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Breaking News: Chicago Bears name Phil Emery General Manager

George McCaskey, Ted Phillips, and Lovie Smith have found their man.

Per Dan Pompei's story here, the Chicago Bears have named Phil Emery their new general manager.

The future of the Bears is being placed in the hands of Phil Emery, who has been chosen to be the team's new general manager.

Emery will take over for Jerry Angelo, who was let go from the Bears after the collapse of the 2011 season.

Star-divide

Emery, who has been roundly praised by folks such as Scott Pioli, among others, returns to the Bears after a stint as a regional scout. He has since spent time with the Falcons and Chiefs.

Notable players brought into organizations while Emery was around include Brian Urlacher, Matt Ryan, and Roddy White.

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Heh.

Got you by 4 minutes.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 28, 2012 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

Heh

I got you more.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @Kev_WCG

by Kev H on Jan 28, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, took BOTH shotgun barrels there...

Means I couldn’t even comment till I got back to a real computer. (Mobile drives SBNation sites nuts for some reason.)

Remind me to send you a fruitcake for Christmas this year. ; )

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 28, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Sweet!

Lets get some talent!

Prov 6: 21 - 22

http://talknewstome.tumblr.com/

by Cutler6fan8 on Jan 28, 2012 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

Glad this finally happened ! Emery seems like a very good fit .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

Go scout the Senior Bowl, and bring Bowe back with you!

and Carr.

Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!

by fortefan09 on Jan 28, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

Lovie-"Welcome aboard Phil! You can start business right away."

Emery-“Ok. My first order of business, you’re fired.”

by C-Razzle on Jan 28, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

I swear to god

nobody understands what trolling is anymore. Doing something that someone doesn’t like isn’t automatically trolling.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @Kev_WCG

by Kev H on Jan 28, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

that's not what your mom said last night

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Boom!

"And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed."

by TheotherDane on Jan 28, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Goes the dynamite

Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

Leading the NFL in swagtangibles

by JoeCB1991 on Jan 28, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You jelly?

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to be as bad a WCG Contributor as you are an announcer/authority on anything. Peace be with you. " (JoetheBoss)

by ThorCo on Jan 29, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we please stop with this fire Lovie crap !!??!?!?!?

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you want to fire Lovie???...

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't wanna fire Lovie homie . I love me some Lovie .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just being a smartass!...

Seriously, I am pleased to hear the Bears have NOT chosen Ruskell. We can argue about Lovie on another thread. Now we can look ahead to FAs and the draft.

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I can live with that ...... smartass !

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

my ass has an IQ of 267

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude is your ass a doctor ?

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

my ass is a deity

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Whats it name ??

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Buttha

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

glad to know it's not the god of thunder

"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."

by Maelvampyre on Jan 28, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You rang?

WCG's Resident Nickelback and Boy Band fan

Also rated Worst WCG Blogger by Dr. Steven Schweickert's extensive "Total BR" (Blogger Rating)

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to be as bad a WCG Contributor as you are an announcer/authority on anything. Peace be with you. " (JoetheBoss)

by ThorCo on Jan 29, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope, most likely a clown

Fix the Offensive Line

by touchdown bears on Jan 28, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Once he's fired....Yes.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

good! sounds like a sound pick heres to a long and hopefully successful career.

Tony

by chitown-tony on Jan 28, 2012 2:36 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

This, is a great hire.

Dare I say he was the 1 person in the Bears’ front office that should never have gotten away from us in the first place? Now, he’s back where he started his career, and many fans can finally rejoice as we’ve finally hired a GM who actually knows how to evaluate talent consistently.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

acceptable decision

…no one really knows what to expect, so I’m okay with it

by bear_down_baby on Jan 28, 2012 2:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

When's the press conference ?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Monday 2:00 P.M.ET

Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!

by fortefan09 on Jan 28, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

right on

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Guess we'll see in three years

when we can safely evaluate the 2012 draft class. Emery has most of the offseason to figure out how to tune the roster. He’s starting off on a good note, considering he’s been at the Senior Bowl all week.

"If the good Lord had wanted us to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." - Mike Ditka

by TheAwesomeMachine on Jan 28, 2012 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Im stunned

STUNNED I say…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 28, 2012 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Why you stunned?

I guess the future is cloudy after all…

(Gotta love sarcasm)

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

satirical irony

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, we hired someone who seems to be COMPETENT to be our GM?

Amazing. Hopefully he gets the job done!

"HOW'S IT HANGIN, SLAPNUTS!"

by Swarley on Jan 28, 2012 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

Oddly enough when Angelo was hired

I remember the official Bears board talking up how Angelo helped draft warren sapp, warrick dunn, barber, brooks, and steve young (yes even steve young) etc…..Looking back now seems humorous…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 28, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems Emery has a bit more history on his side though .....

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

True, that.

"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."

by Maelvampyre on Jan 28, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't say that

without saying JA also got this team to its second SB in team history. Let’s be fair.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed....

Angelo’s suckage is over-exaggerated, for sure. But he still sucked some.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

DaneNoble Dane Noble
I wonder if new #Bears GM can bring WR Dwayne Bowe over with him…

DavidHaugh David Haugh
Bears make deal with the devil? No, but as I wrote earlier in week, Emery was nicknamed “Satan” as Navy strength coach. Prodigious worker.

WaddleandSilvy Waddle and Silvy
Phil Emery’s daughter is named April. He will now be judged mostly by other kids he picks in April. #Bears #NFLdraft
ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Phil Emery wasn’t just hired to run the #Bears draft, but be the true leader of the team’s football operations.

ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
Only restriction facing Phil Emery is that Lovie Smith must remain #Bears head coach for 2012 season. After that, it’s Emery’s call.

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 28, 2012 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

Le'Ron McClain is a KC free agent too

I’d love him… he could replace Barber in short yardage too for about the same cost I’d imagine.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd kinda like McClain to come in as our short yardage guy . Him and Clutts ....

…. in the backfield together could be pretty darn nice . But honestly Barber played good football minus two mistakes . The Barbarian gets a bad rap from some folks round these parts . The guy , in my opinion , that should go is Bell . He’s fumbles the ball too much & Armando Allen seemed to be a bit smoother player .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Barber will be 29 next year

I’d have to think he’s about done. And I think you’re looking at Bell’s three fumbles a bit too much. When Forte was a second year player, he had 6 fumbles, and now he’s great at protecting the ball… that’s an easy thing to fix.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Bell has had issues since he arrived in Chicago . Bell has had ....

…… 79 attempts in his career and fumbled twice ( thats a fumble every 40 carries ). Matt Forte had 1014 attempts in his career and has fumbled 12 times ( that a fumble every 85 carries ) ( 1 fumble his rookie season in 316 carries , 5 fumbles his 2sd season in 258 carries , 0 fumbles his 3rd season in 237 carries & 1 fumble this past season in 203 carries ) . Matt Forte has never really had a fumble problem and it seems that Bell does . Bell literally fumbles twice as often . Heck Barber has fumbled less ( 1156 carries 16 fumbles ….. fumble every 73 carries ). Bell is just a third back who’s decent at special teams , something I honestly think Armando Allen could do just as good and Allen looked to be the better player overall .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah I don't get the love fest with Bell

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

First, sample size

Second, Bell in his second year, so compare him to Forte in his second year.

Forte in 2009: 258 carries, 5 fumbles.
Bell in 2011: 79 carries, 2 fumbles.

Maybe the Bears should have cut Forte after his second season too.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Walter Payton Fumbled 330 times n his first three seasons....

I ain’t calling Bell Forte (hell, anyone who knows ma knows I don’t like him) but the fumble thing is so over-exaggerated it’s just stupid.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

lol.....Payton....30 fumbles.....you get the picture.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

this made me pee my pants laughing

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders

It's all about THE []_[] baby!!!

~"Smile when u being attacked,laugh when they talking boutcha,wave when they hating on u and Pray when they leave u alone Somethings wrong!"~ Deion Sanders

At least FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER before you judge me fool

by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

This is rec worthy

Totally and utterly honest.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So make it green then.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Already rec'd it

:)

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

lol, I meant someone other than you and me.

We both already did our part. :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Bueller?

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

So mad that the teasers were for a Honda commercial rather than a sequel. One of my all-time favorite comedies.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Its an all-time classic

There wasn’t anything that Ferris couldn’t do. Had the world on his finger tip!

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

i pass the house and school almost everyday when i cut thru town

Tony

by chitown-tony on Jan 29, 2012 9:41 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Do you have a kiss for Daddy?

So, that’s how it is in their family.

What school is it again?

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I had no idea…knew Lucas was GW. I grew up just down the road in Wheaton.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Clutts has...

the ability to take over as the long- snapper, which raises his value immensely. He’s earned a roster spot for that alone. As a FB, he’s above average, but not irreplaceable.

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

But Overrated ????

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you...

Overrated is a bit too subjective a phrase for me. He’s good but not great and that’s about it. He has some valuable skills and FB is not a position of significant need for the Bears.

