consensus.

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by Kev H on Jan 19, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Ban Jessica?

or her comment?

LoL

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by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

for realz?

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by Jessica312 on Jan 19, 2012 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

uhg.

you had to do the “realz”?

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by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

ban her for saying realz...

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Ban yourself for banning a lady.

Decency is dead.

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by Just Dave on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, I chuckled.

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by Pete Dixon on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

:D

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by Jessica312 on Jan 20, 2012 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I stand corrected, then

Thanks for clearing it up, Kev. I have had plenty of spelling errors that I wish I could have gone back and edited.

by Virto on Jan 19, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

A WITCH!

If she weighs the same as a duck, BAN HER!

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by Pete Dixon on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

NE

They may give up a bounty for him, and they always have the multitude of draft picks at hand.

How scary good would that offense be?

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by propheteer on Jan 19, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Matt, he's a great player, but no

As others have said, he’s very good, but he’s not irreplaceable. We have depth at that position. Bell is pretty good. The money that would be used to secure Forte’s contract would be the same money we could very seriously use at other positions.

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by Jessica312 on Jan 19, 2012 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

If I were Forte, I would have sat out last year until he got a contract

I would hold out this year. Because RBs do have a short shelf life he needs to get his big payday now. I would like them to re-sign him. I think he is excellent and I don’t think that he is as replaceable as most think but that is just my opinion.

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by parkernutws05 on Jan 19, 2012 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

With all the dough the Bears have squandered

on duds like Merriweather, they can at least pay a guy who has produced for them. There’s got to be a deal that can be made. That’s what GMs are for…

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by Gromowicz on Jan 19, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Now thats a tough one....

I think Forte was on the right track until the media started yammering constantly about his contract. If I am not mistaken, he and the Bears were on the same page at the start of the season about not having contract talks until after the season. I love Forte, and would love to see him play out his career here, but if he is getting all lance briggs on us, oh well, we’ll have to find another way around

by bassplayer98 on Jan 19, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah I was on the "Pay Forte" bandwagon at first

But after seeing our depth at RB, I think we’ll do just fine without map. It’s the other OL gaps that are more pressing (WR, for starters), and paying Forte a ridiculous amount would just take away from that.

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by Jessica312 on Jan 19, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Bell is not Forte

and as of right now, he’s a fumbling machine.

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by Gromowicz on Jan 19, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

When he looks at the market.

He’ll probably come down in price.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 19, 2012 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not one who likes threats.

If he’s making these kinds of noises now, I say give him a respectable offer, and then if he declines, franchise him and let him sit if doesn’t want to work.

Threatening is not a productive negotiating tactic, especially when you’re not the one holding the checkbook.

He’s a top tier RB, and shown that he can get it done. He’s also coming off an injury and I would expect his value would reflect that. If Matt wants to be a team player, than take your $6Mil per year and quit whining about it. Pretty sure we could find a high quality back in FA for a lot less than that.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 19, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

He did not hold out last year.

He played and was not a distraction. It would have been less if a hit if we would have just signed him last year. Now he played at a pro bowl level last year and we have lost leverage. He is way under paid and is only likely to get 1 big contract. If we dont sign him, we set a horrible example for other players. Play great and we will screw you then trade you. Why would anybody want to play for a team that doesnt rewrd its players who honor their contracts and play way above expectations.

by Ryan21 on Jan 19, 2012 4:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

True, not a distraction... but I know I got tired of every week hearing a quote from him saying..."Well you look at the running backs around the league who have similar output..."

Every time he was near a microphone, he commented. It got annoying for me.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Forte got a pretty decent contract offer...

it just wasn’t rediclous CJ2K money. Which should ONLY be spent on a amazing LT, or a QB.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

great qb's are getting $100,000,000 contracts.

Forte is hardly asking for qb pay. He played like a top 5 back and wants to be paid like one. How can we publicly say we get off the bus running and not pay him. Bell fumbled in every game. He is nowhere the player Forte is. We would have to draft a replacement for Forte.

by Ryan21 on Jan 19, 2012 5:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Which is not impossible when it comes to RB's in the NFL.

