Folks Should not Be That Impressed With Tice's Recent Comments
by Kev H on Jan 26, 2012 12:58 PM CST
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The things he's had to say about the offense are nice, but all he's really doing is speaking common sense.
Have we really come to this, Bears fans?
Just a few short weeks after being promoted to the offensive coordinator position, and narrowly missing the opportunity to interview for someone else's Head Coach position, Mike Tice is already being very outspoken about how he intends to run his offense.
The only problem is that the things he's saying aren't earth-shattering...they're just common sense.
A lot of people, the Bears included, seemed to have drawn the conclusion that Mike Tice is the only real bridge between the Martzfense and the future for the Chicago Bears. While this indeed may be true, and many people clamored for him because he'd utilize the strengths of his players, it should hardly be enough to get us riled up.
Let's take a look at some of the things Tice had to say to Brad Biggs.
"The biggest strength we have is a quarterback who can make all the throws," Tice said. "We text, we talk on the phone, almost daily. Extensive texting. He's asking a lot of questions and I'm giving him straight up answers. He either likes the answers or he says, 'Oh, OK,' which means he doesn't like some of the answers.
No argument on the first part...we all knew that. Hell, everyone knew that. It's part of the reason the Broncos drafted him, and part of the reason Angelo gave up what he did to get him here. It's great to hear that they're texting and chatting and best buddies, but at the end of the day, they need to get it done. And the things they're saying they're going to do?
"I am tailoring what I am doing to what I've done, which is common sense," Tice said. "Why run it when they have one more guy than you can block? Why not throw it when you have free access and you have a guy who can beat single coverage?
"… To do that you have to have the ability to check at the line of scrimmage, you have to have the ability to have a short passing game. And then I'm a no-huddle guy and we don't have no huddle. … I want to be able to go no huddle and change the rhythm offensively."
It appears, friends, that his big plan is to utilize common sense.
These comments amount to the things that most football fans already know. If the box is stacked, audible to a hot read. Need to keep the defense on it's heels? Don't give them time to regroup. Can your line block deep drops? No? THEN DON'T MAKE THEM BLOCK DEEP DROPS.
We are at a point right now as Bears fans, where hearing people say they're going to use fundamental concepts of football makes us excited. That's not right. We should expect more from the organization, and hopefully they will develop the wherewithal to deliver soon.
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After two years of nonsense, I'm pretty ok with common sense.
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by Pete Dixon on Jan 26, 2012 1:12 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
This.
The bears offense the last 2 years has shot themselves in the foot because the playcalling was stubborn and didn’t follow common sense. I’ve said many times our offense would be good if we followed common sense.
Here’s our chance. remember how the offense this year looked when martz got reeled in and we were doing some max protect packages or doing 3 step drops? It looked great.
Well Hello Negative Nancy.....
No, actually you’re right but what can you really expect him to say at this point? No draft, no free agent moves, he can only really talk about the team in generic terms…
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
With Martz here common sense wasnt so common
So hearing Tice say it is refreshing and the bonus is we all belueve he’s gonna follow thru. Audibles no huddle etc etc werent options before so its exciting to have that back in the playbook
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by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Don't act like you're not impressed
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Audibles and no-huddle,
are absolute must-haves for any offense in today’s NFL driven by an elite QB. I think we have that QB. Let’s give him the keys. Just wish he had a better car to drive, not this one with crap tires, shotty powertrain.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 26, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
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Tice has said all the right things and made a realistic view of the roster
Some will wait to see what happens, though. But, for those interested on his view of the receiving corps, here is it as posted on my long overdue fanpost:
“If you’re going to take advantage of the box count and you’re going to get the ball to that guy with single coverage, you need a guy who is going to get open more than 90 percent of the time. We don’t have a guy who has stepped up, in my opinion, and shown us that ability. We either have to develop one who is in the building or we have to bring one in via the draft or free agency.
Bolding done, as usual, by me for importance.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 1:19 PM CST reply actions
That's cool.
Let me know when he’s in charge of personnel decisions.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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good thing is
Lovie respects Tice and will take it into consideration. Lovie also knows this is the make or break year for him. He will try to fill in the missing pieces. And we know Lovie will have some say over the draft and FA, so he’ll try to get it done.