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess that was my beef was the use of the word overrated ....

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

A Fullbacks main job is to be a lead blocker

and catch the occasional pass out of the backfield. Clutts does neither very well.

by Joeb'n777 on Jan 28, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you get that ??? Gimme some proof .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

From PFF

LINK

Full Back: Tyler Clutts, CHI (-1.2)

Honestly I don’t get the love for Clutts. He’s not been a great fullback all year and his performance against the Packers wasn’t even one of his worst displays. A non entity at the position.

LINK

Fullback: Tyler Clutts, CHI (-4.4)

As if his blocking wasn’t bad enough he commits an after-the-whistle penalty? Can the Bears offense really afford that?

And this from a Bears blogger with a PFF subscription:

I recently subscribed to ProFootballFocus.com and found some interesting stuff that kind of surprised me and some that did not……

Tyler Clutts has the lowest score of any fullback in the NFL, by far.
LINK

by Joeb'n777 on Jan 28, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Clutts is very bad

routinely he enters the hole and can;t find anyone to block, or blocks someone that is already engaged with an OL

by Trey23 on Jan 28, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think PFF is ok, but hardly the final word, especially in blocking.

You know, cause according to PFF, Brian Bulaga is 10 times better than D.Brickashaw Ferguson and FA tackle Demetrius Bell is a better tackle than Jake Long, Ferguson, Joe Staley, Doug Free.

Or how about this one…..Doug Free, WCG fan favorite and universally considered one of if not the best linemen available last season in FA, ranks as the 51st best tackle in the NFL and has a similar overall ranking to Frank Omiyale, who accourding to PFF is second to only Gabe Carimi in Chicago.

Matt Forte, who is generlly considered a solid to very good blocker had a negative ranking in PFF.

There are just far to many cases of obvious idiocy in the ranking to take PFF as the end all of grading a player. Santonio Holmes ranks 109th in WRs, just three spots ahead of Devin Hester. Do you actually think the two are that close? In fact, Every receiver in Chicago except Hester is a better receiver than Santonio Holmes according to PFF. Why do we need new WRs then?

Reggie Bush is among the worst RBs in football this year? Darren McFadden was the 28th best RB?

Oh, and Donovan McNabb had a better season than Jay Cutler. Right?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Huh?

Clutts was rather good as a lead blocker in his first year as a FB.

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Well the stats say other wise .....

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

lol, what stats?

Please provide the blocking stats for Tyler Clutts. I’m very interested in those.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Well the PFF stats say otherwise .....

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

No, the PFF ranks say otherwise.

And I addressed that just above.

I asked you for the stats you were quoting, which I don’t believe exist.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

He's young. I'd admit people are a little "Hanie" high but....

As a blocker and flat wide reciever, he seemed to me to performing his job pretty well. He also was a standout on special teams. Compared to the bad blocking of the other FB’s he plays with heart and talent. We could do sooo much worse.

by Vortex51 on Jan 28, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

True

PFF rated him out as truly humble :(

pbanachi

by pbanachi on Jan 28, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

So is Briggs

Your point?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I will wait to see

how things play out before agreeing with that notion…..However:

skjensen Sean Jensen
Know this: Phil Emery was not hired to maintain status quo. He’ll have full authority on everyone, except coach Lovie Smith. #Bears

skjensen Sean Jensen
That means Phil Emery will ultimately decide Tim Ruskell’s future with #Bears. Ironic, since Ruskell gave Emery his big NFL break in ATL

ZachZaidman Zach Zaidman
I believe Phil Emery’s hiring will lead to significant changes in how the #Bears will run their football operations going forward.

Seen some twitter reports that Ruskell will not be kept but not sure how concrete they are…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 28, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm so excited

that it isn’t ruskell!

So, after this, 19 and 0 seem pretty reasonable

by GtM on Jan 28, 2012 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

Very reasonable .....

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

+1...

Ruskell would be the wrong move. I’m not sure what Emery brings to the table, but he’s already better than Ruskell and JA, so that’s a start. Now that the honeymoon is over, it’s time to make the Bears a SB contender. Good luck Phil…

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly...

I’d settle for NFL quality WRs, but go ahead, dream big! Hope springs eternal!

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

And optimism is on the rise!

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch it ECD...

I’ve got my eyes on you!

There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!

by LostInSTL on Jan 28, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Awe.Some.Red'd

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Bowe seems a likely target now ehh ECD !

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Why yes

Yes it does…!

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Bears grab Bowe

my mock pick of Melvin Ingram (who has looked down right great this week at the Senior Bowl) looks better evrry day

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude have you seen how .....

…. well Mike Adams LT from Ohio State is playin ?? Dude is shuttin folks down ……. I really want this kid in round two .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I think it's funny how someone was arguing with me that he's an NFL Rt

LMAO

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He's considered one of the premier LTs in this draft.

and if he has a good combine, just may pass up John Martin on a lot of peoples big boards

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

after yesterday. He definitely won't

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by suckmyditka on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Then steal the radar....

Sure it wouldn’t be hard to acquire 31 teams draft day play books.

Be hilarious to see them draft day with no notes though.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 29, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

+1 on the Colston acquisation

For some reason i’ve always loved the play of Colston. He’s talented and his work-ethic is great. Would love to have him here.

by Vortex51 on Jan 28, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Colston is too slow

and is a droppopotomus

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

agree

why pay a guy after he produced for NO, he’s on the down swing

by Trey23 on Jan 28, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

I have never seen him have trouble catching the ball.

by Joeb'n777 on Jan 28, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic sorry

He only dropped 2 balls in 2011 BTW

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You sure about that? I remember at least ONE when they played the Bears.

It made the NO fans all antsy since it was a drive killer. Though it may have counted as a Pass Defended.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 28, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

yup i looked it up yesterday when I posted that

he had 82 targets and caught 80 balls

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by suckmyditka on Jan 29, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope....

Colston had 105 targets and 80 receptions with 2 drops. The other 23 passes were either defended by his cover or he never got a hand on.

But the point still stands, the guy had only 2 drops in 2011.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

there ya go

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by suckmyditka on Jan 30, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus seems to fight

injury every year….From what I can recall anyways…..

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by CloudyFuture on Jan 28, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I would rather see Bowe, D.Jax, or Stevie Johnson

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Heck No.

We don’t need a T.O. 2.0. He’s too temperamental in that he sulks if he gets called out.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 28, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Add vjackson (though according to clayton looks like chargers will franchise him again)….. Though I am not a big stevie fan dropping those balls in clutch situations IMO he still better than most of what Bears got minus Bennett……

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by CloudyFuture on Jan 28, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Stevie Johnson > > > > > > > > > Bennet

did i mention he’s > > > > > > > > than bennet

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Bennett*

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Bennett Bennet

Bennate

Bennette

Idc how he decides to spell his name

Stevie Johnson is still better

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

???

Yeah, cause I’d rather have the guy who can hang on to the ball and dropped only 1 of his 40 targets while scoring 1 TD when he’s not disappearing in games than the guy who dropped five of his 132 targets but scored 7 TDs and was open often enough to throw the ball 132 times too.

Is that actually your argument, E?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Johnson dropped 5 passes

What are you even talking about?

Bennett disappeared once Cutty went down. Stevie Johnson excelled with crappy QB play.

Why the love fest with Bennett?

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by suckmyditka on Jan 29, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

why wouldn't you?

229rec for 4,085yds and 21tds in 4 years

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

PFF has been giving DeSean terrible ratings for years

MidwayMonster had an interesting point a week or two ago… that Knox’s numbers his first two years were pretty close to DeSean’s, even though DeSean was in a better passing offense and got a lot more publicity. And I think Knox sucks.

Lots of dropped passes, allows a lot of balls to be intercepted. I think DeSean is a fine second option in that he can pull the safety over whenever he goes deep, and there’s real value in that. But the Bears don’t have a #1 who can exploit that advantage.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

yet compared to a guy people around here clamor for, Vincent Jackson

he nearly has the exact same stats in 4 years that VJax had in 7.

DJax can excel in this league, and has proven himself as a top flight WR. The Eagles have a personality crisis going on and I think a guy like DJax would be great on this bears team

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol nice logic Spock

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yet, he's right.

DeSulky can stay in Philly.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 28, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I know someone else with a reputation like that...

That whole personality thing….who could it be…..hmmmmm…..cause these things are always right….cause sulking and having issues with your coach are dealbreakers Cutler and people should look at this body Cutler language, too and see if they can spot any other Cutler types of negatives that might Cutler affect his Cutler production Cutler.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Cause Jackson was traded because of his....lol.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

oh boy

so sitting a player because hes being a dbag is the same as a player demanding a trade. which was granted bc the coach wanted someone else too.

go ask some philly fans how badly they are itching to resign desean

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, because Philly fans are known for their calm and thoughtful reflection of players....