We have other needs that have to come before giving stupid piles of money to one of the easier positions to draft.

OLine, and LB are much harder to draft franchise quality players. Many rookie backs can rack up a couple of amazing seasons. See Cj Spiller, CJ2K, Ingram, Sproles, LT, Barber, so many more. You can’t do same with other positions like QB. Took the right scheme and 6 years for a #1 overall pick to produce. Bradford hasn’t produced at a high level. Matt Moore, Vince Young, Chad Henne, future(Terrell Pryor) could all be considered failures because of how high they were drafted, and the QB position is one of the hardest to transition to in the NFL.

You just can’t say the same with the RB position. Especially when you can get quality RB’s in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

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by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

What you said

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by Gromowicz on Jan 19, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It's because he's a RB

Wouldn’t happen at any other position. It’s technically a good business decision based on the track record and history of RBs and their contracts.

I do agree the time to resign him was before or at the beginning of last season. Could’ve saved a lot, as his value continued to increase as his numbers went up.

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by propheteer on Jan 19, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the general consensus (sp?) here is

Forte is really good, but not irreplacable. which is fine.
However, there are few backs like him in the league…
mayb 20mil guaranteed is on the high side, but 17-18mil seems about right, especially with some decent incentives…

by BOBdaBEAR on Jan 19, 2012 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think he is willing to do 17-18mil/guar'd...just from looking at his own statements.

He’s constantly comparing his out-put to guys who landed 20m contracts (i.e. DeAngelo Williams). Frankly, he has a point, he has been better the DeAngelo Williams…but he also needs to realize he is being obtuse if he thinks just because Williams got 20m+, he should. The big money RB contracts last year speak for themselves…lots of regretful front offices.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

CJ

laughed all the way to the Bank. After visiting Krispy Kreme.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

ZING

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Big guaranteed money contracts for RBs usually are bad investments

The going rate isn’t a factor imo… it’s about what’s a smart price to pay for a going on 27 year old RB

by YaoPau on Jan 19, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

$15-18 million should get it done

I think it’s reasonable, but also risky to tie up that much in a RB like a lot have said. Forte seems like a player who will play hard no matter his contract status, so it might not have an adverse effect on his play like most RBs who get paid.

I wouldn’t have a problem with them tagging him cause he’ll stand to lose a lot of money if he holds out.

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by propheteer on Jan 19, 2012 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

Wait just a minute

Forte has been the workhorse for this organization. He listened to the line he was fed (by the Bears management) about being a team player and getting his reward and how the Bears reward their own players.
He has done nothing less than excel, he has never complained, and he has acted with class on and off the field.
For years he has worked as one of the most under-paid players in the NFL.

You can’t change horses mid-stream. Either you believe that a player has to play out his contract and should be rewarded on the next contract for past performance and future value, or you have a system where smart players will holdout when they have a value that is higher than their current contract. Forte had a fantastic rookie season – should he have held out then? Or should his next contract have at least some reward for his past performance?

Look, two years of Franchise Tags will cost somewhere around $14-16 million and the cap hits are immediate. Why not give a more cap friendly contract? It speaks volumes to players on the roster (hello, Mr. Briggs are you listening), and can help the Bears avoid messy contract holdouts in the future.

I say pay Forte. Pay him his value to the organization (on the field and off). Make a statement that the Bears really do reward their own. He is pretty irreplaceable, Bell did okay after the injury, but ask opposing defenses who they would rather line up against.

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by NormalFan on Jan 19, 2012 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

Players have a right to hold out whenever they want to

Teams have a right to not give massive money to players who play a risky position. No reason to try to brand the Bears as “the team that rewards their own” … I’m not even sure that is a smart strategy. If Forte had held out after his rookie year, the Bears could have traded him for a 1st or 2nd round pick, and not a whole lot would have changed.

by YaoPau on Jan 19, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, he did listen to the line fed to him about being a team player and getting a deal done. And I empathize with him...

But, they can’t guarantee him any contract he wants—you cannot give a player an open check, because every player in the league overvalues himself. So they negotiated, and he didn’t get what he wanted, such is business.

