Mocking the Mocks: Who they think the Chicago Bears will take
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM CST
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The last time we looked at a mock draft they had the Chicago Bears taking Notre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd with the 19th pick. This time out we'll stay close to home and look at a draft from the mother-ship, SBNation. With the 19th selection of the SBNation Mock draft (Jan, 23rd version) the Chicago Bears select Michael Floyd, wide receiver, Notre Dame...
Here's their astute analysis:
This is a pretty obvious pick. Chicago has Jay Cutler and no one for him to throw to in the passing game. Floyd's hands will be a big help for Cutler in 2012 and beyond.
If the actual draft fell the way they mock it, I think Floyd would be the choice for Chicago. Go check out their 1st round mock then tell us if Floyd is the way that you would go.
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I'd buy that for a dollar !!!
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM CST reply actions
Nice Robocop reference...
and I too would…“buy that for a dollar!”.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
they have Martin going 22
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
He was a pretty solid LT. I wonder why he's mocked to go outside the top 20?
by frenchbears113 on Jan 24, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Most mocks I see have him going top 15
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No way Martin goes after Mike Adams from OSU
Adams is a VERY late 1st round/ mid 2nd round guy.
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Agreed. Adams is a monster and apparently he's been looking good at the Senior Bowl but Martin has been legit for years and does everything well.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 24, 2012 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Adams had some durability issues
He may sneak his way into the late 1st round, but I don’t see him going any higher than mid to high 2nd
Martin is the 3rd best offensive tackle in the draft IMO
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The combine can/will come along and change everything/everyone.
Most projected rounds will fluctuate (sometimes very heavily) by +/- 10 spots after the combine. Especially after the top ten to 15 projected picks.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Ehh even with the combine
I don’t see the OL prospects changing much. They usually don’t. OL and DTs don’t usually change much with the combine
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by suckmyditka on Jan 25, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
An LT isn't going to step in an win games right away.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
itd be a step up from hester
maybe knox and roy
Martin > Webb
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Better chance than a WR
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When you need both
an LT means Cutler might remember which sideline the Bears are ON.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
An LT Could Allow Cutler to Continue A Win Streak
Webb was a sack machine
by taketheunder on Jan 25, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Still saying..
FA a good/great WR and draft either a LT or an elite CB in that first round. But either way I wouldn’t say no to Floyd, Dennard, or Martin. Supposing the draft falls exactly that way of course
good luck finding an "elite" CB with the 19th pick lol
The only CB that’s even close to a #1 corner in this draft is Claiborne out of LSU
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Yeah, this isn't the year.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
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Juron Criner
He’s a really good receiver that was injured for his senior year at Arizona, and still produced good numbers. He’s rated #18 among the receivers draft eligible this year. This is a guy you can pick up in the 4th round.
My point is, I think the Bears should go for a big free agent and then pick up another receiver in the later rounds whether it’s Criner or some other guy. Use that first and second pick to get an OL or LB. Maybe even a cornerback.
by Corncob Justice on Jan 24, 2012 4:58 PM CST reply actions
The way I see it, the Bears only have one "need"
and that’s WR. There are other positions of concern, but I feel confident that Idonije, Roach, Jennings, Steltz/Wright, Webb (I know I’m in the minority here, but I think we can expect 23 year old physical freaks to progress), KDavis, Bell, Garza could be serviceable for at least another year.
At WR, there’s nobody who is close to being a #1 next year… I wouldn’t even say the Bears have a #2. There’s a gaping hole there that might not exist at any other position, and so if the Bears are going to make a big talent leap in the next 1-2 years and win a Super Bowl, hitting on a 1st round WR pick would be the biggest step the Bears could take in that direction imo.
Imagine if the Bears sign Bowe & Forte, hit on Michael Floyd 1st round, and Webb/Carimi are both serviceable next year. Admittedly, a lot would have to fall into place for that to go right. But if it did, that puts the Bears in legitimate Super Bowl contention, whereas if they draft LT/LB/CB/DE, they’re limiting their upside and giving themselves just a puncher’s chance.
Webb isn't servicable
The depth at wide receiver is better than it is at Oline. I think Bowe and Floyd would be wasted on this team with our line. They can only do so much when the QB has to rush every throw. I thought we needed 3 linemen last year and think we still need 2 this year. Bennet looks good and Knox is a good deep threat who can’t go deep because our Oline sucks. I would be happier with a FA or drafted tackle, guard, TE, CB, DE, or safety than I would a WR.
we need an up grade at LT
we also need two WR’s because what we have is a joke. We had the fewest passing attempts in the league and still got three WR’s on the all drop team.
