The Bears Den: January 26, 2012
by Pete Dixon on Jan 26, 2012 7:01 AM CST
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"...where we're the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL."
Mike Tice is all about putting players in position to succeed Biggs: Chicago Bears new offensive coordinator vows changes to fit the strengths of his personnel. Yes, those were angels that you just heard.
Bears need wideouts, but they can be hard to project Mark Potash says that finding a difference-making wide receiver is tricky.
Jay Cutler is missing the extra ‘something’ best QBs have Telander: It takes something special to be a Super Bowl quarterback — one with a good chance to win, that is — and besides skill, good luck and a lack of injuries, it has to do with that intangible that simply can be labeled ‘‘Leader.’’ Does Cutler have the 'it' factor?
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if by it
you mean one of the best defenses of all time and an amazing run game then yes, he had “it”
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The "it" Cutler does not have are a couple of true WRs
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 26, 2012 7:41 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
Without reading the article above, I feel like everytime someone writes on the "Cutler/Leadership" subject, it is for one of two reasons:
1. They are running low on material OR
2. They find his demeanor unsuitable, and value their own opinions and observations more than they value those players who would attest to his leadership….(I.e. Brian Urlacher, more recently Brandon Marshall)
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And clearly I self-edited those two reasons.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Phones are frustrating.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I can't stand the SBnation app myself.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
mine rarely works
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Its quite obvious that we need receivers of any shape/size as long as they have talent
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
As long as they can....you know....CATCH the football.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
That big brown thing can be scary I've heard.
"And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed."
by TheotherDane on Jan 26, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, over at Walterfootball mock draft.
They have us
1 – Mike Adams – OT
2 – Nick Toon – WR
3 – Kirk Cousins – QB
3 – Coryell Judie – CB
Not bad, but here what I was thinking. in the third, Marvin Mcnutt is still available. I know we need a back up QB, but what if we pass him up and get Mcnutt? then we have Toon and Mcnutt!
Just a thought. We do need a Backup, but we also need weapons for Cutty…… and his back up.
Prov 6: 21 - 22
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Here are my thoughts on each pick:
1) Mike Adams would be a reach at 19th overall. He’s more suited to play RT in the NFL, and we already have a 1st rounder playing RT in Gabe Carimi.
2) Nick Toon would be a nice pick here. So I have no problems with this selection.
3) Kirk Cousins….why are we taking a QB here? Josh McCown has earned a crack as the #2, and we’ve spent a pick on Enderle last year. No thanks.
3) Coryell Judie, I haven’t watched too much film on him, but for the most part I’m fine with this pick.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
On Adams...
I think he’s got the ability to play left… but he’s still raw. That said: When is having too many good tackle prospects a bad thing?
Nick Toon is a perfect pick at #2, but #3? I’m just… Flabbergasted. It’s a deep qb draft… and I don’t think he’s the best player on the board at the time our #3, 1st pick comes around, maybe our second pick… but the first one? No way.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 26, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
He's a higher round, better schooled version of Webb. Apparently though, Tice is comfortable with Webb moving forward.
Do I think he is a guy moving forward? Yes, I do unless some miracle happens and an elite first-round draft pick that we couldn’t pass up fell in our lap, which I doubt. Yeah, he’s our guy moving forward."
What I’m wondering is why they don’t move Carimi to LT. Now I know his build and traits are more suited to the right side but my train of thought is since Tice is going to emphasize a more run-based offense, Carimi would actually be pretty good at LT since he’s a beast in the run game and solid in pass protection. And since he was put on IR he really isn’t all that more experienced at RT.
Also doesn’t Toon have some injury concerns? I think if they’re going receiver in the 2nd they might be able to land McNutt, Quick, maybe Dwight Jones or maybe Marvin Jones depending on how he does at the Combine.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 26, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
this could work
but Webb took almost all snaps last year at LT
give him at LEAST the preseason to prove he can be the man there for the next 10 years…
I go back and forth on Webb.
Cons: all those penalties and sacks tells me he’s just not that good.
Pros: 7th rounder thrown into the fire, did OK. Has the physical build, strength, athleticism to become good. 1st real off-season didn’t exist because of the lockout. Maybe a whole off-season working daily, weekly with the coaches & Bears strength coach (who knows what his off-season work habits were away from Halas Hall) and maybe he can build on his 2 years of experience and make “the leap”. Multiple mini-camps, OTAs, etc where he’s the LT can only help right?
Tice believes in him, let’s hope he & the rest can properly motivate him the coming months.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see him stopping the Aldon Smith's of the world though
Or even an aging Jared Allen if the game really matters.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I only go back on Webb. As in, can we have our 7th round pick back?
