The Bears Den: January 2, 2012
by Pete Dixon on Jan 2, 2012 9:01 AM CST
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...Roy Williams said whhhaaaaa???
Calvin Johnson must be pissed to read that lol. Speaking about REW, though, if he is brought back after two solid games to end the year, as long as a top tier talent is brought in as the #1 and Roy accepts the league minimum, then I won’t have as much of an issue with it.
And how bout ‘em Lions, ey? Getting matched up with a white hot MVP candidate right after a back-up QB essentially threw his name in the MVP race with his respective performance, oh boy…it’s going to get ugly in New Orleans as I expect a one-sided affair.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 9:26 AM CST reply actions
lol true that re lovie speak!
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
LOL, great song choice
I was just listening to this the other day
***Jeff Fisher for front office 2012***
(A real change we can believe in)
And Steve Spagnolo bites the dust in St. Louis
Black Monday has begun in the NFL
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 AM CST reply actions
Another HC might be let go
TribStarTJames Tom James
Rumors are leaking out that Jim Caldwell and staff may be let go but nothning has been announced or confirmed.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
mike martz shall free me.
- Caleb Hanie on mike martz
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
That does not surprise me. At all.
Jim Caldwell is by far the most overrated coach in the NFL.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
But he did that with out
his star QB…..You know like another HC did…..But i digress…..
Looks like bill and chris polian (indy GM) are not safe either……
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Let's see
Jim Caldwell went 2-14 with a much easier schedule than the Bears, where Lovie went 8-8 for the year. Understandably, our record would be MUCH worse if we lost Cutler from the getco; however, this team was far more motivated and competitive than Caldwell’s bunch. Lovie coached this team with his players to a Super Bowl, Caldwell simply took over a super bowl contending team built by a great coach in Tony Dungy.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Actually
it was built by bill polian…..Well that is said most of the NFL analysts….Course over the course of the last few seasons polians drafts have not faired well…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Caldwell doesn't even do anything
We all know Peyton is the real coach there
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the evidence would seem to point to that conclusion
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
Nugget about Lovie's coaching record.
In playoff seasons (three) he’s 20 games above .500.
In non-playoff seasons (five) he’s 8 games under .500, including his 5-11 rookie campaign.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions
Add
1 – 8 against an aaron rodgers led packer team…….
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
mike martz shall free me.
- Caleb Hanie on mike martz
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
See, when he signed up, as a Bears HC, Favre was the QB, so he should get a pass. LOL
by transylvanian bear on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
If you exclude his first season as an outlier, he’s 1.25 games under .500 in non-playoff seasons. His teams either win alot (14-2 in playoff seasons per your average) or are mediocre (7-9 in non-playoff years). That’s not bad. If winning is the thing, there are a ton of coaches who have results far worse than Lovie.
This is not grade school, where everybody wins. It is the SB that is the prize, or bust. I have not seen too many SB losers happy to be there, Bears included.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is somewhat true
I guess….I mean its not like he has horrible year(s)….Still (as a fan) I would want to see them in the playoffs every year…..With gb current talent and det on the rise I can not see that in the immediate future unless something drastically changes….But I am a Cubs fan thus a pessimist….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
If the Bears would have been in the playoffs this season,
it’d’ve been four years in the playoffs and four out in Lovie’s tenure, and they’re teams that are usually in contention.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
good points all...
…but Lovie seems almost Tebow-esque in how he has gotten to the playoffs, meaning the Bears have gotten there in spite of him, not definitely because of him. Too harsh, maybe so.
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
Eep. Can't count this morning.
22 games above .500 (6, 10, 6), about 7.33 per year, making his playoff teams 12-4 on average.
And I’m not really saying anything, lol, any stat, especially coaching record, requires grains of salt, but that’s just what the number is.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
WaddleandSilvy Waddle and Silvy
The #Bears #1 receiver has 13 career TDs…Calvin Johnson has 16 this year. But the guy evaluating talent at Halas Hall is safe.
IMO I think angelo and martz come back….But thats just my guess….From reading / hearing various things it looks like their is a conflict between Lovie and Angelo on whether martz should be brought back but my guess is that in the end he is brought back……But eh….
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
mike martz shall free me.
- Caleb Hanie on mike martz
The Bears should take some queues from the Packers on Sunday. Their back up put up 6 td with those receivers, we managed to scratch 1 win in 6 tries. Good job and a pat on the back for JA, isn’t he awesome?
by transylvanian bear on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions
IMO that says
more about the talent at WR ……You know cause WR mean nothing to Angelo…..Gotta draft that DE / DT / S……Can never have to many of those…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Considering everyone wanted Caleb Hanie to go uncontested as the back-up to Cutler
Well hindsight is 20/20 afterall
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Eh most
everyone but Angelo is in charge of the evaluating talent….In the end it is his call…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Except Angelo didn't bring in anyone Martz didn't want to contend for the back-up job
Rather he drafted the player Martz wanted to groom for the back-up job. And if Jerry did sign someone off the street, there would have been a mob to greet him at Halas Hall.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
this is one time Jerry actually did exactly what we wanted him to do.
and it blew-up in our face, but happily we can still blame Jerry because after all he has the final say.
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Lovie should not be fired
Look, after living through Wanny and Jauron, the fact that Lovie’s teams always come out around the .500 mark at worst (minus the 5-11 campaign from Lovie’s first year) and have made the playoffs three times (and would’ve gone there this year if it weren’t for the collapse, plus the near-miss 2008 when we were 9-7). So Lovie’s teams are always threats to win any given Sunday. Compared to Jauron and Wanny, that’s night and day. I think Lovie has earned the right to serve out his contract at the very, very least.