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Webb *wasn't* serviceable
plenty of mediocre-to-bad 23 year olds who did just fine afterwards.
for a team that had the fewest passing attempts they were very close to giving up the most sacks
It would seem to be a little easier go get a “serviceable” LT than a new Jay Cutler.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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Through the draft?
Apart from a few elite tackle talents (Long, Thomas, Clady), almost every LT rookie has rated poorly his first year, and often first two years.
Anthony Castonzo was mediocre this year.
Trent Williams was bad last year.
Russell Okung was mediocre last year.
Brian Bulaga was bad last year.
Eugene Monroe was mediocre 2 years ago.
Chris Williams was Chris Williams.
Brandon Albert was okay, but rated worse as a 2nd year player.
Sam Baker has been awful.
Duane Brown was bad his rookie year.
Levi Brown has never been good.
doesn't indicate that Webb will snap out of it this year.
He started out a raw 7th rounder who struggles mightily at RT and was then moved to LT where he continued his struggles. This is a serious problem that needs to get fixed or it is going to limit the usefulness of that #1 WR.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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I agree, Webb is no sure thing
So I think some investment in LT is smart. But instead of spending a 1st round pick on an LT who will likely struggle early on anyway, I’d rather the Bears bring in a veteran LT (Bengals fans really like their backup Anthony Collins, Sean Locklear should be available if you want someone with more starter experience), and then use their 1st on a potential game-changer.
sounds good the draft is really for the future
free agency is for the here and now.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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Caleb Hanie seriously inflated those sack numbers though
by his inability to find an open target and his tendency to hold on to the ball too long. Something Cutler appeared to get better at last season. Our O-line was also missing a fine right tackle in Carimi who would have given us some more freedom when we had to scramble the line as the year went on. I think we can invest in either a mid round draft pick at tackle or get a veteran in free agency. Get a wide receiver early and late in the draft.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Yep, Cutler only got sacked 23 times
That’s about a league-average per-game rate. And it got better after a slow start.
Sacks on Cutler by Week:
Week 1: 4
Week 2: 6
Week 3: 3
Week 4: 1
Week 5: 3
Week 6: 1
Week 7: 2
Week 8: 0
Week 9: 2
Week 10: 0
I think the concerns over the Oline are legitimate, but I don’t see the logic in those saying that protecting Jay was the reason the offense struggled this year.
Are you really saying
we are ok because, although we started poorly and finished poorly, we did ok in the middle?
the less you pass the less you get sacked
that was still 7.3% compared to a league average of 6.7% and Cutty was getting rid of the ball very quickly rarely getting a chance to look downfield.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
so that % takes into account the pass attempts
why does passing less make a diff?
by TR MacReady on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
do the math
the average nfl team passes 65% of the time
The Bears under 55% of the time
few pass plays leads to fewer sacks
Tom Brady is only sacked 5.4% of his passing attempts and he gets to look down field.
Cutty was getting dropped 7.3% of his passing attempts and he was getting rid of the ball quicker.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah 7.3% isn't great
It’s not bad though… puts him right in line with Green Bay, Pitt, NYJ, and Houston, just a touch worse than NFL average.
There’s also a fairly strong relationship between passing a lot and having a low sack%. I doubt there is clear causation (it probably goes both ways), but defenses usually stacking the box against your offense probably doesn’t help. The teams who passed the least (Denver, SF, Houston, Miami, Jax, Chicago) all ranked in the bottom half for sack%.
like getting a D on a History test,
If you can’t pass what does that leave you.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
but this is 7.3%
with very mobile QBs. Both cutler and Hanie are known for being able to keep plays going, 7.3% underrepresents how poor our line is.
I think you're coming into this with the belief that the line sucks
and aren’t looking at this objectively. In many cases, having a mobile QB can hurt sack%. Look at Green Bay, or Pitt, or Denver. You could be right, but Hanie clearly seemed to be taking more sacks than he should’ve been, and I’ve never thought of Cutler as being great at eluding defenders. Then are plenty of immobile QBs who are very good at evading sacks (Brady, Peyton, Brees) imo.
I only think the line sucks because it sucks at pass protection
but did show considerable improvement in the running game.