I’m saying that the media creates a perception. And you buy into the ones you like and dismiss the ones you don’t.

We don’t know a damned thing about Jackson other than what they tell us. Stop pretending you know the guy personally.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's hilarious that you actually...

told me to ask a group of fans about a who booed McNabb because he was drafted. How great was their judgment? They booed him because he wasn’t Ricky Williams.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

They are the only fans I can recall who booed a player on stage after he was drafted.

Can you give me another?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on.

It’s not like Philly fans don’t have a well earned reputation.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

fine

i think d.jax is overrated and is knox 2.0 who has nothing but negative incidents coming out of philly. thats it

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

This I agree with.

I don’t like his game, either. I would call him a better version of Knox, but I don’t see him as different enough from Johnny to merit wasting a bunch of Money and a slot on another small, speedy receiver.

We agree here completely.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Jackson is no Dif than Lance Briggs

He wants paid!

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by suckmyditka on Jan 29, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

He went about it stupid, mind you. But his window isn’t large and I understand what he was doing. I actually suppoerted Briggs his first time, too. His second time kinda pissed me off, though.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

people have to remember Jackson was a 2nd round pick, so his pay isn’t on par with the other receivers with his production.

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by suckmyditka on Jan 30, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I haven't met him....

What’s he like?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He's yet to show he can get separation as a true #1 option

And was shut down multiple times this past year when covered by opposing team’s #1 corner.

When Philly was 3-4 and needed a win here, he had 2 recs for 16 yards. His TD’s this year came against Buffalo, Miami, Washington, and St.Louis.

In the 45 – 19 Blowout of the JETS, he had….2 recs for 28 yards.

He only had TWO +100 yards receiving this year, one for 171 yards against the 49ers admittedly.

He just hasn’t been consistent enough to make as our #1 receiver.

Cacti are prickly.

by crackedcactus on Jan 28, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

incent Jacksonhad four 100 yard games all year, but...

only one of them came in a win and he hadn’t had one since playing Chicago. You know, I bet the Chargers could have used some big games from him down the stretch as they tried to make the playoffs, don’t you?

This is why attributing a win to a single player is ridiculous…..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a fair point

I can’t speak for why other people want VJax, but I’d like him over DeSean because I think he can be used in other ways besides just as a deep threat. The guy is 6’5", athletic, and built to take on contact, but only gets about 110 targets a year compared to 160ish for the top target WRs.

I’ve seen VJack become a true possession threat before (7 catches against the Bears and Packers this year, 10 catches against the Patriots), and that’s the kind of receiver that I think would help Jay most.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

compare that to Vincent Jackson who has played for 7 years

272rec for 4,752yds and 37tds

DeSeans stats look better to me

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Realistically...

You kind of know what you’re getting with DeSean, Bowe, or Manningham. Bowe is the only one that has shown potential despite playing with a mediocre QB. If you give VJax or Colston a big contract, you’re going to be paying for a lot of physical therapy and more than a handful of missed games.

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by TheAwesomeMachine on Jan 28, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

VJax is injury prone?

He’s missed 1 game due to injury total in the past 6 years…

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Ummm we need players that can contribute now not 3 years from now .......

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Jamarcus Webb

BOOM HOF

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

;]

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Im cautiously optimistic about this

Like I said before, he’s not my first choice but he’s solid IMO

by Joeb'n777 on Jan 28, 2012 4:42 PM CST reply actions  

Frankly, I'm troubled by anyone who would take the GM position with his hands tied regarding the HC right from the get go.

It strikes me as the way Jerry Jones would/does operate. Not that he’d ever hire a GM to begin with.

by BigGeorgeTX on Jan 28, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Lovie has 1 year left on his contract

the players love him as a coach.

Let him stay for a year

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by suckmyditka on Jan 28, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

After year one

Everyone under the position of GM is fair game for Emery in terms of being fired

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that

by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 28, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I don't like that its the truth . But if Lovie does his ....

…. job and we end up in the playoffs then what guys ?

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by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Phillips hired the last GM (Angelo), who had the job 11 years

I think it’s fair to say that Emery is here for the long haul, and is not a short-term solution.

So your question is “What happens if the Bears make the playoffs?” Well, I think that would be grand. Because as we’ve seen from the Giants – the key is not how many games you win, but if you make the playoffs. After that, it’s anybody’s game.

If making the playoffs makes a decision on Lovie a difficult one, then I sincerely hope Emery has a difficult decision next season. Except, of course, if he has an easy decision to retain Lovie after a Super Bowl victory.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 28, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

then he stays because they won

why would the gm be upset if the team is winning? so he can stroke his ego when “his” guy comes and win.

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a very fair point

Part of it obviously depends on the terms/length of the contract. Emery may be looking at this as his big break to be the guy running an NFL franchise. I’m sure the fact that Phillips is handcuffing the GM right off the bat and forcing him to keep Lovie in place may have cost us some opportunities with other candidates.

by JimmyMack on Jan 28, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Not many strings

Lovie is the only one and can be cut after this year if the Bears fail to make the dance.

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by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

multiple reports say Emery will let Ruskell go

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.

by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 28, 2012 6:10 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

"Brian Urlacher, coasting down the right sideline. A Sunday stroll into the endzone."

by DutchBear on Jan 28, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Pimpin’ ain’t easy

Fix the Offensive Line

by touchdown bears on Jan 28, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Fire the grounds crew at Soldier Field and put in better turf

Fix the Offensive Line

by touchdown bears on Jan 28, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That probably shouldn't be too surprising

And I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him bring in one of his scouts from KC or Atlanta to replace Ruskell. I wonder if he would have let Lovie go, if Lovie wasn’t being explicitly protected by Phillips…

by JimmyMack on Jan 28, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

JaysThumb Jay Cutler’s Thumb
That was quick @NotPhilEmery
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by David in Maine on Jan 28, 2012 6:23 PM CST reply actions  

General manager of what?

Welcome to your desk. You can’t hire your own head coach, and you can’t hire your own coaching staff, and you may even be asked to retain all of your scouts who are still under contract at this point time.

Good luck with that.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 28, 2012 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

General Manager of college talent

Something this franchise has been lacking for some time. we will see how Tice works out as OC next season, but if he uses the Brian Billick offense mixed with Martzfense terminology, then I am real certain that it will work with Cutler. Lovie is a decent enough coach and Emery will now be tasked with finding the passing coordinator. I am thrilled that it’s not Angelo or Ruskell running the draft now: This is a real step up.

by Bear72 on Jan 28, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter who's running the draft if the same scouts are evaluating all the talent.

I don’t know why people can’t grasp that.

It may not have all been Jerry’s fault that OUR drafts sucked, when he was listening to OUR scouts evaluation of the talent.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 28, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

then why didnt jerry find new scouts?

emery cant fire Lovie thats it. where has it been said he cant replace scouts?

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Emery will hire his own scouts

Keep in mind that Angelo made Ruskell the director of college scouting. That tells Me Angelo didn’t have one prior to hiring Ruskell. Emery would most likely want to have his own talent scouts and probably a new director of college scouting.

by Bear72 on Jan 28, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Ruskell was director of pro scouting?

Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.

by Just Dave on Jan 28, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgot about Gabriel..My bad

In all of this, I preferably wanted Bill Polian to be hired for the GM position since his draft record speaks for itself and the experience is there. All we can do now is wait and see if Emery has the tools to make the Bears successful in talent evaluation and development.

by Bear72 on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

too much job security?

for who? lovie smith… oh man thats awful. he worked here as area scout. so that means he wants to run things the same way? maybe he formed some of his own opinions on how an efficent FO should be run.

idk what your talking about with new art videos and advanced scouting. is there a form of saber metrics in football? what other teams do things like that

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you and rec'd.

I said below that the Bears just hired a guy that nobody can find anything good to say about him except that he works hard.

Why is that exciting?

Angelo cam in with the same sort of resume (better, actually) and left with praise of his work ethic.

I’m not sure how to feel about any of this. Here’s to hoping Emery is the next Finks.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

That’s about all I’ve heard about this guy – he’s a “hard worker.” It doesn’t really sound like he’s going to be much different than what we’ve seen for the past 10 years.

by JimmyMack on Jan 28, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Except the actual drafting results

which matter the most. Does emulating a couple of the great GMs excite you?

Emery learned the Patriots way while working under Bill Belichick disciples Thomas Dimitroff with the Falcons and Scott Pioli with the Chiefs. He likely will institute that system.

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by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we outlaw the phrase "The Patriot Way" on this website?

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 29, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as they don't outlaw it at Halas Hall, then I'm cool with it.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Well stated

Agree……

Hopefully the Bears lucked into a good to decent GM though…..

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- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Terrible argument.

Just cause the guy was a scout here, doesnt make him biased to how he is gonna run things.

Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!

by fortefan09 on Jan 29, 2012 5:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

But if they said they wanted to go “outside of the organization,” then how is going back to a guy who worked for them as a scout years ago a representation of that?

by JimmyMack on Jan 29, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This made me laugh:
This is what’s happening at Clark and Addison right now: a true commitment to winning.

