Thank Goodness That's Over...
The NFL Films highlight show about the 2011 Bears should be titled "What Could Have Been" or "Lost Opportunities." After last season, fans thought, sure we'd be right back in the thick of it for a title this year, and after a rough start, the team was before injuries derailed the season and fans' hope. Yesterday's season-ending win was at least something nice to carry the Bears into hibernation; break the five-game skid, leave a not-as-bad-taste in our mouths and we got a look at some players for offseason consideration purposes. Other than that, all I got from yesterday's game is that 1) I hate Jared Allen and 2) Josh McCown might not be coaching high schoolers next fall and I'm OK with that.
The announcers during Fox's broadcast yesterday, Darryl "Moose" Johnston, Kenny Albert and Tony "Goose" "I played DL for 12 years and that means I can be obnoxious" Siragusa acted as if Jared Allen was the greatest DE in the history of the game. His accomplishment was nothing to thumb your nose at, but, in this new passing first league, in a year in which we've had three (THREE, after 80 plus years in which only TWO had done it, TOTAL) 5,000 yard passers, 22 sacks isn't hard to get, especially when you play the Bears twice a year (insert rimshot). Sacks are going to be like WR and QB numbers from this era; inflated. The number of dropbacks is rising and so it's not going to be hard for a player to get upwards of 15 sacks a year.Anyway, so Hall of Fame voters are going to have to start re-evaluating the way they are going to evaluate players from this era, but I digress...
This should be an interesting offseason for the Bears. Finishing 8-8 was gross and awful, but at the end of the day it's not bad. It means the team went 1-5 without their starting QB, which shows Cutler's worth, but also means there was a good chance the team could have been 10-6 or 11-5 with him. Not that that is something fans want to be reminded of today, as they watch division rivals Green Bay and Detroit march into the postseason. I'm also going to throw in having to watch Atlanta get to play in January after the Bears trounced them opening day back in September 30-12.
The Bears hold the 19th overall pick in the draft, the team can thank their strong strength of schedule for that, while it's not a game-changer of a pick, like a top 10 pick could be, we all learned last year that crazy stuff happens, like when Gabe Carimi, a guy many experts thought would be one of the first two or three tackles taken, lasted all the way down to the Bears at 29.
So Jerry Angelo will have options, that's of course after he and Lovie make decisions regarding coaches such as Mike Martz and Dave Toub, and not to mention the many players who have expiring deals like Matt Forte, Josh McCown, Corey Graham, Tim Jennings, Israel Idonije and Zack Bowman. Plus there is a guy like Lance Briggs who wants a new deal and other players, such as Amobi Okoye who could see extensions.
Let's not fret then, sports fans, because there are going to be plenty of decisions, news and discussions to be had regarding the team. At some point this week we'll get Jerry Angelo's annual Excuses Seminar, uh, I mean "End of the Season Press Conference" where he'll speak in vague phrases about what moves the team could make and then make excuses for why they won't make any of said moves and more excuses for why another playoff-less year was somehow beyond the fault of the coaches and him.
And, as always, WCG will have all the stories, updates and open threads in which you can pour out your heart, plans, ideas and ways to improve the team, and mostly, to complain about Jerry and his lack of moves.
It's going to be an interesting ride, but 2012 season will be here soon enough and the Bears should be right back in the drivers seat.
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need to make improvements to the WR & OL
We are not that far away as a team with the proper upgrades made. I just feel with the defense getting older in key positions that we cannot afford to have any regression whatsoever.
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
Weird, I feel like we have been here before....
Oh yeah, around this time last year.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'll say it again...
Defense is not needed. the teams who make the playoffs get there with Offense, not Defense. the game has changed, and the Defense gets flagged for every hit.
its an Offensive game now.
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 2, 2012 3:21 PM CST reply actions
true, I think you have to avg. about 27-30 a game to win now
and the rule changes are really favoring the offense. I don’t think more 400-500 yard passing days are out of the question.
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
I'm betting we will see multiple 600 yard games at some point
Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
especially with the emphasis on offense these days
These QBs could set long-standing passing records, heck, Drew Brees could top his passing yards record next year.
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
we could see QBs w/ 60-70 passing TD
Sort of like 70 HR was thought to be unreachable, we could see guys w/ 6000-7000 yards passing
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
There is a chance
that numbers start reaching CFL levels, but doubtful they get to Arena numbers, haha
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jan 2, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
There is definitely no doubt that we need major upgrades at OG, OT, WR.
We can’t ignore CB and LB though.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
right we really need a solid #2 CB in FA
Potential names there are Brandon Carr (KC) and Brent Grimes (ATL)
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
Really, really, really, really, really want someone to preface their question to Angelo during this upcoming State of the Bears address with the record of his first round picks.
And we can all witness a human head explode.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
not just the 1st Rd picks, they should ask him about the 1st 3 rounds of the draft in particular
it’s those choices that really set a franchise back from achieving long-term success.
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
You're right.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Would you guys rather draft a WR or trade for a Brandon Marshall (or someone of the like, doesn't have to be him)?