But my biggest concern is not the entire line it’s Webb and LT position.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I think you are too focused on sacks
While GB, Pitt, and Denver have high sack totals, they all have better than average (low) numbers of QB hits, while the bears had high sacks and high QB hits. Its just one system, but Football Outsiders give the bears the #24 Line to run behind and #31 to pass behind. Regardless, we have a bottom 1/3 offensive line. I am not saying we need to sign 2 probowl lineman, but we need 2 starters just to have an average line.
That's not what I said
We did okay in the middle and the offense still wasn’t a strength. From Weeks 4-10, Cutler had a 87.5 rating and averaged 7.2 ypa. The offensive line could use a depth upgrade, but I don’t think it’s a priority over WR.
why does it need to be either or?
we really need a couple of good WR and a LT that is 3 players to change an offense.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Having a clear figure for cap space would help
IOftenPanic’s thread originally had it at $13-$14 million if Forte is brought back, although one of the last comments said that cap space rolls over, so I don’t know. If there is, say $25 mil of cap space, a lot of this is moot.
right now for 2012 the Bears are 19 mill under
they will have to sign their draft picks out of that as well as new or used F/A’s
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Actually the Bears are $33.7M under the cap.
Apparently there is a rollover, though I have only seen one figure on that which I don’t count as 100% reliable which is $11.2M. Basically $45M under the cap (w/o Edwin Williams cap figure… couldn’t find a reliable source on it).
There is also some dispute as to Hester’s roster bonus of $5M, whether it applied to this year or not. If not, it’d be awesome, because that’s $5M more in space.
by IOftenPanic on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
disagree
wr is the the clear number 1 its not even close. webb will get better. carimi should progress. cw spencer louis garza will all be good.
if they draft an olineman in the first im not gonna cry. but a wr better be right behind him in the second rd.
bennet is the only one who can run good routes. roy is decent. hester and knox are no bueno.
my point is they need 2 WR's and better play from the LT position
I have serious reservations that Webb will progress enough. I don’t expect them to fill all the holes from the draft or from F/A but a combination of both.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
i agree with that
im fine with bringing a LT to compete with webb but were not gonna get some world beater in FA or in the draft.
but i think webb will get better and if it doesnt click this year then it prolly wont.
since Webb is far below average, a average LT would look like a world beater on our line.
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Webb was supposed to get better this year,
He didn’t. Webb might be acceptable next to a LG, but not Chris Williams. 4 of our lineman are the quality of good backups and the other is an injured rookie. Arguments can be made for why any of them, individually, should be back starting next year. However, as a group, they are far below average. We need 1 top FA WR and we have an above average WR core. Replace 1 offensive lineman, and we still have a below average line.
nope
one WR will not give us an above average WR core. right now the only WR that qualifies as average is Bennett.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Knox
is above average. In his first 2 seasons, before losing time to Williams, his stats are indistinguishable from DeSean Jackson. Additionally, I beleive our WRs are held back by having such a horrible Oline. We run a timing based offense, but the WR always get the ball early in the route because of the pressure. I do believe we need a #1 WR, but that this is less important than a LT or interior lineman.
Knox is a #4 WR
he is a one trick pony who is lucky to have Cutler throwing to him.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Seems harsh
considering that “one trick” makes him open for some very big plays.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
it is still just "one trick"
he runs poor routes, his catch rate is poor he is good when he is wide open and it is a perfect throw.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Jay Cutler has made Knox
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Mr. and Mrs. Knox would beg to differ.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
They "made" him, Cutler made him nearly a 1,000 yard WR
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
there not gonna run that offense anymore
comparing his receiver skills to jackson isnt helping your cause. our entire team is being held back because our receivers cant catch or run anything but awful routes
They are running the same system
It will be more running focused, but I have read nothing about them changing the system.
hmm im sure there will be audibles
so your hiring a passing coach to run Martzs offense? dont think so. it wont be radically different.
why not CW
i thought he was getting a lot of praise before he got hurt
by TR MacReady on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
He has failed at LT, failed at RT, has had a handful of decent games at guard. His injury history alone would make me uncomfortable depending on him, let alone with only limited success. Even at his best, he has been average. We are not talking about flashes of dominance, but rather flashes of mediocre. I see no reason not to replace an easily injured player whose ceiling is average.
He started off horrible this season
then became mediocre and then became hurt.
But that is his best
At best he is mediocre, and that has only been for a short span. Over his career he has consistently been far below average. If we are going to have a WIlliams starting at guard, i would rather it be Edwin.