If the Cubs are the posterboys for success, I’d prefer to stay away from that 105-year disaster-ridden fustercluck.

Oh, wait – NOOOOWWW they’re creating a true commitment to winning. In one offseason. When no results have been seen yet. Three months before they’ll take the field for the first time. We’re going to draw conclusions NOW. :-)

The Cubs are the worst professional sports team in the history of the world. I’ll believe a ‘true commitment to winning’ when there is evidence on the field, not in the heads of Cubs fans. (Okay, maybe Hibernian in Scotland is the worst, and the Cubs are the second-worst. Or maybe it is the Cubs.)

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 5:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I think what he was trying to say is

That (the 105 year no world series title streak aside), at least the Cubs have brought in a GM with a conclusively, tangible history of success.

Can we say the same thing about the Bear’s Emery hiring? I sure hope that is the case, but I just can’t find a lot of info on the guy, other than Pioli’s “hard working” quote… And Emery’s resume is similar to Angelo’s when Phillips hired him.

by JimmyMack on Jan 29, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that what I was trying to say is....

….if you want the Bears to pattern their front-office activity after any particular sports franchise, you could pick hundreds better than the Cubs.

Hell, even in Chicago, the Bulls and Blackhawks are better examples at this point. There’s no guarantee that Theo will be able to repeat his history in Boston. Not to mention that the Bears have been a far better franchise in the recent past (5-10 years) than the Cubs, so there was less of a reason to scuttle the whole ship.

I mean, if the Cubs had won their division and hosted the NL Championship series in 2010 and had been in the World Series in 2006, would Sackman be arguing to fire the Manager, GM and entire front office and scouting department that got them to that level?

What if they were 70-30 after 100 games this season and suffered a series of season-ending injuries to their most important players, causing a nose-dive in the standings? Especially in the toughest division in the League with the Cardinals/Packers and Brewers/Lions? Fire everyone from the top on down?

Terrible comparison in every possible way.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

LIke I said

In a nutshell, bringing in Epstien (IMO) does conclusively represent a true committment to winning for the Cubs. Sure, he could crash and burn, but history says he won’t.

Can the same be said of the Emery hiring?

by JimmyMack on Jan 29, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

You are quite accurate....
bringing in Epstien (IMO) does conclusively represent a true committment to winning for the Cubs

I believe the specific definition of ‘represent’ that your statement utilizes is “”http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/represent" >to serve as a sign or symbol of". If so, I agree – in a nutshell, Theo Epstein was a symbolic hiring.

Now, let me state: Theo was a good hire, and the Cubs absolutely needed a symbolic hiring. But we have no way of knowing if Theo represented the best possible hire the Cubs could have made. What about Andrew Friedman? Or Brian Cashman? What about the GM of the Rangers? Or the Cardinals? Were they available?

Maybe Theo is the best possible hire. But he was 100% the most symbolic hiring. And when you’re coming off 105 years of sucking shit through a straw, you need all the symbolism that you can afford.

But if we’re going to compare Theo Epstein to Phil Emery, then we also have to compare the Cubs of the last 5-10 years to the Bears of the last 5-10 years – and there is no comparison. If you think that Lovie Smith sucks like Mike “my name rhymes with Sade but I’m not nearly as tough” Quade, well, you’re wrong. If you think that the Bears’ clubhouse is in disarray and full of pathetic losers like the Cubs’ clubhouse, well, you’re wrong.

The Cubs absolutely needed to fire every single person in that entire organization and to bring in a guy to build a perennial loser with horribly bad karma from the base of the ivy on up. The Cubs needed Jesus Christ in a baseball cap.

The Bears have been an above-average and relatively solid organization in the recent past, and they were on track to easily make the playoffs this season but for the injuries. And seeing where the Giants are this week – as the Bears were clearly a better team after 10 weeks, and many folks understood that the Packers weren’t as good as their record – it’s not outside the realm of possibility that the Bears could be playing New England a week from today if their luck had been better (and especially if other teams’ luck had resembled the Bears’ actual path). Although, I think it’s unlikely, as the Bears would have had to cover up for a deficient OL and WR corps, but it certainly wasn’t impossible.

So in asking:

Can the same be said of the Emery hiring?

I think what you’re really asking is: “Is the Phil Emery hiring symbolic of bringing in a brilliant one-of-a-kind genius to completely overhaul a pathetic, perpetual loser?” And my answer is “No, but why would you expect that or want that for these current Bears?”

I think that the truly symbolic hirings that the Bears could have made would have been guys like Bill Cowher or Bill Parcells, for example. Would that have been the right call? Would Eric DeCosta or Reggie McKenzie or Jason Licht have automatically represented a greater commitment to winning? Why exactly?

Outside of Ted Thompson or Bill Belichik, I don’t think there is anybody currently in the NFL who has been a GM (or at least had those powers) and who built a team from the ground up, who would have had the symbolic effect of the Cubs hiring Theo Epstein – which is why it was a terrible comparison to begin with.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

other than polian

who wasnt interviewed by anyone, there isnt a huge list of experienced successful GMs. not one other team thought about interviewing someone who fit that criteria

if ross, licht, or raye was hired we would have just as much information about individual success

im not defending emery bc i have no idea how he will do. ppl just want something that wasnt available

by TR MacReady on Jan 29, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot Polian

Another example of a symbolic hire who may or may not have been a good choice.

I don’t know if Emery will be better than McKenzie, or better than Licht or DeCosta would have been.

But the Bears didn’t need to clean house like the Cubs needed to, nor did they need a hire that was as symbolic as he was qualified.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree for the most part

Emery is much older than Theo, and Emery has never been a GM. Theo has had great success as an executive. This Emery’s first opportunity.

The Bears would’ve had a very difficult time beating the Saints in the Superdome. Although, they might have beat out the Lions for the 5th seed. At Giants….

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by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

sitting at airport flipping through comments

one quick thing to say. when the Cubs began their search, Ricketts and his team actually created a brand new analytical study of all the most winning franchises in baseball, compiling numerous amounts of data and info to compare on winning and the people mist responsible for winning. that study helped form the list of smartest men I’m baseball. theo was at the top. you can read about thus process in a Ricketts interview on BCB.

in cimoarison, the bears approach is a complete train wreck

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 11:44 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Apples and Oranges

First of all, I’d rather sit outside in 15 degree weather with no shirt than waste any of my precious God-given moments on this Earth by reading Bleed Cubbie Blue. C’mon. Do I suggest that you meditate in the middle of a crowded highway? No, you have better uses for your time, I’m sure.

Second – your description is either too brief or complete bullshit. No statistical analysis can possibly yield a list of the smartest men. On the surface, we have no real way of knowing who is responsible for various draft picks within an NFL organization (Newsome or DeCosta? Belichik or Licht? Pioli or Emery? etc etc) Furthermore, any analysis of MLB would be fundamentally different because of the lack of salary cap. Did Theo or Friedman peform better, given the dollars that they could spend? In the NFL, every team is working within a much tighter salary band, so we can make more conclusions simply by the success of the ballclub.

Third, why do you think the Bears approach is a complete train wreck? As far as I can tell, their list contained all the best candidates. They interviewed some of the very best available, from the best franchises. Eric DeCosta isn’t going anywhere. McKenzie jumped at the Raiders, without even interviewing anywhere else as far as I remember. Among all the up-and-coming names, the Bears interviewed the best that were available, and made a decision among them based on their plans and vision for the franchise.

I guess you were holding out for – who, exactly? Bill Cowher? Vince Lombardi? Bill Walsh? Bill Belichik? Really. Or conversely, employing a perfect process would have yielded who? What candidates and ultimate hire would have satisfied you?

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and let me add one more point

What’s the point of doing all that new-fangled statistical analysis when 99 out of 100 baseball fans could have developed a list of potential GM candidates, on which Theo Epstien would have been one of the top three or five listed?

Really. Sounds like a big waste of time to me.

I could have told them to hire Theo Epstein and saved them a shitload of time and money. Right? You too, I’m sure.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

This is getting way off track

And without writing some sort of an essay response… If I can remember what his initial point was… Oh, right is the Emery hiring a true committment to winning? I guess time will tell. But right now, I’m going to temper my expectations, since I’m not able to find a lot out there on Emery, other than he’s a “very hard worker.”

by JimmyMack on Jan 29, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

His initial point was....
This is what’s happening at Clark and Addison right now: a true commitment to winning. The Bears are in the dark, and clueless.

It was a horrible comparison on many levels.

We have no idea if the Cubs process will yield any significant results. And it’s idiotic to suggest that the Cubs process for hiring a GM was light years better than the Bears process, simply because the former hired Theo Epstein and the latter hired Phil Emery. The processes, in both cases, seemed pretty robust.

Your point was to ask “is the Emery hiring a true commitment to winning?”