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by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said.

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by Gromowicz on Jan 19, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Runningback? Irreplaceable?

/scratches head

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by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Quick question: What do you all feel his trade value is, just out of curiosity.

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by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 19, 2012 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

High 1st rounder this year and conditional 1st next year.

Aim for the stars, at least we won’t get dirt.

Conditional 1st along the lines of either Forte’s numbers being >1500 yards from scrimmage OR winning SB with new team. Either way, we should get a TOP 1st round pick this year. Top 10.

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by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not agree.

Low 1st at best, most likely 2 2nds.

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by Kev H on Jan 19, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a chance in hell

The Bears would be lucky to get one first rounder. More like a 2nd and a 3rd. Running back are a dime a dozen.

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by propheteer on Jan 19, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd ask

a first now, and a third/fourth (depending on the position of the first round pick) or a conditional second.

by lmfsilva on Jan 19, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Two things...

Sad news—the running back position ain’t what it used to be. Hard for us Bear hardliners to accept but that’s reality. I love Matt but—tag him and buy a decent WR.

And the good news—Ron Turner’s available! Fired by Colts here in Indy today! If Tice heads west, we’re covered!

I’m gonna go drink some more now…

by Mdwymnstr on Jan 19, 2012 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

You keep quite or I will stuff that bottle of JD where the sun don't shine.

The minute Ron Turner lands in Chicago is the minute I go buy me a pitchfork and torch.

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by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Get me Malcolm Floyd...

And I’ll keep quite quiet! Until kickoff. Then I’m grabbing another bottle. :-)

by Mdwymnstr on Jan 19, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

....

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by ThorCo on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate to break it to you Matt

but a RB who only plays 11 games and doesn’t break 1000yrds rushing probably isn’t going to get a monster payday.

Yes I love Forte as a Bear, but if Forte doesn’t lower his expectations to a reasonable level, ‘Pay the Man’ should become ‘Trade the Man’.

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by DaBearBus on Jan 19, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

Say what?

I think renegotiating the contract should be a priority, and he should be paid according to his contributions, but I’m drawing the line at players threatening holdouts.

If he wants to sit for a year, yeah, go ahead, and good luck finding your massive contract, 27-year old running back, coming from a hold-out season after a knee injury. Anyone else would be surprised if he rejected the 13-14 Mills now, and then accepted 8-10 Mil à là Kreutz ?

by lmfsilva on Jan 19, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

Then again, the Bears are dumb about paying for lineman

Otherwise we wouldn’t have a Gate 68 in uniform.

By dumb, I mean by treating linemen “cheaper then dirt”.

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by crackedcactus on Jan 19, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

thoughts on Forte

The Bears can run block now and will likely be even better next year.
so it would not be all that difficult to replace his rushing production.
Forte is an excellent receiver out of the backfield
he has good hands and is one of two guys on the team you can count on to catch/not drop a pass.
It would be more difficult to replace that part of his game.

With Forte the Bears need two decent WR’s and a LT to have a potent Offense,
Forte is a proven commodity subtract him and you now have 4 holes to fill.

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by ed_brown on Jan 19, 2012 6:10 PM CST reply actions  

Agree

Forte is arguably the most complete back in the league. Bell and Barber cannot and will not be able to replace the receiving and blocking aspects of his game.

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by Acreman20 on Jan 19, 2012 9:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Trust Angelo to resolve this situation.

Or Lovie to figure it out. Because that’s what you’ve been advocating the past 645 posts. Keep your amusement endless and the petty ways you dismiss any other opinion outside you own, insulting and degrading to anyone other than you. Given that, I agree with you. Learn how to be a better poster in the future. Please. And don’t give me the “grandpa” bullcrap. You’re younger than you want us to know. Play the “experience” card when it actually matters. But keep on bringing it. I’ll keep on….

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by Just Dave on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I applaude you Dave

truly a convincing rebuttal to my last 645 posts and you did it in under 100 words that’s got to be worth a bonus.

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by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually I'm not sure where that rant came from.