Angelo being fired is debatable though, I agree that Angelo is not bringing the right personnel to the table. I consider 2012 the last chance for Angelo. If we don’t make it to the NFC Championship I think firing him should be strongly considered.
Finally, McCown has been serviceable I think. He’s earned the right to play for number 2 in camp. His numbers, minus the Seahawks interception when he clearly wasn’t ready to play, are okay. Journeyman, game manager yardage, 2 TDs, 3 INTs. For someone out of the game for so long and only had a month to get his head back in the game, he played much better than I think we all expected. I’m not going to hand McCown the 2nd string role, we should have Enderle and McCown battle it out to see who should be number 2, and bring a young QB in to challenge Enderle for number 3. But I think McCown should be in play for number 2 in preseason and should be signed for a 1-year or 2-year deal while we’re in a “win NOW” mode.
Agreed
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
So because the two morons who preceeded him were so bad, we should be happy that Lovie is mediocre?
Someone above wrote this isn’t grade school where everybody gets a reward for participating and truer words were never spoken.
Lovie has had more than enough time to establish this team but we’ve missed the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years! You don’t reward professional football coaches for that kind of performance because “Wanny and Jauron” really stunk. Martz will be sacrificed so that it appears that major changes are being made and to give Lovie/JA another excuse for next season.
I’ve reached the point where if they’re not going to make the moves that really need to be made, then don’t change anything at all and give both JA/Lovie two ultimatums. 1. Go deep in the playoffs next season or you’re both gone & 2. Even if you win the Super Bowl next season, we’re not extending your contracts again until you prove you can perform for 2 seasons in a row.
If neither one of them are willing to work under those circumstances, then let them walk.
So your all for firing a staff that got us to the NFCC game & had us ....
…. on the verge of the playoffs for a second strait season ? Wait wasn’t that what you wanted ………
until you prove you can perform for 2 seasons in a rowIf Cutty doesn’t go down we make the playoffs with ease and you’ve got your two winning seasons in a row . Come on man we have a good team and you want to dismantle for the sake of dimantling .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
"on the verge" isn't in the playoffs
“on the verge” is mediocre and that’s where they’ve been for the majority of the time this group has been in place. Do you really think they have a chance of overtaking the Packers next season? If they are “on the verge” next season too, are you willing to give them another year then as well?
This staff has proven that they are mediocre and haven’t shown they have what it takes to go to the next level. Like you and I have discussed in the past, the window on this team is closing quickly and there aren’t any real impact players with 3 years or less experience so the cupboard is pretty much bare as it shuts.
I agree that if Cutler stayed healthy, we probably would have made the playoffs but we don’t really know that for sure. Go back to the famous Parcells quote “you are what your record says you are”, everything else is just conjecture.
Have we done this dance before , cause it seems kinda familiar ??? The only thing ....
….. really holding us back is JA’s drafting and overall talent evaluation . Lovie and his staff have worked absolute miracles with what they’ve been provided . Honestly I think as long as we add quality depth & a starter or two between free agency and the draft we could make a few legit runs at a title .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 2, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haven't we done this dance....
Lovie has equal input into talent/drafting for awhile now. It was granted 2 contracts ago. So while I agree JA isn’t all there, the blame must fall on both, if not Lovie more.
by TheMan1 on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's why I said this...
Like you and I have discussed in the past, the window on this team is closing quickly and there aren’t any real impact players with 3 years or less experience so the cupboard is pretty much bare as it shuts.
Look, I don’t disagree about JA sucking as a GM/Talent Evaluator but as many people on this site have pointed out in the past, Lovie’s contract calls for him having almost equal say on personnel decisions so how do you completely clear him from this group of players. The other thing that none of us will never know is even if the choices were all Angelo’s, there is no way we can say that they absolutely were the wrong choices if Lovie and his staff suck at developing that talent. My guess is it’s a combination of the two but the bottomline is this entire regime has not gotten the job done and that’s all that really matters.
I think that if you bring in a new GM, it only makes sense to let that person bring in the staff he’s willing to go to war with. Why handcuff him with a group he might not think much of. If the coaching staff were that successful, the GM position wouldn’t be in question anyway.
Admittedly you can only play the team in front of you, but we got to the NFC championship game by beating the only playoff team with a losing record in NFL history. Then we lost to a team who’d already lost 15 players through injury.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Said "team with losing record"
Beat the Saints, who I’m sure said the same thing. The other team only won the Super Bowl.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not the team...
I do think there is a core of talent that could be leveraged into a playoff caliber group, but Lovie is not good enough to get more out of this team than what he already has. His defenses have been average (for all of the hype) in points allowed (and just plain bad in yards allowed) for all of his tenure except 2005, 2006 and 2010; that’s less than half. The Bears have never had a top 10 offense under Lovie. They have been to the playoffs 3 times in his 7 season tenure; not surprisingly 2005, 2006, and 2010. Lovie may not be the problem, but he sure isn’t the solution either. The whole FO needs to go immediately and I would not be unhappy to see Lovie go as well.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
but...Jauron looked so much like Skeletor's conjoined twin, separated at birth
…that has got to carry some weight in the decision making process here.
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
I have no argument on that point and if we're going there
we should also put some weighting toward the cheesiness of Wanny’s mustache.
Bye bye Raheem Morris
He too is canned.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply actions
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