The Mike Tice Promotion is Doomed to Fail
That's right, I said doomed. But before you furiously type out some rant-like rebuttal in the comments section, read through my reasoning behind this. And no, it has nothing to do with me disliking Tice as the Bears' offensive coordinator. To err is human; to jump, divine.
Tice's promotion to OC is a good move for the Bears' next year, in my opinion, so don't go into this thinking I hate the decision. Keeping the terminology the same as it was (or markedly similar at least) under Martz dismisses the fear of Cutler having to learn a new offense and new terminology. Instead, Tice will cater his offense to the personnel he has, letting common sense dictate the offense instead of ego. Makes sense, and is a practical step necessary to help the offense succeed next year in finally (possibly) not sucking under Lovie.
However, I'm looking at this move in terms of how it affects the Bears' long-term, and frankly, it's a no-win situation. Look at next year for a second and there are two possible outcomes: Bears do well and Lovie gets another extension (or at least comes back lame duck style) or Bears underachieve and Lovie gets the boot. If Lovie gets canned next year, then Tice is likely gone and Cutler is learning a new offense again (I think that would make seventy-trazillion in 5 years, approximately).
If the Bears have a successful 2012 season (which all of us non-Lovie haters are openly rooting for now that Jelly's gone) or at least don't do poorly enough to get Lovie fired (yeah mediocrity!) then we're left wondering if Tice will still be with the team. He was a former head coach with the Vikings (if you recall) and made the list of interview candidates in Oakland this offseason, so it can be assumed that if Tice can right the offensive ship, he'll get more looks for head coaching gigs (and possibly not just NFL, but college as well).
Whether or not Tice is still here in 2013 depends on a lot of bigger pieces falling a particular way, but the situation the Bears are left with is in another year or two having to go through this offensive coordinator musical chairs game again. That's why this is a doomed long-term situation; even if the team does well we're going to be stuck looking for another O.C. either next year or the year after.
And that is a part of the bigger problem that many of our commentators have had with keeping Lovie and tying the hands of the incoming GM; the organization shows a willingness to make change (finally), but slowly pulls at the bandaid rather than ripping that thing clean off. Lovie staying, I understand and accept, but that move could have affected the GM search process (hard for any of us to know for sure until the rumors start coming from credible sources) and will affect the assistant coaches that we're counting on next year to turn this thing around.
Tice and Toub are practically irreplaceable coaches for Lovie for totally different reasons; Toub is superb at what he does and Tice is needed to correct the Bears' ongoing offensive issues. But keeping Lovie now may leave us in a year or two with Lovie, Hot Rod, and little else that we can have confidence in from a coaching standpoint. So even if next year is a success, look out ahead for some treacherous ground underfoot.
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But, you fail to consider Tice being named the new HC after they fire Lovie.
That cood happen.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 AM CST reply actions
oh god no
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by suckmyditka on Jan 27, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
these are not bad thoughts
but you can only plan so far into the future. the future in almost any circumstance is much much less predicitable than we would like to think.
its a good move now and who knows if tice will get another shot next offseason or the next one. you cant make decisions banking on the idea you will have the guy for 5 yrs.
This headline sure caught my attention...
but the post brings up recollections of Ron Rivera in my mind.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
Kind of seems like
you guys are doing the whole “let’s put a semi-controversial headline up so people will blindly open the link” a bit too much the past few weeks. Just my opinion.
I was going to go with
“Everything’s Sunny in Chicago: Mike Tice Edition.”
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 27, 2012 11:45 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Kinda seems to me like...
He put in a one-sentence/fragment summary of his article, and then actually explained himself in the article.
Lest you forget, us pantsless Internet people want to have people reading our opinions and drivel.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Hey how'd you know about me going pantless?
Time to check for spyware.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 27, 2012 12:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
TJ, it's the Internet.
We’re all pantsless until it’s proven otherwise. Just ask anyone, especially journalists with degrees and hard years of work offended that a blogging community of people that just decided overnight that they can talk sports exists.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Its true.
On the internet, everyone is a dog.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 27, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True indeed

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by TheotherDane on Jan 27, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
just put it in a folder called
“Model Railroading Trackplans”
My wife will never go into that folder
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Okay...
Thanks for sharing. Now you’re wife will know where it is if she ever reads this website…haha
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Now that he's said that, he's already moved it into the actual "porn" folder.
Knowing that it’s now completely safe.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 28, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
who's that creeping in my window
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I'm pantsless
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damn
there goes my next headline idea…
Lollipops and Roses, these are the things I LOVE about MY Bears
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 27, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
lalalalalal
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I don't think it effects much
We’ve seen first year coaches come in and do very well (Harbaugh and Ryan come to mind).
Learning a new offensive system shouldn’t be as complicated as its been in the past. Cutty is older, wiser, more experienced and mature.
The real key is to have “real” playmakers at the skill positions, and to give Jay decent protection.
Everything else would likely fall into place.
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i support this post
it seems like the learning a lot of new offenses is an excuse given to qbs who are just bad in general. alex smith has had a lot of OCs, maybe bc he hes not good and they get fired. all the studs stay in the same offense? why would they change offenses with that success
by TR MacReady on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
You make a good point but...
Just because he was asked to interview doesn’t mean he was even likely to get that job or future interviews. Ex-head coach offensive coordinators aren’t exactly in high demand. Just look at Scott Linehan and Marty Morningweg (I probably butchered his last name). Those two guys have been in charge of some pretty successful offenses yet their names haven’t come up for HC jobs.
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 27, 2012 12:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sometimes to succeed, you must first fail.