I must have been cranky, drunk or both. I think I was actually trying to respond a post you wrote where you called my criticism of Lovie petty. Which seemed a little petty to me at the time.

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Jan 20, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom Petty or Richard Petty?

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by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom.

Definitely.

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Jan 20, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

ok you be Tom and I'll be Richard since I am a dick anyway.

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by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Well played.

Nothing like having a petty dick. ;)

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by Just Dave on Jan 20, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Kahlil didn't drop a pass

this year. And he had all 19 catches in the 3.5 weeks after Forte went out. Replacing Forte’s receiving ability isn’t the concern. Plus filling all those holes will be a lot easier with an extra $7 mil in cap room.

by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2012 1:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Ummm fumbling was an issue though & Bell did it alot ......

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Problem is..

He’s near impossible to replace. You very rarely find a RB these days who has sure hands in the receiving game, can pound up the middle, run the edges that well, AND is a good chip blocker. He’s just a good all around player..limited shelf life or no, having him and a #1 go to receiver would easily make this offense click on all 8 cylinders(and they’d be able to get that within our semi limited cap space.) Our O-line is serviceable..and we have a shite ton of draft picks this season to start youthifying our defense and pick up another lineman. For as much as people hate on our current LT situation, Webb is not amazing by any stretch..but he is better than a lot of other people we could have in that spot.

by Pretender85 on Jan 19, 2012 6:27 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with what you said about Forte

but our O-line has serious problems, the biggest being Webb.

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by Gromowicz on Jan 19, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You lost all credibility when you said that our line is servicable

109 sacks over 2 years? How is that serviceable? And name me 5 starting LT’s in the NFL that are worse than J’Marcus Webb.

My opinion on this matter is that we first of tag him. We then test the waters to see what teams are willing to offer up in trade. If we can’t find anyone willing to compensate us what we want, we go back to the negotiating table.

by Joeb'n777 on Jan 19, 2012 6:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not reasonable for him to hold out

First, he’s more likely to get hurt if he doesn’t practice and then decides to play after a couple weeks of missing TC. Second, he stands to lose a lot of scratch if he does. DJax was slated to lose 30k per day if he held last summer. I believe it’s a percentage of a player’s salary. Third, he knows he plays a high-risk position- time isn’t on his or his agent’s side.

With the new CBA, team’s can call any player’s bluff with a carte blanche. He’ll most undoubtedly get tagged and won’t be able to do a darn thing about it except play.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 PM CST reply actions  

True

But he said he might not be around before training camp. Which means he’s probably just saying he’ll be skipping ota’s not camp in protest. And the new cba doesn’t have any penalties in it for that if I remember correctly but I could be wrong.

by Ninja636 on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Pay Him

because if you dont every other player will no longer be loyal to the Bears. Whats the point of giving it your best for so long and then get screwed over in the end?

by Gaak on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 PM CST reply actions  

Getting over $7 million doesn't = getting screwed

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

$600,000 for what Forte put up this yr(not including his first three seasons) = getting screwed.

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by Acreman20 on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I believe his agent negotiated his contract

and he signed it.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Can't disagree with that.

He’s also severely outplayed said contract.

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by Acreman20 on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's the point

We want Bears players to severely outplay what the Bears paid them. That’s how you win championships. The hope is that lots of Bears players do that, the Bears dominate, and when those players’ value is at the highest and their contracts are up, the Bears can trade those players to get more guys who severely outplay their contracts.

by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

So you think you can just pick guys like him off the street

after you get rid of Forte?

The guy deserves the money so the Bears need to stop being cheap and just pay him. He is half the offense. Heck JA paid millions more to the Manatee, Chester Taylor and YourBoyRoy and they didn’t do crap.

by Gaak on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I really dislike the McCaskeys, Phillips, and Angelo and generally side against any decision they make,

but there is an inference by many of the posters who say “pay Forte” is that the Bears didn’t offer him anything, or very little, last off-season. They actually offered him what, by all accounts except Forte and his agent, was a very fair contract.

