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The Chicago Bears DO NOT need a big wide receiver.

Dude, you're short.

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now, and since I have the forum to vent a little and a few minutes of down time at work today, I figured now is as good a time as any to throw this out there. The wide receiver situation in Chicago has been amiss for a number of years now, and by amiss I of course mean, one of the worst receiving corps in all of football. The Bears bring in a franchise type quarterback in Jay Cutler and fail to surround him with the proper talent to take advantage of his skills. The wide-out position has been a HOT topic on WCG with almost daily discussion on the subject. And in 99.9% of those threads someone brings up that the Bears need a big, giant, lanky, tall, sizable, sky-scraping, statuesque, or towering target for Jay Sizzle to throw to. And I say poppycock to that.

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I can already see the comment thread filling up with those that want to argue their point. Both camps will be represented, the aforementioned "we want a big target" camp, and then there will be those that pull out their lists of successful 6' and under receivers. Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Percy Harvin, Victor Cruz, Greg Jennings, Reggie Wayne, just to get you started...

They'll also be those that think I'm ridiculous for even throwing this title out there, some may even question my football I.Q., and then some may read the entire post and see me bring my point home. I don't think the Bears need a big wide receiver, I think they need a good wide receiver. Well actually two good wide receivers, and if the good wide outs they acquire happen to be tall, that's just gravy. But titling this post 'The Chicago Bears need a good wide receiver' would have been boring.

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we need a couple of WR's who will catch the ball!

When Roy Williams has the highest catch rate on your team you know your in big trouble.

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Yep.

I’ll take good…or even above average at this point. Must have great hands and be able to get separation at the line and when the ball is in the air.

by Mike Mueller on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

and he was still catching it more often than the other guys

that is the scary thing.

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by ed_brown on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree. I'll gladly take another Earl Bennet, with a little more speed.

I don’t want to hear about how great a receiver looks in the shower, I want someone who can play the position, and that means runs good routes, catches what he touches, and blocks downfield. Too many tall receivers fall short in one or more of these categories. A guy’s speed in the open field doesn’t mean squat if the ball is on the ground or worse, in a defenser’s hands headed in the other direction.

by BigGeorgeTX on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

I agree

While size is great, route running, physicality, awareness and hands are better traits

by Joeb'n777 on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

Megatron.

Cutler could go crazy if we had a Megatron.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Hanie would have done well with Megatron

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by parkernutws05 on Jan 25, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

If he didn’t pull a McNabb and toss it in the dirt.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

New Orleans receiving corps.

are not exactly skyscrapers. Neither are the Packers’, but they don’t drop many passes. Some QBs just have a way of making receivers better. Jay needs receivers that make the QB better.

by Big Ike on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

Exception here!

The last Pack playoff game I was watching, had that stellar recieving corps drop an unusual amount of drive killing passes!

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by pbanachi on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Midgets, all of ’em.

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by Spongie on Jan 25, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

blasphemy

Rabble rabble!

by beartopia on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

And with this, Les officially joins the George Carlin Memorial

“This is a List of Things That Are Pissing Me Off” club. Awesome.

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now,

And I may or may not be cosigning this article.

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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

The only reason some of us want a bigger type WR is ....

….. because we already have the smaller WR with one type of skill set . Also a bigger WR would give Jay a little more room for error on his throws & a larger target in general . But thats just my two cents .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

Thats my feeling

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 25, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Bigger isn't Better.

I totally agree with you on that one… Getting a big, 6’4 WR isn’t a huge priority. Getting a guy who can get separation and hold onto freaking ball. Now that’s important.

Size can inherently improve the ability to get separation, but it’s not the only way.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 25, 2012 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

But it's a really GOOD way.

That being said….the most important thing about a receiver is that he catches the d*mn ball

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I mean… You look at Marques Colston… He’s not supremely physically imposing, he’s not 6’4… He’s not Brandon Marshall. But he’s a solid pass catcher.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll play devil's advocate just for humor's sake...

While I will grant you that you don’t necessarily need a big wide receiver most successful team have a big target. Greenbay has Finnely, New York has Nicks, etc. We may already have said big target in Davis but….

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

SIGN YAO MING!