Let me ask you – who could the Bears have hired that would have exemplified this? DeCosta? McKenzie? Ross? Raye? Licht? My argument is that none of these would have been any more symbolic than the other.

Cowher? Polian? Parcells? Anyone? There was no Theo-type candidate available, and to malign the Bears process because they didn’t get someone that wasn’t available is idiotic.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

You need to seriously relax, man. And stop using insulting words like “idiotic” just because someone doesn’t use a comparison that you agree with. Whatever… All I’m saying is, I’m tempering my expectations on Emery until we see how FA and the draft pan out. He could easily turn out to be another “meh” GM, like Angelo. Right now, I’m not ready to hail him as our savior.

by JimmyMack on Jan 29, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, and?

Who said Emery was the savior?

Who said Theo was the savior? (Oh, right, that was SackMan.)

Theo could be another “Meh”. But I’m not the one who made the comparison between the Cubs situation and the Bears, between Epstein and Emery.

I stand by my words, that comparison is idiotic. Or it’s ‘moot’ – so hypothetical as to be meaningless. Right?

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

How is the comparison idiotic?

One sports organization is putting all of its resources toward an innovative approach to building a sustained winner.

The other organization is dropping its pants every January in a season ending press conference.

This has nothing to do with Theo or Emery. It’s about the organizational structure and approach to running a professional sports team. But you still can’t grasp that because you can’t think big enough.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The GM is a just a job title.

A GM can’t be successful if he doesn’t have the right people, the right resources, and the right commitment around him.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

okkk

where was it stated he cant make changes to the FO as he sees fit. idk what your talking about in regards to resources or commitment around him. why wouldnt he have those things?

by TR MacReady on Jan 29, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

One organization has won 9 championships since the other one did 105 years ago

One organization has been to the championship game in the past decade; the other organization hasn’t played in the Big One in over 65 years.

One organization hosted the conference title game one year ago, and was in the driver’s seat to make the playoffs this season until injuries derailed the season. The other organization was a pathetic bunch of losers managed by Mike Quade, who barely deserves to drive a taxi in that town.

One organization is the worst professional sports franchise in the history of the world, with the possible exception of the Hibernian football club in Scotland…..I could go on, but really, should I?

One sports organization is putting all of its resources toward an innovative approach to building a sustained winner.

And until it actually builds a winner the first time in 105 years, let alone a SUSTAINED winner, nobody on the planet has ANY idea if that approach is better than pissing into the wind. It’s all hypothetical and moot to this particular post.

I’m not sure what you don’t understand about that. But comparing the Bears of the recent past, and their current group of players and coaches, to the Cubs under Mike Quade, is IDIOTIC.

And therefore, the plans that they undertook to improve the teams from that point will be entirely different.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 30, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for not even comprehending the entire point.

The point is: the Cubs recently changed upper management under a new commitment by ownership to build a winning franchise. In this commitment they are using their resources to add technology, facilities, innovative statistical analysis and smart people in order to build a true winning organization. Because of this TRUE commitment to winning, they will likely succeed at their goal.

The Bears, on the other hand, are mucking around under an ownership with too many voices, an organization with a wacky hierarchy, and leftover employees at just about every football position who got us to this point of a decade’s worth of bad drafting, and minimal playoff appearances.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

And BTW, Theo himself easn;t necessarily "available"

The Cubs targeted him as the best, and got the best. They are still settling compensation for stealing him away from Boston.

The Bears could’ve acted in a similar manner: study the league, target the best, and go get him.

Instead, they mucked the whole thing up, and filled the job with a 53-year old career scout, creating some insane hierarchy in which the GM will be a glorified scout, and other people will have to help him be a GM.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Obviously you have a man-crush on Theo...

…and are a die-hard Cubs fan (sorry about that; there’s a place reserved for you in Heaven for the Hell you’ve endured) who also believes that Ricketts is the second coming.

Outside of that, you have no legitimate proof that Theo was the best possible hire. Ricketts believed he was the best possible hire.

And you have no proof that the Bears didn’t study the entire league and target the best. It’s all your opinion, which you of course are entitled to.

I should have known better than to try to argue with a Cubs fan. There’s no logic there. My condolences.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

But also

had the second most resources in all of baseball to do so. He also greatly missed on many FA acquisition while spending a bounty- see Crawford, Drew, Matsuzaka, the guy he signed from the Angels, etc.

I’m not saying Theo is overrated, but he certainly has had a ton of help with many flaws on his resume.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

you're looking at the mere surface

look beneath the surface. they hired bill James, played money ball. built carmine, evaluated prospects to trade for. and drafted very, very well. they won two world series with a team built primarily from drafting and scouting.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 11:54 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

You guys provide Emery with a lose-lose situation and criticize him for it.

If anyone claims he’s been responsible for good drafts and was involved with the Greatriots, nay-sayers will respond, “he wasn’t the man in charge, he merely played a small part and he’s never been a GM.” Its funny how that same standard was NOT applied to Marc Ross, Reggie McKenzie, etc.

Or if anyone credits his reputation as a hard worker, it is automatically an indictment of his intelligence. Like you CAN’T be both hard working and intelligent.

“He’s not an outside-hire” because at one point in his career, he was employed by the Bears (among a number of other teams). HOW OUTSIDE IS OUTSIDE?! Does he need to be from the East Coast? Maybe the Toronto Argonauts provide the requisite “outsidy-ness”.

Just chill.

"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."

by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 29, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree with this completely

but to be clear im not saying i love the guy because guess what i havent seen him do one thing as the GM and we know just about as much as his personal success as all the other candidates which is prietty slim

i dont like the reasons ppl are giving in why they are being critical of the hire

by TR MacReady on Jan 29, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha!

He said fustercluck and I spit Guinness Black Lager out my nose. It stings, but it was still funny. :)

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm......

somehow the post that appeared here earlier became two posts without the body. Curiouser and curiouser.

Well, the original post before the change was just to inform you, Sweetness, that your use of the word “fustercluck” made me do a spit take with a glass of Guinness Black Lager. It stung, but it was still funny. :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

And now the original post returned to being just one and got it's body back....

WTF?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It was funny, dude. Couldn't help it.

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1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Who's to say the Bears won't or don't have this infrastructure in place?

He’s not the flashy signing who would’ve sent fans into a hysteria (Parcells, Cowher, etc.), but he’s the type of evaluator who will be bring new ideas on how to get that competitive advantage. His track record of picks at three different spots speak magnitudes of his ability.

They may run business their own way, but I believe Emery is the right hire. You can’t really compare baseball and football scouting. In baseball, you’re talking about thousands and thousands of more evaluations to complete.

Let’s see what creativity he brings to the table first before saying he was a bad hire.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

all appearances

say the bears are flying by the seat of their pants, with this hire. and several candidates declined to interview for the job.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Who did you want?

Who, according to you, would have been the equivalent of a Theo Epstein? Symbolically as well as previous record?

That means – a candidate who was previously a GM and built a Super Bowl Champion. Who, SackMan?

Otherwise, your entire point is just mental masturbation.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, failing to grasp the situation.

They had NO WINNING PLAN! For crying out loud, how do you not understand this?

They fired their GM, and then let other people continue to make football positions, such as hiring coaches, before even bringing in a new GM.

They said they wanted to go outside of the organization to bring in a new perspective, and they ended up hiring one of their former scouts.

They continue to make end of season press conferences that proclaim big changes are coming, and then keep the status quo.

How is this a winning formula? You tell me, since you’re obviously the authority on this.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Emery was outside the org

if the hired within then it would have been someone already with the bears. what does it matter that the guy used to be an area scout with team however long ago.

hes gonna do everything the same? im sure he has his own ideas on the best way for the things to run.

by TR MacReady on Jan 29, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It's quite interesting that you didn't answer the question

As I wrote, 100 people could have made a list of 5 candidates for GM, and Theo Epstein would have been on 99 of those lists. Either Ricketts is a genius, or he’s no smarter than an average baseball fan.

But merely because the Cubs did a huge statistical analysis that arrived at the same conclusion as the average baseball fan, you claim that they had a “WINNING PLAN!” It’s laughable on its face.

I asked who you thought the Bears could have hired who would have carried the symbolic impact of Theo Epstein. You didn’t answer. So you decided long ago to condemn whatever decision they ultimately made. Bully for you. But that doesn’t mean their process was terrible, as you suggest.

I think they had a very good process. They identified at least six of the up-and-coming non-retreads in the NFL: Emery, DeCosta, McKenzie, Licht, Raye and Ross, as well as an out-of-the-box candidate in Sundquist. McKenzie jumped at Oakland (where he played), and DeCosta was never available.

I think Polian is over the hill, Parcells is too old, and Cowher is vastly overrated. Other than Ted Thompson and Bill Belichik, I can’t think of any hires that would have had the symbolic impact of the Cubs hiring Theo. And they were not available under any circumstances.