I’m not saying he doesn’t have the right to get more but why don’t the Bears have the right to their position? They have stated often that they want to keep him and offered to make him a very rich young man but there are realities to the business side that demands they have to do what they think is the right thing for the overall good of the team. Whether they can actually make a correct choice in that area is up for debate, but the fact is Forte was made a very substantial offer and there is the possibility that he and his agent are overestimating his worth.

This isn’t a one-sided stubbornness…

by BearFan611 on Jan 20, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

very well put

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It occurred to me that I really don't disagree with you all the time

most of the time when you say something that make sense to me I just nod my head and read on. but, you can’t see a head nod so I should take time to type that head nod. Your a diehard Bears fan which buys you a lot of good will from me anyway.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Right back at you...

besides us old guys have to stick together……sometime!!!

by BearFan611 on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sad

I have been unable to keep up with all the sports I did 30 years ago.

It is hard for me to keep up with basketball and baseball where it seems the players all change teams every other year.

I can remember when the cubs were a team who won a pennant just a handful of years ago. when the sox finished 2nd to the Yankee’s every year and Stan Mitika held the record for most stitches acquired playing hockey

I really had high hopes for this team until Cutler got hurt.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what you mean...

I stopped watching the Cubs after the playoff debacle with the Dodgers. Two years of playoffs and getting swept were too much. I went to my first game in the late ‘50s and saw Stan Musial play so I figured I’ve given them enough until they really commit to changing. I’m more optimistic with this latest management change.

That’s exactly the reason I get so upset with the Bears. I remember the ‘63 championship game and can’t believe it took them 22 years to get back. Now here we are 27 years later. I don’t have that kind of incremental time left to put up with mediocrity.

by BearFan611 on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be keeping a interested eye on Theo

Just to see if he can get anything going over there.

As far as the Bears go they need to all out this offseason to put together a team that can make a run at going deep into the playoffs.

If 2012 doesn’t work out it would be time for rebuilding.

It took Jim Finks a few years of drafting high in the draft to aquire the talent that dominated the mid 80’s it would folly to think any new GM can do it in one year.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 21, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more which is why I think they would have been better off

just biting the bullet and committing to that now. With the Packers and Lions already ahead of us (obviously, neither of them is going to sit still this offseason) I fear that this next season will be a waste of time that could have been spent planning for later on. Hope I’m wrong.

by BearFan611 on Jan 21, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes they can

They don’t have to replace him with just RB production. Kahlil can provide a good chunk of what Forte gave at 1/15th the cost. Then they can use Forte’s $7-8 mil to upgrade at DE, or WR, or LB. Then they can use the draft pick they get in return for trading Forte (a 2nd and 3rd seems reasonable to me) to get two other potential bargains.

I agree with BearFan’s comment above me. The Bears offered Forte a fair contract, even if it’s below market value. If he’s willing to sign for that reasonable price, bring him back. If he’s okay with a franchise tag for a couple years, bring him back. If not, the Bears have a fallback option.

by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

So you prefer Fumbles over Forte?

Well I guess I wont be surprised if the Bears dont make it to the playoffs again.

by Gaak on Jan 21, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Forte is not the lenchpin of the offense, Cutler is.

a couple decent WR and a LT along with an average RB = better than what we have now with Forte.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 21, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a misnomer

to say the Bears are “cheap.” It’s just not remotely true; they are consistently tops in the league in payroll.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

as soon as rb,s get the big pay-out it,s like a curse. they come down with a major injury or do not produce.

by stepeo on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 PM CST reply actions  

Is it me?

Or does that just happen to money hungry assholes with no work ethic?

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by Acreman20 on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

it is like reaching your ultimate goal

they worked very hard to get there but once they have it they seem to have nothing left to play for.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't see how

The bears don’t sign forte. While we have other needs why would we trade away a young runningback that is our only weapon on offense besides cutler, that makes no sense so even if he gets franchised this year I’m cautiously optimistic hell get a new deal next year if not this year. I hope the new GM isn’t dumb enough to neglect his value

by beartopia on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'm sorry trading one of your only offensive weapons .....