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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Poor hand eye coordination... bad foot...

Shaq?

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad back

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

YAO MING

IS TALLER! TALL IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

bang the drum...

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

If we are going there...

I vote we bring Andre the Giant back as a zombie to be our LT.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

love to see Andre work a boy named Suh

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Somehow I don't see Suh being much of a problem for Zombie Andre.

Though Andre might get cranky when he finds Suh’s brain being two sizes too small for his size.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Stick him right behind the line

on 50+ yard field goals.

Actually, I just had the thought to put Tyrus Thomas in front of the field goal post on long field goals. He could probably swat a couple away over the course of the season. Worth a roster spot imo.

by YaoPau on Jan 25, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Only if he is fitted with some cyborg legs

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 25, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Big isn't necessary.

I want a guy that can…

Run his routes correctly.
Catch the ball when it hits him on the hands, chest, stomach, or helmet. Also, no 5-hole shenanigans (SANZ!!!)
Not get blown off his routes by physical corners.

I don’t think that’s too much to ask, is it?

by Doshi on Jan 25, 2012 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

Size matters...

(TWSS)
I agree that the Bears need a good WR, not a big WR. But watching the last two years of Bears offense made me realize that our current corps of receivers lack the ability to play through (or around) a physical corner. One of the reasons that a big receiver is appealing is the Bears’ need for recievers to block on running plays, but the bigger need is for them to be able to play through contact at the line. Also, Cutler’s history points to his preference for a “go up and get it” receiver that will fight for a ball (and win).
I hope that no one is arguing for a mediocre, but physically large receiver. But I admit that I am hoping for a BIG (in size and ability and production) receiver. However, since we all know “it’s not the size of the stick, it’s the magic in the wand,” I’d take any of your “small” receivers in a heartbeat – I just want some “magic!” I’m pretty sure that if you ask any female, the best combo would include both…

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by NormalFan on Jan 25, 2012 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

just about to post something similar

All WR skillsets being equal between a small and big receiver, i’d prefer a big receiver. The go up and get it guy is one the Bears lack. Can’t remember the last time I saw one of our WR just beat the CB on a ball. Marcus Robinson maybe?

by obanddoug on Jan 25, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think when you hear Bears fans saying they want a big wide receiver

what they really mean is they want Calvin Johnson to play WR for the Chicago Bears. And I get that – I want that, too. But it ain’t happening. Les is right – we need a good receiver before we need a tall one.

by NorthSideBearsFan on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Can't agree more

Getting a good or great WR should be the Bears focus; don’t target a tall, big pass catcher just for kicks and giggles. If he happens to have larger dimensions (Vjax or Bowe) then that will be the icing on top. I love your usage of “poppycock.”

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by propheteer on Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I flipped a coin

and balderdash lost

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It was, but we're no longer comparing Apples to Apples here...

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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m SORRY, but all this talk and TRIVIAL PURSUIT of a big WR has left my mind in a BOGGLE, and now I don’t have a CLUE what I was going to say, oh yeah, we need to improve our LT and WR positions or Green Bay will have a MONOPOLY on this division, I don’t want to take the RISK on drafting a WR with the 19th pick, we should address that via FA, a true #1 WR looking for a PAYDAY, someone like Colston, Bowe, or V JAX would really help the OPERATION of this teams offense. Okay, I’ll go get a LIFE now.

Fix the Offensive Line

by touchdown bears on Jan 25, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

... What an Outburst...

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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

FA WRs

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html

Out of these guys, I would prefer to see V Jackson, Bowe, Colston, and S Johnson in a Bears uniform before the other guys. Better fit for Cutler and better fit based on what we already have on our roster, in my opinion.

by obanddoug on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

Not enough $

Based on the cap numbers posted here last week, the bears probably have enough $ for one top end WR, and that’s it (barring Hester or Bennett getting cut).

I would much rather see Colston than Bowe.

by Th3T1ck on Jan 25, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Bennett just signed a 4 year extension he ain’t going anywhere, I’d like to see how he’d be with a true #1 WR on the field with him

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by touchdown bears on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Hands, route running, separation ability

1a, 1b, 1c
now, a bigger, athletic target is easier to hit/can make plays in jump-ball situations
but u ever notice how, if Cutty’s in trouble, he looks Earl’s way 9/10 times?
we need a guy like that…on the other side

by BOBdaBEAR on Jan 25, 2012 1:29 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Those are the 3 most important things I look at when looking at a receiver.