He did get better this year
He went from godawful to somewhere between mediocre and bad. And there are several cases of good LTs who needed a 3rd, sometimes 4th year to turn the corner (Bushrod, Monroe, Duane Brown, Demetrius Bell).
I hate that everyone on the Line but Carimi went to D-II / D-III schools. There’s a connection there.
light em up
What?
I’m pretty sure that Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are SEC schools and that’s where Chris Williams and Spencer went to, respectively. Edwin Williams went to Maryland, which is a D-I school too. Lance Louis went to San Diego State, while not a powerhouse of college football, is also a D-I school. Only Webb and Garza went to D-II schools.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
What "depth" at wide receiver?
Bennett (nice in the slot but not a #1), Knox (hmmmm), and then…..? Dane S.? We have a pro bowl alternate at center. The rest might be par to sub par but two of our “starters” didn’t make it through the season and last years first rounder didn’t make it much past training camp. We can’t begin to adequately gauge our depth there.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Bennett and Knox
are better WRs than Chris Williams, Edwin Williams, Spencer, Garza, and Webb are at Oline. Thus, while we need top end talent at both positions, we have average to above average slot and deep threat, but below average talent at 4 of the 5 Oline positions.
S'cuse me?
ANY of our wide receivers are better than Garza? Really? And what about Carimi? Ready to write off his entire career after…Nothing? So we wasted last year’s first round draft pick? Chris Williams was looking pretty solid at guard before he went down. Who’d we lose at wide receiver this year? I agree that we need some solid help on our o-line and you have some very valid points but to suggest that we have a greater need on the line than at wide receiver seems short sighted. We used a first round pick just last season on a tackle. Let’s see what we get out of him before rushing off and panicking and grabbing another high round tackle. Our receiving corps has been a joke for DECADES. Now that we finally have an actual NFL caliber quarterback for the first time in same said decades, why not give him a real weapon? Draft a friggin’ wide receiver in the first and another project in the 5th, 6th or 7th. And bring in a mid level free agent. Get something done. Now.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
by Just Dave on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
4 out of 5 positions
I didn’t mention Carimi, I like him as a player and beleive that we should have seen him at LT. Part of the problem is that Garza plays better at guard than center, Louis looked better at Tackle than guard, and spencer is playing out of position. That said, i do think Chris Williams should be gone.
We should invest in Cutler, but I think a solid Oline is more important to his success than WR. WR is a need, but I believe that our WRs have been held back by Cutler constantly needing to get the ball out early. We run (ran?) a timing based offense, but force QB and the WR to rush everything.
Bennett looks like a solid slot receiver. Knox is a great deep threat. In his rookie season, before he lost playing time to Williams, his stats were indistinguishable from Desean Jackson.
We need a #1 WR and a LT and a G/C. in an ideal world we draft at tackle in the first round, draft Fleener in round 2/3 and pick up a WR and G in FA.
I don't understand why they had Cleveland and ST Louis trade picks
It’s not like the Vikings will take RG3 so why the trade? Puzzles me
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maybe people think
that the Vikings or Rams will draft RG3 and then trade him like the Chargers did with Eli Manning?
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if anything
The Rams would want that #2 pick for Blackmon so the Vikes don’t take him
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::shrug::
I think the Vikes have more needs than WR…like LT, DT, CB, G and LB. But if Blackmon is the best WR by far, then they’d have to take him
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Point is
Rams shouldn’t trade down and Browns shouldn’t trade up. There are two teams in the top 4 that have a glaring need at QB and that’s indi and Cleveland. Indi will take Luck and which means RG3 will be there when Clev. picks at 4. However, there are 4 teams in the top 4 that have a glaring need at WR. Since Indi is taking Luck, Rams will have to take Blackmon at #2 or risk losing him to the Vikes.
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i mean unless stl trades down for more picks
they need them.
It's not about the Rams trading down
it’s about the Browns not needing to trade up because RG3 will still be there when they pick at 4.
Plus if the Rams pass up drafting Blackmon , for more picks, then they are dumber than I thought
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Browns need to trade up so the Rams don't trade down with the Redskins, Dolphins, etc.