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
there are going to be very talented FA WR this spring
Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, to name a few. It’s very likely you can add someone that way and then draft a WR.
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
I am still of the school of thought that if we draft a line that can protect, those crossing routes, and therefore catch and runs, would really open up.
I’m not saying that our WR core is good, or even average, just that we have to get a line that can protect and run block or we will be banished to mediocrity for the rest of Jay’s career with the Bears.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
will keep Jay healthy too, we've seen that as long as he gets time to throw, we can be a very productive offense
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
Johnson and Holmes as well
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
I would take just about anyone over Holmes right now. He showed his true colors when things were at their worst this year.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
True
but Sanchez really, really isn’t a very good QB.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
If he didn't play in New York, he would just be another Gabbert
Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
Agreed. Sanchez is NOT good, and the NY/East Coast thing keeps attention on him, good and bad.
But Holmes having that melt-down during last game of the year when an organization needs its leaders (and I think Holmes was named a captain this year) to keep things together is just inexcusable. Imagine him on the Bears this year, playing with Hanie/McCown, with the Bears on a 5 game skid. Not for me.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Gotcha
You sold me on not pursuing Holmes. Not that it matters a lot, but I didn’t realize he was a team captain.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Interesting tidbit from Mike Wright
Mike (Deerfield)
So Colts clean house, despite winning a majority of the past 10 seasons and a Super Bowl back in 06. Why do the Bears consistently stick with the current regime through thick and thin, mostly thin?
Michael (2:43 PM)
Mike that’s a question for the organization. Basically, the Colts have established a tradition of winning football, and anything less than that is unacceptable. You also have to realize that ownership in Indianapolis is much different than the McCaskeys. Jim Irsay has no problem with spending big to acquire talent. Just take a look at the Colts payroll.
Mike (Deerfield)
So Colts clean house, despite winning a majority of the past 10 seasons and a Super Bowl back in 06. Why do the Bears consistently stick with the current regime through thick and thin, mostly thin?
Michael (2:43 PM)
Mike that’s a question for the organization. Basically, the Colts have established a tradition of winning football, and anything less than that is unacceptable. You also have to realize that ownership in Indianapolis is much different than the McCaskeys. Jim Irsay has no problem with spending big to acquire talent. Just take a look at the Colts payroll.
we should have a tradition of winning football, we're the charter franchise
It should be unacceptable to go 8-8
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
by walterfan34 on Jan 2, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
But
they’re right where they want to be!
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
The league is shifting...
The old philosophy that defense wins playoff/superbowl is slowing going away…I mean come on look at Brees, Rodgers, and Brady…They are all putting ridiculous MVP numbers up, and the new league rules are certainly not favoring defense at all. I know Lovie Smith is not an offense guru, so should Bears also shift there policy and their view towards Lovie?
I agree we can not blame Lovie for our meltdown, but can we really become an offense like Packer, Patriots, or Saint with Lovie Smith as head coach? What good is Lovie Smith defense if they are allowing 30+ points to team like Saints and Packers? I like Lovie Smith a lot I know he is a very good coach in terms of managing his team, his ability to control players and garner their respect, but from what I saw this season from other NFL team…I hope NFL make few new rules to make it easier for defense, or we need a major overhaul in our coaching staff to make it more offense oriented.
I agree and it might even make sense to have Martz as the head
coach or another offensive minded coach like Jay Gruden.
Maybe
passing defense wins Championships.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
just have to score more points
As I said above, I feel you have to avg,. 27-30 to win games, it’s an offensive league now, that’s a fact. We know the Cover 2 scheme is outdated and a good QB can pick it apart, they just take what the defense gives them. But you’re going to have to score in the 30’s to win games now.
"i'd like to see us draft an owner." Jim McMahon, 1986
"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
The Cover 2 isn't outdated, per se,
it’s not being executed well, and that’s when they’re actually running it.
If you actually look at it, you’ll see a lot of Cover 1 Man, and other shifts. But when they do run cover 2, they don’t get the pass rush. The pass rush not being there causes the guys behind them to not be able to execute, so they do indeed get gouged underneath all day.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @Kev_WCG
Of course this team needs to make improvements
But this team, while healthy, was well on it’s way to perhaps the most promising run in a long while. At one point, it was seen as a far superior team compared to the team that hosted the NFCCG in 2010. The offense was starting to ascend the ranks in yardage, and had a top 10 rank on two categories, points per game and rushing yards per game.
Then, the injuries really began to pile up. Throughout the entire year, the offense in particular lost pretty much their entire roster to injuries at different points of the season. I mean, this list of starters that missed games on offense is simply epic:
QB Jay Cutler
RB Matt Forte
WR Earl Bennett
WR Johnny Knox
WR Roy Williams
OL Lance Louis
LG Chris Williams
OL Chris Spencer
RT Gabe Carimi
The only starters to start and finish the season were Roberto Garza, J’Marcus Webb, and the TE tandem of Davis as well as Spaeth. When everyone is healthy, this team is a playoff contender. Give Jay Cutler a big time weapon on offense and perhaps a decent player at LT, the Chicago Bears could then transform into Super Bowl contenders.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM CST reply actions
Not sure about this...