Physicality HELPS create separation, but it isn’t a primary statistic in and of itself.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Jan 25, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

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by suckmyditka on Jan 25, 2012 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind a new receiver that was both good and big...

but when i say big, I don’t necessarily care if the guy is 6’4 I’d be happy with 6’2 and beastly. That said, I was really hoping the Bears could land Santana Moss or Steve Smith last year. I’d take anyone who can fight for the ball in the air. Actually I’d love a WR that would fight through coverage on slants and make the catch…(looking at you Mr. Knox.)

by timoteo1312 on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 PM CST reply actions  

I think we should just keep converting DBs...

until we strike gold. Then we can be all like, told ya so!!!

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by David Taylor on Jan 25, 2012 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

nice...

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we should convert Omiyale to FB

He can definitely open up some holes.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

big receiver?

how about a speed guy with great hands AND a TE how can run the seam and get open…oh wait, we traded him away!!! good riddance JA

by bigdogcl on Jan 25, 2012 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

Olsen was average at best .....

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 25, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Olsen

speed guy? bahaha dude had cement in his shoes

by TR MacReady on Jan 25, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You do realize olsen runs a 4.5 forty, right?

That is fast for most receivers, let alone 6’5" 260 pound tight ends.

Olsen put up average numbers in an offense that didnt even use a tight end his first year in the martzfense, but he was a very good target for newton (along with smith and shockey) and a big reason why the guy was shattering rookie records.

by lopey986 on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

who cares what he runs in gym shorts and track shoes. on the field he sure as hell didnt run a 4.5.

by TR MacReady on Jan 25, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Smith and Shockey were bigger reasons.

If you watched some of Carolin’s games, most of Olsen’s contributions came in garbage time. Otherwise he was covered/neutralized by the same LB’s he was supposed to burn all game long.

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by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought he meant a speed guy to go with Olsen

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as they are a good player who catches the ball and get separation from DBs

Size wouldn’t matter to me. We need a playmaker, period. Earl Bennett is decent, but not as good as the true top 10 receivers in the NFL. If we can get Cutler a dependable target, then all is good.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 25, 2012 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Hey. I like gravy.

And I want my gravy, I may not need gravy on everything, But I want it on everything… especially meatballs. And just like gravy, with a big WR; I might not need it, but I sure do want it and I remain convinced this dish would be best served with an extra side of gravy.

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by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

excellent ...

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have a TE of size than a WR

ala New Orleans, New England and the like. However, I fully agree that football smarts and ability to catch the big brown thing are more important than just size.

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by TheotherDane on Jan 25, 2012 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

He didn't do much under Turner either

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. Height in a receiver is all relative.

Who says someone’s a better receiver just because he’s taller? I don’t care if the dude is four feet tall, if he can catch what Cutty throws at him, that’s all that matters.

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by Jessica312 on Jan 25, 2012 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

I'd rather have a guy that can fight for the ball

over just a tall guy…but for the love of god we need someone that can go up and get it

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by ThorCo on Jan 25, 2012 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

Disagreeing on some aspects.

Ability to separate and ability to run correct routes all all important, but size gives you a couple of things the Bears have sorely missed the last few years.

1) The ability to throw fade routes and red zone jump balls is nonexistent for the Bears. Part of that is the fact that without a guy to beat the defense vertically in the physical sense, your throws have to be perfect if you want to throw an out or a fade.

2) Part of the art of passing is putting the ball where only your guy can get it. It’s a lot easier if your receiver has four or five inches on the DB covering him.

Yes, you’d rather have route running and hands over just size. But that hasn’t been an either/or choice in the NFL for years now, and pretending it is won’t make the Bears better.

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by NobodySpecial on Jan 25, 2012 2:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Stop pretending like you have a job!
a few minutes of down time at work today

What job allows you to uses their computers to type a whole article on a sports blog?lol

retaeluos

by BloodHorn on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

If you're self-employed?