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Tice will not move Carimi (back) to LT
Because he ultimately feels Carimi is a RT in the NFL. And, Tice may have a fair assessment of Webb, whether we may like it or not:
“Here is what I saw with him: Second-year player playing one side one year and one side another,” Tice said. "I thought he was adequate. His consistency grade was actually solid. What grade was bad was the critical errors, the sacks, penalties.
“… Well, if you’re not always in the deep drops, if you’re making sure the guy gets chip help from a back or a tight end and if you change the release point of the quarterback, you’re going to make him better already without making him better.
“And then you have an entire offseason (with) a chance to make him better there. He is a very good run blocker. Do I think he is a guy moving forward? Yes, I do unless some miracle happens and an elite first-round draft pick that we couldn’t pass up fell in our lap, which I doubt. Yeah, he’s our guy moving forward.”
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet that more than half the sacks he allowed
could have been avoided by either a chip or by not dropping 7 steps
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
That
Or by allowing Cutler to audible as well as calling far more plays that place Cutler in different launch points.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
LB, CB and DE all lined up on the left...
5 RECEIVER SET WITH A SEVEN STEP DROP AND DEEP ROUTES
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I'm torn on this
Clearly, the Bears didn’t make the playoffs cause their backup QB was inadequate. I’m somewhat a believer in bringing in talent almost every year at QB. You never know when Cutler will go down again, and they need to take lessons from other teams like GB and NE. Keep on throwing picks at the wall until something sticks.
I think they’ll address WR in free-agency as well as drafting a prospect. It would give them some leverage in the draft to select a signal caller early on.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
I don't know about Nick Toon. I think if we are going to take WR's in the second round and beyond, there is better talent to be had.
Marvin McNutt, Quick (of Appalachian St.) come to mind.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Nick Toon is really good.
And not just a really good name.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 26, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Cutler to Ren and Stimp- er NICK TOON TOUCHDOWN!!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Don't be a dope.
Being a meatball not only makes me delicious, but it also makes me all warm inside.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
his Dad was real good
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
There are two "it's" Cutler doesn't have
A dependable receiving corp or a dependable O-Line. And even with those two units he had this season, he made plays no other QB could make. I’m rather fet up with people drinking the Cutler brand haterade, it’s complete nonsense.
Meanwhile, anyone else around here reminded of the fabled OC search of 2010 when looking at the Bucs’ HC search of today?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 8:04 AM CST reply actions
Rick Telander is a clown.
Every once in a while journalists around here author articles that make your jaw drop and then wonder how someone can be so stupid to come up with something so nonsensical and ridiculous. Yesterday it was Rick Telander. Even deadspin called his dumb ass out.
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Jan 26, 2012 8:26 AM CST reply actions
Seriously
he complains about the tabloid coverage of Cutler, like he’s attracting the attention on puropse, then proccedes to explain the last year in detail like TMZ….I have a simple solution…if you don’t like celebrety news, stop reading people, Us Weekly and watching TMZ
Problem solved Telander
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I'm grown so accustomed to the stupid criticisms of Cutler that come around every 2-3 months about girlfriend choices (Telander, Bayless), demeanor (everyone ever), personality, and leadership skills (Telander/Pompei) that I am numb to them.
“There’s nothing to write about? Let’s just do a leadership piece on Cutler, that will ruffle some feathers.”
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Deadspin got it right.
Except for the the Bears “were 6-2 before Cutler’s season-ending thumb injury in 2011.” Record was 7-3 by my count.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
by Bearsh!tt!n on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Patriots director of player personnel Jason Licht is scheduled to interview in Chicago today for Bears GM job – second interview with Bears.
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And on top of that
Phil Emery is to have his second interview tomorrow according to ESPN
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I like Mike Tice
I know it’s hard to like a former Viking, but the dude is a sraight-shooter, no BS guy who is really funny and gets kind of sarcastic and jokes with the media a lot.
He passes the beer test; He’s a guy I could see myself going and getting a few beers with at the bar. I can’t say that about Lovie, maybe Hot Rod and Toub though…
...because Cutty does it.
by Sam Householder on Jan 26, 2012 8:48 AM CST reply actions
Well put.
I got practically giddy reading that story.
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
If Lovie Drinks beer.
I’d have one with him without hesitation…
Mike Tice though? Dude would be my first choice to grab a beer with on the coaching staff.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
It's not ever going to go away, apparently. EVERRRR
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Should I even bother to write a post about Telander
Or have I defended Cutler enough that people are sick of reading about it?