…. expecially one that sets up the play action pass ( which Tice intends to do more of ) is just dumb . Do you see the Vikes saying , " Aww Eff it AP’s worth a ton in trade even if hes the majority of our offense " ….. No . I realize that you are just putting it out there , but I’ve seen too many other saying trade him while we can & thats just not a smart move .

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Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 20, 2012 1:58 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Can we please keep him?

I know he wants money. He’s earned money. A LOT more than a second round pick has gotten. CJ2K earned his pay. Lack of production this year or not. He payed early to get payed later. If he didn’t produce afterward, so what? I’m a proponent of paying ppl for what they do. He clearly has yet to be compensated. He has a right to be upset at not getting real money and feeling undervalued whilst being the most productive member of our team by FAR.
I would not like a repeat of what happened when we relied on a certain #32 before. Kahlil Bell may turn out to be serviceable but he is no Matt Forte. I’d rather not gamble.
Good things are expensive. We need Forte—and for that matter, we also need Briggs. Otherwise my nick would be pretty stupid.
Anyway. There’s my two cents.

by MidwayMonster55 on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 AM CST reply actions  

He has a right to be upset at not getting real money

Have they been paying him with monopoly money?

by Beer Down! on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You know that wasn’t meant to be literal. He’s clearly outperformed his contract and should be compensated for doing so.

by MidwayMonster55 on Jan 20, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

...

I am a proponent of people finishing what they start, and if someone has to take a low-wage to get exposure, that’s what they have to do. Nobody forced Forte to sign that initial contract. He could have declined and sought somewhere that was going to pay him more. He didn’t. He signed. Finish out the contract
Now, with his most recent injury, can he realistically demand and expect top pay? If there is any time a team needs to be skeptical about offering a contract, it is right after an injury. Trainers, physicians, management, or even Forte himself do not know the implications of the knee injury. I guess we might have a chance to see what he can do in the Pro Bowl, but that two-hand-touch game isn’t a real game, let alone will it indicate what he will be able to produce on a weekly basis. I feel playing in this game is a down-right stupid move for him since it isn’t going to prove anything, but i digress.
Is there an answer besides the franchise tag? Well, I would be shocked that a contract gets settled and I doubt that the Bears are going to let such an asset just disappear. Forte is going to demand a Forte-ton of money and the Bears are going to should be skeptical in signing a RB to that’s coming off a knee injury to a huge deal. If he chooses to sit and sulk on the bench with a franchise tag, ‘trade the man(DaBearsBus)’. If he gets to the half way point in the season putting up his regular numbers, then we can start looking at paying him a good contract with great incentives.

by Beer Down! on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

The knee injury concerns are overblown imo

It’s a sprain. I’ve never heard of a player’s career being threatened by a sprain. As far as I’m concerned, Forte will be 100% healthy next season. That said his risk of injury is still the risk of a 27 year old getting tackled 250 times per year, which is significant, and why I don’t want to give him big guaranteed money. But the recent injury does not factor in.

by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

it's unlikely he could have gotten any more than he did on a rookie contract.

one way or another he will be making some real money now.

. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank

by ed_brown on Jan 20, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me get this straight. You want more performance so that you can be comfortable with us paying him because of an injury he incurred? He got the injury because he wasn’t a little punk and sat out to protect his assets. He took a risk and gave us a helluva season making salaries well below his worth to us. Now he’s injured. Watch the pro bowl. You still run in two hand touch last I checked. I think its time the franchise took a chance on his knee like he risked it to give us his all.

by MidwayMonster55 on Jan 20, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If Forte needed surgery maybe his contract risks are a bit higher but that's not the case

I’d cut barber and bell before Forte. It’d be easier to find someone that can run out of bounds and fumble than a guy that doesn’t fumble often, can block, can break tackles, cut back. All the threads on this board about how management needs some shaking up, why trust they can do something with a draft pick. Forte doesn’t seem like a guy who would back down after getting a big deal especially with cutler there who depends on him in the passing game. I’d like to fill the voids we have not create new ones. Just my thoughts.

by dmtrpt11988 on Jan 20, 2012 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

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