Or if you’re able to put it together whenever you get a couple moments?

It’s not like he just sits there and goes “How can I be unproductive today…”

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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

and you wonder why the McCaskey's are so cheap

cuz you don’t even get what you pay for.

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

If I was working for the McCaskeys....

The GM position would already be filled….

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by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

or you might forget to do that

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

Pretty sure I could find the Steelers Draft Rooms Wastebasket to fill in as GM.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

shhh

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait so your telling us

that the bears shouldnt get a big tall wr who stinks at football? ohh ok

i was under the impression when ppl said the bears need a big wr they assume said tall wr has good hands, routes, etc. i dont think anyone said being tall was more important than these other attributes

i agree they need at least two wrs of higher quality be it tall or short.

by TR MacReady on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

Yep... that is exactly what I'm saying...

And you must not have been paying attention to the message boards or to Chicago talk radio, because a big target is many times the #1 attribute that they seek. All the other stuff, route running, hands, technique, can be coached up…

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

In 90 percent of cases, QBs make receivers; this is not difficult

Get an offensive line, and the quarterback play will be better. Who the hell was Victor Cruz? Who was Deion Branch? Did anybody look at the Saints’ receiving corps and say “Wow, that guy is a stud.” when they were picked up? What about Jordy Nelson?

Don’t need to waste a high pick on a receiver (man, that Julio Jones sure was the difference between the Falcons getting waxed in the divisional round and… getting waxed in the wild card round while getting shut out); getting the best offensive line we can should be the priority.

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by ES46NE10 on Jan 25, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

we have a qb!

hes not makin knox or hester into legit wrs. no why? because they are not good. if your telling me julio jones on our team wouldnt have made an impact then i dont know what to say

by TR MacReady on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

That if Jay had time to throw the ball, the receivers would look better.

I don’t necessarily agree, but that’s the point that’s being made.

For the record, I think our receivers are the muddled middle. They aren’t great, but they would be greatly improved by a very good receiver or two. Knox being covered by a nickle would make him look a lot better.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 25, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What Timothy Hockemeyer said

is part of it, in my opinion and at least the one that I thought was conveyed in ES46NE10’s post is that all else being equal, between a crappy O-Line and a crappy WR core, upgrades to the O-Line will be more impactful.

Is that to say our WRs COULDN’T be upgraded? No, just that one still probably takes priority over the other, as they are both areas of big weakness.

by Basketball on Jan 26, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

to be fair...

cruz and branch know how to get open. granted, i think an improved o-line will make a world of a difference for our WRs, but the WRs you mention are legit, not just a product of their QB.

by guy incognito on Jan 25, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting point

I think there’s some truth to it, although it’s not like those elite QBs don’t have talented options. Jennings and Jordy were 2nd round picks, and Jermichael is an obvious freak. Nicks was a 1st rounder, Manningham was a 3rd. Robert Meachem was a 1st rounder and Brees didn’t do much for him, Jimmy Graham is an obvious freak, and Sproles/Reggie Bush played a lot of wideout and we knew they were talented.

Compare that to the Bears, who are trotting out a 3rd rounder in Bennett who was hurt half the year, a 5th rounder in Knox, a free agent wash out in Roy Williams, a converted DB in Hester, a UDFA in Sanzenbacher, a 5th rounder in Kellen Davis… that’s an entirely different level of crap. And the Bears play on an awful field, often in cold weather and snow. I don’t think this is a situation where better oline play turns these no-name WRs into stars.

by YaoPau on Jan 25, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The issue I have with your sub 6 foot receiver list is

4 of those guys have a top 5 qb throwing to them. (harvin and smith don’t, but look what smith did with a bump in talent from clausen to newton).

The reason I’m not interested in someone like Vincent Jackson or Marques colston is that they are catching passes from legit qb’s. Cutler is very good and I think those guys would do fine in Chicago, but I think a guy like Dwayne Bowe or Brandon Marshall would light it up in Chicago. They’ve proved they can perform while playing for crap qb’s and playing with a top 10 qb will elevate their game even higher.

by lopey986 on Jan 25, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Bigger receivers

Get separation easier, and fight of press and mam coverages easier

by TheGreatGrabowski on Jan 25, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Even when the line was playing better

Knox always falls down, Hester don’t get open, and Roy can’t catch the big brown thing.

by TheGreatGrabowski on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

We just need a wide receiver who knows what "Stick-Um" is for.