He's the OC
He’ll have input
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I didn't say input, I said:
Let me know when he’s in charge of personnel decisions.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I don't think that was the point of ECD's comment
I think it was the fact that Tice recognizes that the Bears have a mediocre group of WRs and feels that they need to improve or be replaced.
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Well that
And it’s common sense for any GM to take what his coaching staff needs to be successful. If my OC is saying he needs a #1 WR, then you better believe I’ll take that into consideration at the least, and will act on it if my HC agrees.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 26, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
We should be impressed and are impressed.
Common sense seems to be lost on the Bears organization in a lot of areas. Starting with Jay Cutler the Bears have never put him in a great position to succeed and play to his strengths. He was a pro bowler with Denver his last year, threw for a lot of yards and TD’s. Common sense says, replicate that. The Chicago Bears, Ron Turner, and Mike Martz, said nah let’s do it differently.
Common sense would be a welcome approach to this team because for some reason the Bears like to go against the grain a lot of time.
by Soldier Field Was Ruined on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions
This
I think the key is that Tice is able to admit what he has to work with and hopefully develop a plan based on what he has rather than sticking to a strategy that does not fit the personnel. I think he won’t be trying to prove that he is some kind of genius and will just try to win, regardless of how pretty or ugly it is. That is the big difference between him and Martz.
by Hoosier Glenn on Jan 26, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
What do you want him to do exactly?
The 2011 NFL season isn’t even over yet and all he’s doing is explaining his philosophical differences in what he plans to do compared to what we saw from Martz’s offense in the past two seasons. The same things that drove us crazy appears to have driven him crazy as well. Just saying we’re going to audible and run a no-huddle is enough for me, regardless if it’s fundamental football its not the way we did business for the past two years. In the end, he’s saying enough. It’s only January anyway.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM CST reply actions
Sometimes
Common sense is hard to find. And harder to stick to.
The temptation will always be there to try to be too clever.
Amen for common sense. Finally.
What would have impressed you?
I mean, he is dealing with the media in a straight forward way. He’s giving a lot of fans what they want— a sense that he has a plan and that he’s going to do things differently from Martz.
I’m with you in withholding ultimate judgement until next September when we see the final product in action but I have no issue with him making these statements and as fan, I like what he is saying.
He's talking about not getting Cutler killed
and running an offense that will work with our players, not fit square pegs into round holes and communicating regularly with Jay about what he wants…3 things Martz never came close to doing
I’m all for common sense
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by ThorCo on Jan 26, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
What's really sad
is that in this day and age, common sense is something that should be applauded. There are a lot of stupid people out there these days.
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM CST reply actions
Mike Tice
Kev H, aren’t you being a little over critical of Mike? I think you have an opinion that you should keep to yourself. Give Mike an opportunity to sink or swim! You may be surprised by the results. Lets face it we haven’t had a dynamite offensive coordinator recently so lets give him a chance just like the others have had.
by Security Dealer on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM CST reply actions
I'm not being critical of Mike Tice.
I’m being critical of an organization that has resulted in the fanbase applauding something that other teams do as an assumed fact.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Don't we?
Geeze Ed, Lovie pulled the trigger on this one. It must be a good call.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
I am sick and tired of you taking Lovies side on everything
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Dammit Ed!
Lovie is the greatest Bears coach since Abe Gibron!! Surely you know that! Abe was a freaking saint, I swear it….
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
I met Abe
he was kinda gross actually.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Sorta "slow" too as I recall....
But that may just have been perception. Like Cutler being “pouty”.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
He was an offensive lineman
He went to Purdue which probable explains his mental slowness.
He was the Bears Offensive line coach before taking over as HC
His Olines were actually pretty good.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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if they were anywhere close to his size
I’m sure they were
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. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Mike Tice's version of Loviespeak goes over rather well
we got a guy that can make any throw, so we are going with a short passing game.
I can count and I talked to Jay and he can count, so we are always going to know how many guys they have in the box.
Webb is what I have to work with so I will work with him what choice do I have.
No huddle, no problem, my playbook is half a page long.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
he said USE a short passing game
didnt say thats all the offense would consist of. what do you want the guy to do? invent a new offense? you dont like the no huddle? weird.
nothing wrong with loviespeak its one reason why players like him. not a bad thing
you missed the point
he didn’t really say anything, Lovie never really says anything, Bill Belechik never really says anything, none of these guys do.