Plus there are two other articles in the Den defending Cutler. So what do you all think should I do it or no?
...because Cutty does it.
by Sam Householder on Jan 26, 2012 9:12 AM CST reply actions
Do it.
Telander has so many holes in his argument… Check out the Deadspin article that made fun of it too
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Jay should text Telander a pic of his junk with the caption:
“I got ‘it’ right here, buddy.”
"More cowbell" - Bruce Dickinson; "More bell cow" - Lovie Smith
Or have I defended Cutler enough that people are sick of reading about it?
You and everyone else with have a brain grow tired of such logicless thought, but I am always good for a good Cutler-Basher-Bashing.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I think Tice has "it" figured out
- audibles and a no-huddle mode (welcome to the 21st century)
- keeping the QB upright
- running the ball
- our receivers are good w/ ball in hands. get it to ’em
Yep
I loved reading that article. Jay needs more power to check off, down, and change the play if he see’s an advantage.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Read this comment over at pft about Tice tailoring the offense around Cutler's strength's and I thought it was amusing
Translation: Our offense isn’t designed to eventually draw involuntary manslaughter charges against the offensive coordinator.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 26, 2012 9:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
if tbe bears take at least 2 wr and 2 olinemen coupled with some cb,lb,dl picks ill be happy
by beartopia on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Pass on WR if 1st
go CB or OL. Then WR with two of the 2nd/ 3rd. I’m just not a buyer in Floyd and I’d rather spread the risk while creating some competition.
by Shoulders2733 on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
God, not this again
Telander bases an entire story on one unattributed source who is butt-hurt because Cutler forgot to smile at him. Actually unattributed sources have said, and I quote. “As a sports writer, Telander blows goats.”
Unfortunately I cannot reveal who is responsible for this quote.
by Corncob Justice on Jan 26, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply actions
I'm okay with you revealing my identity.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 26, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
a grounds keeper at soldier field no doubt
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
You know what's really starting to anger me about this coaching search?
The fact that we arent looking for a new WR’s coach. There is no reason that Daryll Drake should still be employed by this team. The only conceivable reason I can come up with as to why he still has a job is because like Lovie he is a Texas man and therefore one of Lovie’s boys. This in turn makes me even angrier.
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Besides not having any receivers worth a damn, what didn't Drake do?
It’s not like the Bears castoff WRs are going elsewhere and blossoming…
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
This is true, but
While he is just a position coach I would think that he has at least some sort of say in the WR’s they draft. It was apparent last year that Mike Tice had a hand in scouting O-Linemen. If this is true then he has absolutely failed in this area.
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 26, 2012 2:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, I can remember
Rod Marnelli and i believe it was John Hoke conducting private workouts to evaluate prospects. So as I said, I cant imagine that Drake hasn’t had a hand in the drafting of these crap receivers.
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 26, 2012 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jerry would have drafted better WR's if Drake wasn't around?
seems doubtful.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Jerry hated Darryl Drake
Darryl once dated Jerry’s sister. Things actually got quite serious and finally Drake proposed. She accepted. Drake actually asked Jerry to be one of his groomsman. Jerry gladly accepted. Then the day of the wedding drew near. Rumor has is that the bride got cold feet and called the wedding off but the insiders know that Drake had had an affair with Jerry Angelo’s other sister thus disgracing the entire Angelo family. Jerry spent the remainder of his life attempting to sabotage Darryl’s career…. Or so they say….
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Well written tale.
Better than a Telander story.
by GentlemanJack on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Lester, I respect you but let me put this to you on a different level...
Besides not drafting well over the last decade, what didn’t the Bears do? It’s not like the ENTIRE TEAM (possibly minus Cedric Benson) were going anywhere else and blossoming… Every coach was given what they were given as far as talent went. Drake has been the remaining coach over the years who has failed to do anything with his sub par talent. I know that’s an oversimplification of this situation but I think it should still be pertinent.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Unless we're in on the practices, I don't think we can talk about his teaching ability
It’s not like we can dissect his Xs and Os… You give a sculptor a pile of shit and he may be able to give you a so-so looking vase, but give him something he can work with and it can be a work of art
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 27, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I though this Cutler thing was over
If he means that Jay lacks in “star power”, then yeah, I agree. I’m not seeing him peddle cars, fast food or insurance during half time. Or condoms. Or appear on Saturday Night Live. Or if he means Jay is missing guys to catch the big brown thingy. I’d agree with that too.
Instead… I don’t get his point.
And I hope Brandon Marshall stopped teasing. I get a bit sad every time he mentions he’d like to play with Jay again. And then angry.
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