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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 25, 2012 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

now days the gloves are better than the stick-um was back in the day

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Mcnutt from Iowa, Sanu from Rutgers and Jones from North Carolina

should fit the team quite well. I would take these guys over Floyd…

by Bear72 on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't.

There’s a reason that the every scout, every big board and every mock out there has Floyd graded higher. Nothing is guaranteed, but Floyd has all the tools.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 25, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Since Floyd most likely won't be on the Board

we need to look at all options. Though frankly I would like another OLineman.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Not true . His draft stock is falling ....

…. due to his injury and inability to play at the Senior Bowl . Coupled with Kendall Wright making a strong push for first round contention along with Mo Sanu , Ruben Randle & Dwight Jones . So its plausable Floyd could be there for the picking .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

No, not necessarily....

Draftek ’s consensus big board has him at the #6 pick to Washington and their Big Board (revised on the 23rd) has him at #9. New Era Scouting has him going 15th to the Eagles and have him listed as 12th overall on their big board (revised on the 23rd). Walter Football has him going 16th to the Jets (revised yesterday). These are three of the most respected big boards on the net.

I can’t find any of the serious boards dropping him. It’s true that Wright is moving up (for now) but it hasn’t really affected Floyd much. His accent hasn’t made Floyd a worse player, in other words.

Mel Kiper has him falling to us, And while I’ve never taken Kiper seriously, he is a legitimate name. He correctly picked nine of the 32 first round picks last season, so that shows you how accurate all of this is, anyways. (and I don’t mean that as a slam on Kiper. Correctly picking nine picks in the first is pretty damned good, to be honest. Our staff Mock only had 5 picks correct, for example)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

This thing just popped up from a Brandon Marshall interview

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/37874/brandon-marshall-on-reuniting-with-cutler

“It’s hard to find that and sometimes it’s once in a lifetime,” Marshall said, "…when you take two guys and put them on the field together and they have that chemistry, that’s what’s almost impossible to find. I can’t explain it. That’s why I said it’s almost painful to think about.

“We’ll line up there and we’ll get a coverage and he will just look at me and I’ll know exactly where he wants to adjust my route. You don’t find that. It got to a point where coaches, they didn’t know what we were doing so we’ll install a whole play and they’ll give us a play on the front side and put me on the back side and they’ll tell us just do what you all do and just make it work. We had a lot of freedom in our offense, and we made it work and chemistry was great. It was something special.”

So, yeah. Finding someone he could do that with would be awesome.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 25, 2012 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

That would be awesome.

I can also imagine that Martz might have had idealogical differences with this sort of idea. I also like how you just brought Brandon Marshall into this particular thread. Good gravy, that’s some great size for the WR position right there, eh?

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by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 25, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

We DO need a talented receiver with height.

We have smaller guys who are somewhat skilled but NONE of them put the fear in opposing CBs. The Hester experiment at WR has NOT worked and who knows if Johnny will ever be the same after having his spine destroyed so in my mind we should pick up a veteran WR and draft a WR. We need to start becoming physically imposing on offense like we are on defense. Jay knows how to work with big receivers, why not give him a talented one (or two) and see what happens? I say this should be a huge priority this off-season right next to CB and LT.

by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 25, 2012 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

Relax.

The wide receiver position in the NFL has been over rated for years. We DON’T need jackasses like Ocho Cinco. What we do need is to go Moneyball on this position. Lose losers like Roy Williams and pick up two good receivers that are similar to and compliment Johnny Knox and one of those should be a good tight end.

by thanantos on Jan 25, 2012 6:19 PM CST reply actions  

we need a couple of legitimate WR's not incomplete ones like Johnny Knox.

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by ed_brown on Jan 25, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You're wrong...

The Bears need a tall receiver at TE to say the least. The neglect of the TE position is obvious. Davis is not very good at blocking or receiving. And Speath is just not a very good receiver. I’m all for the Bears getting quality WRs over just tall ones, but getting the TE position right may go a very long way toward improving the WR corps in general. So if the Bears can find a quality TE, then you are correct in your provocative statement.