And you’re making the assumption that Emery today is the same person that they hired as a scout, even though he’s been able to work with some of the best minds in the NFL since then. As Dan Pompei wrote:

When the Bears came back to Emery nearly 15 years later this winter, he wasn’t the same guy. He had been reshaped working with Angelo, Ruskell, Rich McKay, Thomas Dimitroff and Scott Pioli.

You’ll forgive me if I trust the opinion of Dan Pompei over someone who bases his judgment of winning and success on a team that hasn’t won the big one in 105 years? (It was your comparison, not mine.)

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 29, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

100 people could have made a list of obvious big-name candidates.

That doesn’t mean that the obvious big-names were actually the smartest people responsible for building winning organizations.

Let me throw you a bone, so you can become better educated. Since you refuse to read the interview on BCB. One who refuses to learn, is one who will never become wise.

Interview
BCB: To begin, describe the process of how you wound up with Theo Epstein here.

TR: I’d be happy to talk about the process. It kind of began, obviously, in August. One of the thoughts on the timing of the announcement on Jim [Hendry] was that it would give us a good runway to do some homework before the end of the season because you really can’t talk to people that are employed by other teams during the season. Typically you want to talk to teams that are on their way to the playoffs and it’s really awkward and you just want to wait till the end of the season. So we had about six weeks to do a fair amount of background work, and there were really two types of background work.

We did a lot of quantitative work. I worked with Ari [Kaplan] on our staff and another outside consultant that we’ve used to really study all the teams in two categories. We studied them in wins and we studied them in player development.

On the win side, we looked at how many wins each team had over the last 10 years, how many games they’d won for how many dollars they’d spent over the last 10 years and then how consistently they had won over the last 10 years. Then we tried to rank the teams in who has really won over the last 10 years.

So we looked at which teams had won, and we looked at which teams had better systems. In terms of player development, we had some reports that we generate here about how many players of each team make it to the major leagues. We looked at what they call bona fide prospects in each system over time, like how many of the players in each system rank at what would be producing productive major league players. And we also looked at systems in terms of which system had on balance across the entire system the best rankings in terms of looking at each player, projecting them forward and then again ranking all the teams.

In terms of wins and in terms of player development we also built a tool that kind of cross references them so you could take a team and see where they are in these various different, on these different scales.

So, on the quantitative side, we basically tried to figure out which systems were outperforming the others. And in general, there are probably seven or eight that rise to the top when you look at it. And some are probably several of the teams that you’d expect. But, there are a handful of teams that have out-performed on those metrics.

On the qualitative side, or kind of on the personal side, I talked to about 20 people in baseball who I thought I could trust and who had perspectives I thought would be useful. That’s some current GMs, some former GMs, some future GMs, agents, owners that had been through the process, other people who had been around baseball, really with two focuses.

One is to ask them, of the teams that we see that have outperformed the others, are there certain people on those you think should take a larger share of the credit for what’s going on there? Because you don’t want to take a system and think that you have the right guy when you’ve actually taken the wrong guy. Which front office people do you think deserve a lot of the credit and success their teams have had? And then, in a perfect world, if you were me, and looking at the problems or the issues facing the Cubs, who would you be thinking of as the first call you would make as a GM?

Of all those people, everybody gave me a few ideas on who they like and who they think is good and Theo was at the top of everybody’s list. So through that process, not only what they have accomplished in Boston but what I heard about him from all the phone calls that I made, he just became our first choice.

BCB: Did you think he would be available at the time you started the process?

TR: I had no idea who’d be available, who wouldn’t be available, who was available but not interested. You just don’t know. So that’s why when I looked at it with the analytical guys I told them, “I don’t want to hear any names. I’ll worry about the names. You just give me the numbers.” So we didn’t know if he was going to be available. Toward the end of the process, or toward the end of the season, we said, let’s just wait until the Red Sox are done playing and then we’ll see if he wants to talk.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 29, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Blah blah blah

Yeah, so what?

Until Ricketts actually shows his work, I can’t evaluate his statistical analysis (which is actually something I do for a living).

Got a link to that, internet intellectual tough guy?

One who refuses to learn, is one who will never become wise.

And one who refuses to learn from Bleed Cubbie Blue probably already is wise.

by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Clearly you're more interested in kicking and screaming and calling people names

Than actually having a great conversation.

I’m sure you’d be acting the same way if it was 1990, and I was comparing the situation to the “new organizational commitment to winning” that was going on with the Atlanta Braves.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jan 30, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you, brother.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Just glad it is done

Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

Leading the NFL in swagtangibles

by JoeCB1991 on Jan 28, 2012 6:59 PM CST reply actions  

I can agree with that.

Sick of waiting was definitely a good description of my attitude lately.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll wait for the draft and free agency to pass judgement.

Thus far he hasn’t done anything as a GM, this is a new day and a fresh beginning for the bears and i’m completely hopeful….. guess i still got an angelo hangover though because i feel a little underwhelmed with this so far. Too much time spent in the show me state.

by chicagocity on Jan 28, 2012 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

one of those wind up monkies could do a better job patching an offense than angelo

So I’m already somewhat optimistic. But I’ll reserve true optimism/satisfaction for when we see what he does in the off season

missing number 6

by Jessica312 on Jan 28, 2012 8:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Am I the only person who's slightly worried that the Bears just hired a guy that....

the big deal on is that he’s a “hard worker?”

Seriously, I haven’t read anything that offers any praise of mery beyond his work ethic. The kicker? THe same type of praise was often heaped on Angelo, even on his exit.

Just wondering if anyone else is worried about a hire that isn’t seeing any praise outside of his work ethic.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:10 PM CST reply actions  

I've seen praise

of his ability to identify top quality talent in the draft during his time in Chicago, Atlanta and Kansas City.

"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Jan 28, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Specifically?

He worked on units that drafted a couple of decent players (Angelo had a better record of this coming in to Chicago) but I haven’t seen any specifics of who he actually was involved in drafting.

If you have, I’d be interested in seeing some. It would go a long way towards cooling the hot ball of acid that’s in my stomach right now. Can you point me in the direction?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right

There doesn’t seem to be anything specifically singling him out.

"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Jan 28, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Tim, you are way too negative in almost all of your posts.

I know the Bears have been up and down the last few years but Im sure you can find something good to say.

Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!

by fortefan09 on Jan 29, 2012 5:22 AM CST up reply actions  

See, that's where I think you miss my point....

I’m not negative on the Emery hire. I’m just not positive, either.

I hate this whole “If you don’t jump up and down an clap like a cheerleader than you’re against it all” mentality. I don’t see much to get excited about. I also don’t see much to crap on.

He has no history as a GM.

His actual scouting work is spotty in Chicago based on his region and the picks Chicago drafted from that region (and in all fairness, we can’t even accurately judge that, as we don’t have any clue as to the bullets he might have helped Chicago dodge. That is a significant part of the job that we as fans have no way to evaluate. Who knows who the Bears might have been high on that Emery scouted and determined to be a trainwreck? That’s part of the job , too)

Beyond that, all we know is he works really really hard. That’s not much to get excited about.

I’m not impressed with the drafting that the Chiefs have done since he arrived after the 2008 draft.

I know people want to attribute him to the “Patriots Way” above, and that’s great. But it’s also a stretch. Dimitroff spent three years with Belichick. Most of his time has been spent working in Atlanta, not New England. And I wouldn’t agree that Atlanta’s drafting and Free Agency approach resembles New England’s. Not at all.

And did I mention that I’m not a big fan of the Chiefs drafting over the past three seasons?

But Emery wasn’t the GM and didn’t have the final word in KC, so how much is his fault?

Reality is that I don’t have a damn clue whether to be happy or angry about this pick. I would rather have seen other hires, but that doesn’t mean this one is doomed to fail.

I do think he was immediately put at a disadvantage….the same disadvantage that Jerry Angelo was put in when he was hired.

But as I’ve said repeatedly, I hope Emery is the next Jim Finks. I don’t see anything that says he will be or that he won’t be, so I’ll just sit back and watch.

But, that doesn’t mean that I’m going to jump up and down like a cheerleader just because they didn’t hire someone from the inside. Instead they hired someone that used to be on the inside. Just because they didn’t hire the worst possible prospect doesn’t mean that they hired the best, either. there are shades of gray involved here and I’m not sure how to react.

There are reasons to be optimistic and reasons to be concerned. I think there’s enough of both to make it interesting if nothing else.

But, believe me, I am NOT rooting for his failure. Or Smith’s. Or anyone else’s. I’ll say it again. I hope he’s the next Jim Finks (without the leaving in a fit over not being able to hire his own guy as head coach. Damn, the Bears have a long history of leaving GMs out of the loop on the head coach, don’t they?)

And I’m not negative about him. I’m just not positive, either. Forgive me if I get the feeling that once again the Bears decided to go half-way in this whole deal.