The Browns have the extra picks. They need to make sure they get Griffin.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
My fantasy draft priorites
1 – WR
2 – TE
3 – DE
3 – LB
4 – CB
5 – LB
6 – Safety
7 – WR
Criticism welcome.
i see ur not on the "our O-line sux!" bandwagon
which is fine…
All of those are positions of “need” or “possible improvement”
WR definitely, Cutler NEEDS a go-to-guy
TE in the second? I’d rather use a 3rd on one and see is we can get a DE/LB/CB in the second (Best player available, always…even with that 1st-rder)
The 2nd 3rd-rder should be a defensive pick
The reason i’m against choosing an O-lineman is:
I believe (perhaps foolishly, but w/e…) that our current group of guys can get it done
A line of Webb (improving)-Williams-Spencer-Louis-Carimi is not at all a “bad” O-line.
As for rounds 5-7, we are searching for a) diamonds in the rough, b) developmental (red-shirt IR) players, and c) special teamers
Oline
Doesnt suck imo i think it’s actually going to be a strength so i dont see why the should waste a pick unless its someone as you stated is the best player available. Rounds 5-7 i agree ST or i was thinking depth wise. TE/DE Spathe(sp?) can go, he never was that great of a blocker which he was brought here for, at least consistently. Davis we should keep and they actually may not need to draft one that high but i dont really know how good Davis can be so with that in mind i’d go for one high and then may be we could have 2 really good TE’s like the pat’s (pipedream but its possible). DE Peppers needs help we didnt do enough last year consistently enough to make me feel comfortable.
I thought that's what everyone said going into this year
How’d that turn out?
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 25, 2012 6:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really like TE/DE as high priorities
Gronkowski, Graham, Carlson, Moeaki, Gresham, Keller all made impacts as rookies, and a few others (Davis, Pettigrew, Finley) emerged in their second year. I love the low risk at this position. I like Kellen Davis, and he’s still just 26 … but if the Bears can add another big, athletic target who has a good chance of contributing right away… why not.
Here’s an odd stat: there hasn’t been a DE drafted since 2008 who has had double digit sacks his rookie year. Here’s the list… only Carlos Dunlap has topped 7. Weird. I’d still probably take a DE somewhere in the first three rounds, but I think the Bears need another pass-rushing DE immediately, and that’s probably best solved through FA with Mincey/Bennett/Avril.
Davis
Did some impressive things i thought when given the opportunity add another TE but with some more speed i can see some domination along with a good WR and Forte.
Aldon Smith comes to mind.
YaoPau I liked your list. It made me think. I guess Aldon Smith is an OLB in a 3-4. And there must be more 3-4 OLB’s who made an impact as a rookie.
But this got me thinking… soo many teams use the 3-4 and they all overvalue that disruptive, athletic passrusher. Heck, the Texans were using Mario Williams. With so many other teams reaching and overextending themselves to fill that position. I wonder if it wouldn’t be better to go get a monster NT. I’m thinking Albert Haynesworth in his prime (w/out all that other stuff) to go along w/ Peppers, Melton, etc… Is there anyone available, FA or draft, that fits this bill?
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I'll just relay what the ratings say
Three of the top 5 rated NTs this year are free agents: Sione Pouha, Derek Landri, Brodrick Bunkley. All three are run specialists, unfortunately. Landri had the highest pass rush rating of the three, and he’s probably the least heralded… dude got cut during this season before being re-signed and then dominating.
The funny thing is… if you’re looking for a NT passrusher… the Bears arguably have 3 top young ones in the game… Melton rated out really well, Okoye was a bit more effective per snap than Haloti Ngata this year, and Paea has ability. I really like the Bears DTs next to Peppers.
Depending on who the passing coach is...
I don’t think it is really clear what the needs are on the offensive side.
Free agency can alleviate a lot of the issues at WR. If we get the equivalent of Ron Turner, I don’t think we need to do much more than a big splash (Bowe, VJackson, RWayne, Colston). If we get someone who actually likes passing the ball, drafting a WR makes sense.
I’d put LT over TE, LB, and CB as immediate needs. With an offensive line guru, this line wasn’t good. Talent would help. I’d still put DL (DE or DT) before any offensive position as our biggest need. The Bears haven’t had 40 sacks in a season since 2007. An aging Julius Peppers isn’t enough. Whether it is through free agency or the draft, the Bears need to address pressuring the quarterback (and, unless they trade Briggs, LB isn’t an option).
LT is definitely top three
Webb was terrible at time and could get a hand on ends even with help.