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by LostInSTL on Jan 25, 2012 8:09 PM CST reply actions  

I find it hilarious that if you go to any other thread about WRs.....

You get the exact opposite response. I’d be willing to bet that while the majority of the responses here have been in agreement, you could go to the other WR posts and see many of these same commentors responding differently.

And I disagree. Funny enough, if you look at the top receivers around the league, the majority of them are 6’0" tall and over. Is it the only reason they are good? Nope. But having great hands alone doesn’t make a receiver good either. It’s a tool, and one that is relatively important in this league.

Can receivers get by without height? Sure. Wes Welker is 5’9"….and he’s the exception, not the rule. There are a few others. Steve Smith is 5’9". But, if that’s normal, then why is Smith’s height so frequently part of the story? Or Welker’s?

Meanwhile, the leagues best receiving corps feature taller receivers. Sure, Greg Jennings is 5’11", but GBs leading receiver was 6’3" Jordy Nelson, not to mention that the Packers consider Finley a WR at the TE spot.

Marques Colston is 6’4". The Lions feature 6’5" Calvin Johnson. Cruz, Hicks and Manningham are all 6’0". Roddy White is 6’0" and Julio Jones is 6’2". Houston has Andre Johnson, Bryant Johnson and Kevin Walter, all 6’3" and Jacoby Jones who is 6’2. The Cards’ Larry Fitzgerald is 6’3". All four of the Colts leading receivers are 6’0".

I agree that being good is the most important factor. But I disagree that the Bears don’t need larger targets for Cutler. There are enough speedy 5’11" receivers in Chicago. It would be nice to have a 6’3" guy who can take the heat off of them and catch the tough balls in traffic.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 25, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

And, BTW, I don't think you're an idiot or that you were hit inthe head with a rock or anything.

I just disagree….to a point. I think you took a smart idea and drew it out too far. Good is the most important quality. And there are good small receivers. But the vast majority of the league best are 6’0" tall or more. And the team could certainly use a Marques Colston type.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 25, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of the NO fans would be glad to send him our way.

Many of them say he can’t catch the important balls when the game is on the line.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 25, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

And those would be the dumb ones.

the guy had two drops this season total and led the league in percentage of passes caught by anyone with 50 or more receptions. And of the 108 targets thrown his way only one was intercepted.

And that’s just the regular season. In the post season he caught 16 of his 19 targets. He was a perfect 7 of 7 against the Lions and caught nine of 12 passes against the 49ers.

Taking one drop in a playoff game, especially in a week following a perfect playoff game performance and turning that into a problem is ridiculous and I aboslutely hope the Saints FO feels the same way as the fans you’re quoting. I’d absolutely love to see Colston in a Bears Jersey and I’m pretty sure that 32 out of 32 teams would like Colston on their squad.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2012 6:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Funny enough, Colston, Graham and Sproles all recorded a drop in that game.

Seems odd coming out of that group that so many had drops on the same day, doesn’t it? Doesn’t actually have anything to do with our conversation, but I just thought it was interesting when I saw it.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 26, 2012 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, then we do agree... because my point was exactly what you said
Good is the most important quality.

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Good trumps tall

however good and tall would be best…

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

need depth and big play at wr position

people are crazy to think that the bears could not use a big play reciever. and would settle for another earl bennet. no what i would do is trade the 3rd round pick to miami get brandon marshall, use the 1st rd pick on another big receiver to develope along side of marshall and bennet. then you would have a core nucleus of cutler, forte,bennett, marshall, and the new wr.then i would feel comfortable going up against green bay, and new orleans.

by Romey Rome on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

If we had 4 first round picks, I'd agree with you.

But this team has so many needs … LT, LG, C … DE #2, CB #2, DT #2 … and even an ILB to replace Urlacher in a year or two.

Spending the first and third round picks on the WR position is a luxury they can’t afford. If there’s a way to upgrade with one draft pick (taking a guy, or trading for someone like Marshall) then do it, but get the rest of the upgrade through free agency. We have got to draft a lineman or two early, for both sides of the ball.

by Orval Overall on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

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