I’m with Kev on this one, When he does something impressive I will be impressed.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
he said they would have audibles
anyways. what could he have said that would have impressed you?
I'm not intrested in what he has to say.
I want to see an improvement on the field.
for an audible to be significant it has to work. Under Martz the Bears ripped off a 5 game winning streak averaging 32 points a game. Cutler wasn’t hurt because of the playcalling he was hurt making a takle after Knox fell down causing an INT.
He needs to show me what he’s got before Genuflect in his general direction.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
then just say
nothing any coach says you will like. the rest of like hearing these things.
lol at martzs playcalling hurting the bears. that was jaying doing what he wanted within martzs offense
Buddy... "Have you met Ed?"
He loves all our coaches unconditionally. This is new ground here.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
how about you say nothing except I told you so
when the mighty Tice offense is grinding out 40 points a game.
I can always retort that it is not Tice, it is Jay doing his thing inspite of Tice.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
ohh so you were the guy
who was upset when martz left.
by TR MacReady on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Martz was never my guy, neither was Lovie for that matter
One thing you can count on is when things don’t go right people will start looking for someone to blame. Instead of spreading the blame around to all the people who deserve some of it, they like to dump more on one person, it’s easier,simpler and more satisfying. I just think Martz gets more blamed unfairly and in this case Tice for his part is allowed to skate.
people who lie for a living know that if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it.
I also believe sports writers should be writing fiction since they are so good at it.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
ehhh
thats a fair enough point of view. i think tice knows what hes working with in the oline and will call the plays accordingly. martz refused to use what few strengths the line had. martz was in charge of playcalling so he gets most of the blame.
by TR MacReady on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
think about it
do you really think there is a secret play book out there for bad offensive lines that only the sports writers know about and football coaches who have been around forever can’t seem to find?
That offensive line was a NFL leader in having run plays stuffed for a loss.
It is not safe to pass, it is not safe to run, Martz tried his smoke and mirrors but really without improvement on the Oline can we really expect Tice to work miricles?
at least we will be able to blame Cutler now for not calling the right audible.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
If only we could find out who was responsible for that offensive line
so we could give him a promotion.
secret play book?
um how about dont leave guys out on islands. thats just off the top of my head.
by TR MacReady on Jan 27, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
ED!!! YOU'RE CYNICAL !!!
I love it. Kinda sorry to see the old you go, but…
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Mike Tice show me something. I will believe my eyes. Lets see some Bears holding the Ball up in the Endzone and doing a wide varity of silly dances.
yabadaba interview do. So far you have shown me a couple of really poor offensive lines.
lets hope your hurry-up offense isn’t hurry-up and get the Defense on the field.
Having audibles are fine, as long as you have something to audible too that works..
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
We AGREE!!!!
And on this day there was much rejoicing on WGC as two bitter old cynics took up arms as brothers and leveled their collective gazes at the"new" Bears line up of coaches and coordinators. (But, Ed, at some point, we ((shhh….(((must)…) * gasp* question…. hush ((Lovie.)))….eeeeks!! As he appears to be running this dog and pony show now. I personally think we’ll kick ass and take names next season. But if we don’t? Lovie’s dead to me.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
my personal theory is
that Jerry did something to really piss-off the McCaskey’s causing them to fire him a year earlier than they intended to.
George Halas coached for 40 years but, every ten years he would take a couple of years or so off.
I really wish I believed that we will kickass and take names next season, but it seems unlikely amidst so much change. Even i f we bring in the right players to succeed it might not happen immediately. Tice could very well come up with a more appropriate playbook and it just not work as well this year as it should.
But maybe we can get a HC next year that know how to mouth all the things we want to hear when confronted or when he confronts the press. Thats what we really want, good TV, good twits on twitter, or what ever.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Free Agent Pool at O-Line is Shallow
Just checked on possible free agents at OT and OG. It’s Carl Nicks and slim and none. That being said, was the reason that Webb looked so overmatched solely Martz’s fault with lack of help, or is he too slow to get to the edge against the best, doomed to double digit sack allowance?
If it’s the latter, many think Adams from Ohio State can play LT. He passes the eye test, and wouldn’t it be nice to have a guy who can at least get there?
well like most answers in life
it lies somewhere in between
fundamental concepts
will allow you to win games. derp derp
Well common sense is a huge upgrade over the last couple years so hell yeah we are excited
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