- Something some random old wise dude might have once said.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 27, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
probably
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Ed?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 27, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Ed was there
to write it on parchment
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I thought it was on the walls of caves?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
Ed is such a hipster, he was into Sanskrit
before Sanskrit was popular.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 28, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ayo!
Shy Guy on a roll today!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
The best way to get rid of Lovie
is to make him GM. If (when) he fails, he’ll no longer have anyone to hide behind. I think if Lovie was replaced via an inhouse promotion, Toub might be the better bet than Tice.
Why do you want to get rid of Lovie Smith?
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Passing game coordinator
The guy who fills that role could conceivably take over as OC should Tice leave for a HC gig. He adds his Twist and the offense evolves even more. Then again, playmakers are playmakers regardless of the system. We have those and we’ll be good
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by EmmCeee on Jan 27, 2012 12:26 PM CST via Android app reply actions
LIFE
no one gets out alive.
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Ah shoot Ed
You spoiled the ending…..
"And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed."
by TheotherDane on Jan 27, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't it just as likely
That is we hired an all new OC and the offense does well (say even to the SB) then that OC could get poached for a H.C. job somewhere else? Successful teams always seem to garner the attention of those not so good teams looking for change.
"And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed."
*if
"And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed."
by TheotherDane on Jan 27, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Next yr will b awesome...
No way around it. New GM
Will have common sense, fix line ad wr position. Say what u want about the defense but it’s been great. We cldve won every game we lost when cutty went down. Cept the Seattle game. We were 7-3 w cutler forte and no wr’s or line imagine what we will b with actual receivers and improved line.
by TheGreatGrabowski on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
weeewooo weeewooo meatball alert
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
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Being optimistic
means you’re a meatball?
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
We cldve won every game we lost when cutty went down
"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders
It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!
~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders
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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Meh
We’ll cross that bridge when we get there.
Barring catastrophic injuries or Jay and/or Matt seriously regressing, this offense has no reason to fail during the 2012 season. Especially if we upgrade at WR.
In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!" Theodore Roosevelt
Unless, you know, the offensive line guru who, after two years, couldn’t make an offensive line that could pass block (or run block consistently) will take over a position, which he has never held before, that was previously held by one of the most successful offensive coordinators in the past 15 years, might be a downgrade.
Martz, like every offensive coordinator before him, was a disaster, but is it really outside the realm of possibilities to imagine him being worse? (Predictable, no big plays, more failed rushing attempts)
Negative Nancy
Look, dude, you can want to take a dump on the team and expectations all you want. All you’re doing is looking foolish, though.
Tice worked wonders with a group of terrible to average linemen. If you don’t see this, then you’re just blind.
As for Martz, nice that you had to streeeeeeetch his success back 15 years now. You know why? Because he hasn’t had any success since St. Louis, and even then his noted stubbornness and love of his own system caused them to lose their second Super Bowl… you know, that one where he was completely in charge?
No, I can’t imagine Tice being worse. He’s already said he’s going to use common sense and tailor the offense to the personnel instead of the personnel to the offense. That’s already about 10 steps up.
To be honest, I don’t know why I’m even replying to that joke of a post. What a freaking ridiculous batch of nonsense.
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by LRT on Jan 28, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I'm blind.
(I think Martz had more success in losing a Super Bowl than Tice has had in his coaching career. 15 years, 30 years, 100 years. Martz’s players went to the Super Bowl, Tice’s players went boating.)
It is hard to assign blame for the failure of the offensive line the past two years, since Tice and Martz both started at the same time. Tice may have had crap talent, but he had a say in that crap talent, so it isn’t like he is faultless. Saying “but the line is/was so young” isn’t an excuse for Tice, when he chose to work with young linemen (because veterans have bad habits, or something).
We can look at the sack rates (sacks per pass attempt) of the recent Martz coordinated teams (2006-2007 Lions, 2008 49ers), and compare them with before and after Martz left.
The 2005 and 2008 Lions allowed 31 and 52 sacks on 520 and 509 attempts. .080 sacks per attempt.
The 2006 and 2007 Lions allowed 63 and 54 sacks on 596 and 587 attempts. .098 sacks per attempt, an increase of .018.
The 2007 and 2009 49ers allowed 55 and 40 sacks on 513 and 528 attempts. .091 sacks per attempt.
The 2008 49ers allowed 55 sacks on 509 attempts. .108 sacks per attempt, an increase of .017.
The sample size is small, but it looks like adding Martz increases the sack rate by about .018.
We don’t have numbers for after Martz on the Bears, but in 2009 the Bears allowed 35 sacks on 563 attempts. .062 sacks per attempt.
In 2010 and 2011 the Bears allowed 56 sacks and 49 sacks on 466 and 473 attempts. .111 sacks per attempt, an increase of .049.
Mike Martz kills quarterbacks, and has no reason being in the NFL, but even accounting for the extra sacks that a Martz offense gives you, the Bears gave up a lot more sacks than they should have. All this even though, Lovie Smith and Mike Tice wrestled Martz to the ground and convinced him to run a more balanced offense, and Jay Cutler is a mobile quarterback who can improvise and be difficult to take down.
Tice can say all he wants about what he is going to do with the offense, but until we see them on the field, I’m not going to put much value in what he says. Talk is cheap. It is distinctly possible he will be successful, and I really hope he is, but it seems like most of the fans on here aren’t blaming him for anything that has gone wrong while he was coaching, but giving him all of the credit when things have gone well. If the Bears are trying to win this year, or lay a foundation for winning in the years to come, I don’t think Tice is the right guy.
Mike Tice may not have made the offensive line worse, these cherry picked statistics probably don’t mean much, but I’d be hard pressed to say he made the line better. I’m trying real hard, but I can’t seem to see any clothes, but that is probably because I’m blind after all.

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