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by propheteer on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Davis
Did some impressive things i thought when given the opportunity add another TE but with some more speed i can see some domination along with a good WR and Forte.
adding a TE with some speed is really going to supercharge our running game.
over Boston way where TE’s go wild catching passes their Oline only gives up a sack 5.4% of the time and everyone knows they will be running a pass play 75% of the time. Our Oline gives up a sack 9.8% of the time inspite of a balanced run/pass attack. Your not going to see anything resembling a NE attack until the Oline can protect Cutler.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I don't think the bears offense will be like NE
but i do think it’ll be alot better than it has been in long time. We’ll have a healthy OLine, Jay, Forte, a #1 WR, the force is strong in Tice, have faith ed. I forsee good things.
lol
we are talking about picking up the next Charmin, and we only have one guy you can call a WR and a bunch of big guys that are happy to block for Forte but not Cutler. lol why not.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I can actually see bears picking a tight end at this spot
by beartopia on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dwayne Allen is the best TE in this years' class
Yet for some reason he is normally taken in the mid second round from a few mocks.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I can see the Bears bringing in a top flight receiver in FA, then take Floyd in the first round
It would certainly turn our receiving corps from one of the most shallow, to one of the deepest. V-Jax/Colston/Bowe/Etc as the #1, Floyd as the #2, and Bennett in the slot? Sounds good to me.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 PM CST reply actions
If bears can sign a OT and WR from the free agency i got no problem with them
Floyd in the first but if that dosent happen u need to protect cutler or nobodies getting the ball thrown to them.I hope the bears sign WRS from the free agent market cause we dont know if knox will be the same guy he was and thats not really saying to much.
I think people are forgetting that Martz is no longer running the offense
That, by itself, should lend to less sacks. The Martzfense has always been bad on the sack-front. It seems like wherever he goes the QB gets killed, not just with sacks but with hits. I don’t have time to do research, but I’m sure that his offenses have probably always been in the bottom half of the league when it comes to QB hits, etc… I think that line will do fine without him there. Please, add depth. But the Bears have some things going for them on the O-line front: youth (compared with just 2-3 years ago), no Gate 68, and physicality. These guys are pretty big and strong, and it seems like their technique is improving. Keep in mind that they finished the year without 2 of the starters.
Another thing that Martz has traditionally done is get good production out of receivers. He hasn’t been able to do that with this group. Getting a good-great receiver will help Jay stay upright as well.
yea every team he has been with has given up
like 50 sacks or something. even with the rams and they had pace
With the Bears, he (Martz) was giving up just as many sacks as with Detroit and San Francisco
But with much fewer pass attempts (and a mobile quarterback).
The line is so bad at pass protection, even with Offensive Line guru Mike Tice, it couldn’t block as well as 2006/2007 Lions or the 2008 49ers lines.
So, yes, without Martz expect the sack numbers to go down, but don’t expect the line to suddenly learn how to pass block. They are bad, even accounting for the Mike Martz factor.
so they will give up less sacks or at least should
when martz left san fran or Detroit did those lines learn how to pass block?
One thing Martz refused to do was use the strengths of the team
The current O-line is a pretty athletic one, and Jay seems to like roll-outs. Yet Martz refused to move the pocket. I think that just adding that wrinkle will help. I never said that the line was good. I believe that they are average. But with another year in the system, getting some more reps at their spot (only Williams was starting in a spot that he had started in previously), and changing how the game is called will help. I don’t think they need to use a 1st round pick on a LT. WR is a much bigger concern. Even if they go out and get a #1 receiver, I still believe that they need another young guy to occupy the #2 spot. I also wonder if Tice will consider moving Carimi to LT and keeping Louis at RT.
by Digs D-League on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I see Martin being the best pick
for this mock draft. His pass blocking would solidify this OLine and make it the envy of the league for years.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
At this point mocking is merely an exercise in futility...
…a huge amount of who will be chosen depends on what happens in FA, who are new GM is, how guys perform at the combine and maybe most importantly how the draft falls.
While fun to think about, everything has to be put into a bigger framework. My hope (and guess) is the Bears will use some of their cap space to bring in a big name WR, which will push WR down their board as a need, unless they like Floyd, Floyd falls to them, and they don’t see someone like Martin or Upshaw or Kirkpatrick that they may now value more.
As always, none of the moves are done in a vacuum. Assuming we pick up no one of note in FA… and using average mock draft position as a guide… I would have no problem with Floyd as the pick (despite my dislike for ND).
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