But if it works out, I won’t be trying to put the move down. I’ll be cheering it on right next to you. I just want championships in Chicago, I just want a Championship culture. I just want to feel like the owners are more worried about the pride of a city and making Papa proud than they are about the almighty dollar. Funny enough, I think if they took care of the Pride, the fans would take care of the money.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 30, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

How abou tthe specifics of who he's been involved in scouting and drafting that make him a good evaluator?

Not the team he works for, but him specifically. For example, Conte was actually an Angelo scouting job. He actually scouted Conte himself.

Wouldn’t it be nice to know who he actually evaluated himself? Wouldn’t knowing some of his actual individual successes be nice? Wouldn’t hearing something other than “She has a really nice personality” be a good thing?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

yes that would be great

what other candidates individual successes were known? i know what your saying and i think its pretty dumb to attribute successful draft picks to any of these candidates just bc they were with the team when the players were drafted.

but you can say the same thing about any of the other guys too

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree....

That’s why I wanted someone with experience, not a guessing game, which is how we got Angelo.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

so an experienced successful GM

who was out there that fit that criteria

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure. But then, It wasn't my job to find that guy.

How about Bill Polian, for one?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously?

so his son can do everything while he hits the golf course?? experienced successful GMs arnt looking for jobs

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yet Polian is.....

And he qualifies as both. So………..

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

His son would only be the GM if he was hired to be.

So it does apply. Chris, not Bill was the GM in Indy. Bill was the Pres in Indy, not the GM.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yet you...

just spent all that time telling me how his son did all the GM work while he was at the golf course?

Come on. Make up you’re mind.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Bill was GM in Carolina and Buffalo.

Funny enough, his son wasn’t involved inthe GM duties there because he wasn’t hired to be a GM in either of those places.

I’ll bet the same would have been true if Chicago had hired Bill as GM.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

and then bill

would hire is son as director of …. whatever and he do what he did in Indy

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, now you're just refusing to admit...

you wrong. This is getting funny.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW....

It should also be noted that Polian’s work in Indy got them a Super Bowl ring and a decade of dominance. I’d take Indy’s record over the last decade. So would every team not named Pittsburgh or New England.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

that colts roster isnt exactly full of talent

im just saying your criteria for the new gm isnt the most realistic. and that polian wouldnt take the job without his boy

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

So you know Polian then?

Tell me, what’s he like? When did he intimate to you that his son was his make or break bargaining chip? What was that conversation like?

I mean, he’s taken every other job but one without his boy. Funny how that worked. Who woulda thunk, right?

It must be nice to have all these inside sources and direct connections to guys like Polian and Jackson. How do you do it?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

its not easy

other teams werent lining up to get him either for some odd reason.

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

lol...nice sense of humor.

I’ll take it.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, the roster is on the downturn.....

And yet, Polian was hired in 1997 (after the draft. (Chris was promoted by Irsay, BTW, not his father…though you might want to know that since you’ve been attributing that to Bill, and it was Chris, not Bill, who preided over the drafts of guys like Donald Brown and Tony Ugoh)

Since 1998, look at the talent that’s been on that roster. And look at the record. You seem to be taking a very microscopic view of the Colts under Polian and applying it to his body of work.

Are you seriously arguing that one year makes his career? Cause the Colts just ran through the most wins of any team over a decade. I’m pretty sure they had plenty of talent.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

One other note about talent?

The Colts lost Manning, and everyone has pointed to that as the failure. But there somehow was missed the fact that the Colts lost 10 starters. Six defensive starters were lost and three offensive linemen to go with Manning.

The Bears went 1-5 without half their offense. The Colts went half their defense most of their offensive line and their superstar quarterback.

2-14 was about all that could be expected.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I agee.

Ever since Chris took over. Atlanta dodged a bullet.

Still doesn’t change the fact that the Colts were the winningest team of the last decade and they did it on the talent Polian provided.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And you still ignored the fact that the Colts had to lose nearly half the team to have....

their first sub-10-win season in 10 years.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Polian came aboard with

a 23-year old Marshall Faulk, a 24-year old Marvin Harrison, and the #1 pick in the draft… with Peyton the consensus #1 player available.

The Colts have had a great run, but starting your GM term with three sub-24-year-old 1st ballot Hall of Famers (and all of whom would go on to be extremely healthy for a long time), one of whom is a top 5 QB all time, is about as easy as it gets.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure....

Now explain Carolina and Buffalo.

I love it when people cherry pick what they want out of someone’s resume. Polian had nothing to do with taking Manning over Leaf. Or with Sanders. Or with Freeney. Or with Mathis. Or with Saturday. Or with James (rememebr that he got rid of Faulk, so it’s kinda disingenuous to use Faulk as a tick against Polian)

Come on.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he should have kept Faulk

He traded a 1st ballot hall of famer for Mike Peterson. Had he just kept Faulk and picked another position at #4 overall in the following draft, the next two non-RBs picked were Torry Holt and Champ Bailey. If you want to give Polian credit for not taking Ryan Leaf, fine, but being among the 60% who liked Peyton doesn’t make him special.

Polian gets a lot of love for the Year 2 Super Bowl run in Carolina, but he missed the playoffs in year 3 (Jacksonville, the other expansion team, made the playoffs in year 2 AND 3 and you never hear about that). In three drafts, Polian drafted one difference-maker (Muhsin), and didn’t exactly leave that organization in a good situation.

In Buffalo, Polian inherited a 23 year old Bruce Smith, a 22 year old Andre Reed, and a 26 year old Jim Kelly. Sound familiar? I give him credit for the Cornelius Bennett move, the Thurman Thomas pick, and in keeping that oline strong, but given 8 years, any GM not named Millen will make a handful of knockout moves. The selections of Sanders/Freeney/Mathis are the same thing.

Jerry Angelo had 10 drafts with the Bears, and came away with Tommie Harris, Lance Briggs, Devin Hester, Charles Tillman, and Matt Forte. Had he started with Manning/Faulk/Harrison, or Kelly/BruceSmith/Reed, I’m sure his stock would be high too.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Me thinks you could make finks look bad too.

He inherited Payton.

Infact, I could basically do what you just did for every single GM in history. Every one of them inherited a few players they built around.

So by your measure, there has never been a GM who deserves credit.

Sorry, Yao. We usually agree, but I think that’s just way off base.

You can make that sort of argument to discredit anyone in any line of work.

Bottom line is…..Polian is given credit for Buffalo by Marv Levy, who i believe has a great insight on the issue.

And his work in Carolina got him a Presidents job, which he then helmed a team to the decades best record.

You can twist and turn, but the fact are that teams he helmed were successful at a high rate.

Meawhile ton and tins of GMs have been hired and inherited great players, yet failed miserabley (see jerry angelo, Didn’t he inherit Urlacher, Booker, Kruetz, Colvin, Holdman, Tony Parish and Mike Brown? He should have been pretty damned successful.

Meanwhile you’re docking Polian for taking the worst team in the league (that’s why they had the top pick), making the smart pick in Manning and leading that team to the best record of the 2000’s.

Doesn’t wash, sorry.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Um
So by your measure, there has never been a GM who deserves credit.

That’s quite a stretch :) I said a GM who inherits three young Hall of Fame talents, including a QB, and with all of them staying healthy longterm, should be viewed within the context of the situation he entered. I can’t think of another example of a GM having that easy a start, can you?

I give Ted Thompson credit. Look at GB’s roster in 2004… the only player I see on there who is still a star is Cullen Jenkins.

Angelo inherited Urlacher and Kreutz. The others either went on to have injury issues and short primes, or were never elite talents to begin with. If you’d rather have Angelo’s start than Polian’s start in BUF or IND, fair enough, but I think you’d be in the extreme minority.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

I never said Angelo over Polian and I’m not sure where that Straw man was made.

But Polian didn’t have Manning OR KELLY. He drafted Manning and He was part of Buffalo’s staff (director of pro personnel from 1984 to his promotion) before taking over as GM. He’s credited with being instrumental to the signing of Smith, not inheriting him. He was a part of getting those young players in Buffalo.

He inherited one player he used in Indy. Harrison. He ditched Faulk and he drafted Manning himself.

And I agree that Thompson deserves credit. But let;s not pretend that he didn’t have a fantastic roster in 2004 just because eight years of turnover has taken place since. I mean, you’re discrediting Polian’s 13 years over one player who remained on the roster. But Thompson doesn’t get dinged for starting out with Favre and the rest of that roster?

Come on. Roster turnover happens everywhere. How great would Rodgers be if he had been thrown to the wolves immediately instead of maturing behind a Hall of Fame quarterback who owns every major record in the books? Look at Steve Young in Tampa and then after he matured behind Montana.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take this point by point

If you have the #1 pick and there is a consensus #1, and you take him, it’s not exactly a sign of superstar GMing. We’re talking monkeys with darts taking Manning more often than not. And Polian absolutely had Kelly already.

Polian’s first draft with Buffalo was 1986. Bruce Smith was drafted in 1985. Polian gets credit for signing Smith because he did sign Smith… when he was director of pro personnel, and not in charge of the draft.