It’s going to be an interesting ride, but 2012 season will be here soon enough and the Bears should be right back in the drivers seat.
I think GB and Detroit will be favored over the Bears in their own division going into TC. It’s hard for me to envision them doing enough in the draft and free-agency to change that.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
The Packers will always be favorites to win the division
The Lions, on the other hand, lucked out.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 2, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. They lucked out.
By being one of five teams in the conference to have double digit wins.
When are people going to acknowledge that the Lions are legit? They can put points on the board, and are a far cry from what they used to be. Their coach may not quite have them under control, but they’d be even scarier if he did.
They were fifth in yards per game, and fourth in points per game. Kudos to the organization—they built a team that’s designed for the new NFL. It’s a fact, and the sooner Bears fans can come to terms with it, the less ridiculous we will look when talking about the Detroit Lions.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @Kev_WCG
Like I said in a past post
Look at the scheduling for next year, Packers will have to play other division winners in Giants and Saints, Lions get the second place teams in the Eagles and Falcons, Bears get the third place teams Carolina and Cowboys, everyone else is common opponents (NFC North foes, AFC South and NFC West) so that gives us two games that are a little easier than those guys, I think we’ll be right in the thick of it, the schedule will be better for us, unless there is a brutal stretch again like this year.
Plus everyone will be geared to stopping the Packers this year and slowing Megatron, the Bears will again be the underdogs and overlooked and that gives us an advantage because the team loves that role.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jan 2, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
*Ahem*
There’s one problem—Carolina will probably be much improved next year.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @Kev_WCG
I exoect the same score, but it will be more satisfying this time.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
expect*
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"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah maybe
but their 28th ranked defense needs a lot of help.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jan 3, 2012 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Agree completely and we should have learned by now that
teams can change completely from one season to the next with coaching changes, injuries, draft picks, and free agency. Did anyone see the 49ers being as strong as they’ve looked this season when 2010 ended or the Colts going the other way?
The schedule based on the previous season’s results, means very little in today’s NFL.
What do we think of Marvin Mcnutt?
Would he be available in the 2nd rd? I’d be OK if we got him in the 2nd, and a O-line guy in the first.
Prov 6: 21 - 22
Iowa's Reif would be nice, if he came out and slipped to 19.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be nice
Get some good Hawkeye blood in on the OL like back in the day, like Hilgenberg and Bortz.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jan 2, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
I like McNutt
What’s his speed like though? He’s definitely got size but I wonder if he’s a fast enough guy to be a difference maker.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
by Sam Householder on Jan 2, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
I think he is fast enough. Probably a 4.5-4.6 guy.
We just need to fill so many needs…and nothing in JA’s past tells me that we can restock wisely and efficiently.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I am fully ready and excited for the off-season/draft over-hyped ridiculousnes.s
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
As people have posted in PAST!! what we need is a CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP, the MCHEAPIES need to have BEARS produce a profit. Thus the low ball offers to players, coaches ETC. IF the Mccheapies are the OWNERS BEARS WILL NEVER BE AN ELITE TEAM. WE NEED OWNERS THAT ARE FOOTBALL FANS!! that will and can SPEND the MONEY, owners that do not need income from BEARS. THE MCcheapies NEED the INCOME BEARS produce!!
The Bears payed out $94 Million in payroll this year
In comparison the Patriots payed $89 Mill, the Redskins $81 Million, and the Cowboys $90 million. These numbers include bonuses and incentives paid out as well I beleive. I am sure there are a few teams spending more than the Bears but I only checked a few teams. Here is the site I got these salary numbers from.
Its been a while since “the McCaskeys are cheap” argument held up and with the new rules requiring teams to spend a large portion of their alotted salary cap there really is no way to “cheap out”.
League-wide commitment to cash spending of 99 percent of the cap in 2011 and 2012.
" For the 2013-2016 seasons, and again for the 2017-2020 seasons, the clubs collectively will commit to cash spending of at least 95 percent of the cap.
and here is the link to the source on team spending, basically in the new CBA teams have to spend these percentages.
Sorry but please update your McCaskeys are cheap argument, Wilbur Marshall and Willie Gault would agree with you but probably not to many players since the 80s.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 2, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
It's not really how much you spend
But who you spend it on. The Bears have over-paid some players and under-paid others. The result has been mediocrity and missed playoffs for 4 of the past 5 seasons.
That's a different discussion entirely and you might have a point but
I am sick of hearing people spout off about how cheap the Bears are without qualifiying their remarks in any way. Just saying “da Bears is cheap” doesnt carry much weight with me.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 2, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
You’re right, though. They are spending a lot of money on team payroll. But they’re not doing the proper evaluations before they’re making those investments. If they were, the on-field results would be different – this season (with all of the catastrophic injuries) aside.

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