Ditching Faulk is clearly a fair knock on Polian’s resume. Faulk for Peterson is one of the worst trades ever, and Polian made it. He would’ve been much better off with Faulk + Champ Bailey instead of Edgerrin + Peterson, but so it goes.

Thompson doesn’t get dinged for Favre because Favre wasn’t on the Super Bowl team, and Favre was 35 years old. Look at Favre’s QB ratings for the Packers after that: 70.9, 72.7, 95.7… that’s a completely different scenario than inheriting a 22 year old Peyton Manning who would be elite and completely healthy for 13 straight seasons.

Thompson drafted Rodgers knowing that Favre was there. You play the hand you’re dealt, and Thompson played it extremely extremely well.

As for the Angelo point:

Meawhile ton and tins of GMs have been hired and inherited great players, yet failed miserabley (see jerry angelo, Didn’t he inherit Urlacher, Booker, Kruetz, Colvin, Holdman, Tony Parish and Mike Brown? He should have been pretty damned successful.

That sounds like you’re comparing Angelo’s starting situation to Polian’s.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth...

You started out dinging Polian for having the Hall of famer Faulk on the roster, then Ding him because he didn’t.

And you might want to re-read my quote. I think the first line the says…..hired….inherited…yet failed.

You copied it yourself.

And as to Manning, Ryan was considered a viable option, was he not? So was trading the pick when you already have a quarterback who’s made the Pro Bowl, right?

You act as though your hindsight was their foresight, as well.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

These aren't realistic arguments

Jim Harbaugh was 34 years old and led his team to a 2-9 record the year before. Trading that pick was not an option.

As for Polian and Faulk, I said Ted Thompson inherited Cullen Jenkins even though he no longer owns him. The fact is, Polian had one of the greatest RBs in history in his lap and gave him away. If I’m a GM, and in my first season I have 12 23-year old future Hall of Famers, and I trade them all away… that’s not a wash. That’s a terrible job, and I should be judged based on what could have been had I just been average.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

BS.

trading that pick was absolutely an option and one that was widely discussed because of the haul Indy might have gotten for doing just that with two top QBs available.

Nobody was calling Faulk a future hall of famer in 1999. And Edgrerrin James gave the Colts similar production over the same number of years that Faulk gave the Rams. I spelled that out already.

Hindsight again. And Mike Mike Martz’s passing system.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

And, BTW, Favre was on the team for thomson's first five seasons.

You don’t think that means something? He was good enough to keep Rodgers on the bench, right?

You give Thomson props for playing the hand he’s dealt with a hall of fame QB in his pocket and another falling down the boards into his lap.

But you ding Thompson for drafting Manning. You don’t see the hypocrisy in that? Really?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Thompson took over in 2005

Brett was there until 2007, just three seasons.

In 2004, Brett Favre threw for 4000 yards with a 92 QB rating. Ted Thompson used a 1st round pick on a QB. That’s a little bit different than taking the consensus #1 at #1.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

three Years...Sorry.

I was stuck on that 2004 roster. Regardless, Rodgers fell in his lap. He was supposed to be a top 10 pick, remember? And he falls to the Pack because of a weird set of circumstances. They got lucky not smart. And then they sat him for three years behind a hall of famer they inherited to mature, kinda like Steve Young and Montana.

Your right. I can’t see how the Pack (or 40% of GMs) could have turned down a top 10 QB with the 24th overall pick. But apparently, according to you’re numbers, 40% of GMs would have chosen Ryna Leaf over Peyton Manning.

No credit, though.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

And that's where the debate ends!

When 40% of GMs are taking a 1st round QB with Brett Favre on the roster coming off a 4000 yard year.

Thank you everybody, goodnight!

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

lol.

I thought he was 35 and washed up?

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

So, Farve is...

35 and washed up when we’re talking about guys Thompson inherited. But when we’re talking about the obvious need to draft a QB, then Farve is the 4000 yard wunderkind. Awesome.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

And BTW, Faulk wasn't considered that special when he was traded.

He was considered a good back, but nobody was talking about Faulk and the Hall of Fame. indsight is great, though.

And they didn’t do to badly replacing him with Edgerrin James, who gave the Colts 12000 combined yards and 75 TDs in the next seven years after they traded Faulk. For the record…..Faulk put up 11000 combined and 85 TDs in the seven years he played for St Louis while Edge was running in Indy.

Let’s face it, if it weren’t for Martz’s offense, he could be sitting in Curtis Martin land right now.

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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

In Faulk's final year with Indy

he ran for 1319 yards, and caught 86 balls for 908 yards.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

And nobody was talking HOF. Matt Forte could have been very close to those numbers this year. Would people have been calling him a HOFer?

Is anyone calling CJ2K a HOFer?

Nope.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Think about this...

MJD? 1980 yards from scrimmage in 2011. And he’s been above 1600 for three straight years.

Hearing anyone talking HOF?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Or...

Ray Rice.. Over 2K yard in two of the last three years (including 2011) and has over 1700 in the third. HOF talk all over the place? You hearing it? I’m not.

How about Arian Foster? 4061 yards and 30 TDs in the last two years. Very Faulkish. No HOF buzz that I’m hearing. You?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

And think about this....

The previous guys running Buffalo and Indy weren’t exactly doing much with that talent, were they?

So, apparently you can fail with those guys on your team. Right? They did, in fact get fired, right?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

In fact....

That Buffalo team was built by Polian off of a team that he “inherited” enough talent from to go 2-14 in the two seasons prior to his firing. Sounds like the Bills were doing great things.

And the Colts had so much talent that they went 3-13 in 97 and 98 with all of that inherited talent.

Because the guy running the show shouldn’t get credit for making the right choices if you would have made the same ones in hindsight?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You've got some of that wrong

Polian’s first pick was Peyton in 1998. The Colts went 3-13 as Peyton struggled, but they were 13-3 a year later.

Polian’s first season in Buffalo was 1986. The Bills did go 2-14 the previous two seasons, but they didn’t have Jim Kelly, who was still stuck in the USFL. The USFL folded just before the 1986 season, and Polian had his QB.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO....

The Colts also went 3-13 in 97.

And yes, Polian did inherit Kelly. How does that change the fact that thre Bills wen’t 2-14 in the previous two years with the talent on the roster?

It doesn’t. Polian still took a 2-14 team, one of the worst in the league, and mad them a powerhouse. He was chosen as executive of the year for the league six times.

But hey. Ted Thomson didn’t inherit anyone.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Peyton Manning wasn't a Colt in 1997

And if you don’t see the value in adding a Hall of Fame QB, I don’t know what to tell you.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Just to clarify

You said

And the Colts had so much talent that they went 3-13 in 97 and 98 with all of that inherited talent.

Their first year with “all of that inherited talent” was 1998.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Manning wasn't inherited.

So, 1997 would be the first year. A poor GM might have traded the hindsight Hall-of-Famer’s pick. Or drafted Ryan Leaf. 60-40, which is your number and a bigger discrepancy than I remember, is not 100%, which means that 40%, a rather sizable number I think, would have chosen Ryan, then, right? Just checking.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course i see the value of drafting a HOF QB.

And Polian did that. No credit though, right?

Unless you’re inheriting a Hall of Famer you’ll then use for another four years while you let the other likely HOF QB that tumbled down the boards into your lap mature behind him. Then you get all the credit.

Do you remember the lead up to that draft? Do you remember the “Who are they going to pick: Manning or Ryan” stories? Because I do. And if it was such a easy decision, why was anyone asking? Funny enough, Polian made the right choice.

But you play the cards you’re dealt, right? You just only get credit for them if you are Ted Thompson. :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

You're making up arguments at this point

Inheriting Brett Favre at 35 = inheriting the #1 pick with a 22-year old Peyton Manning available. To me, those are completely different values of assets, but I guess you disagree.

by YaoPau on Jan 29, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I'm not.

But you are putting your fingers in your ears. The Pack inherited a 35 year old hall of famer that they continued to use for 3 years while they groomed the rookie future HOFer behind him that they lucked into with the 24th pick in the draft.

You can try marginalizing my argument, but I won’t sit by quietly.

You can considet them different. I do to. Thomson inherited HOF QB to train his lucked into HOF QB.

Meanwhile Pollian had to throw his HOF QB to the wolves right out of the gate.

Hindsight.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

In short, I'll use you're math methodology...

Inheriting Brett Farve at 35 to take you to the NFC championship game three years later while using him to ease in and groom the future hall of famer first round pick that luckily fall all the way out of the Top 10 to the 24th pick > inheriting a #1 overall in a year when despite your argument that Manning was the clear and only choice, two QBs were being argued over and nobody was sure who would or should be taken until the Colts announced Manning and then being forced to throw him to the wolves to develop rather than allowing him to be groomed for the NFL behind a Hall of Famer.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

And note that I actually....

Said 97’ and 98’ in the post you’re calling wrong.

But that;s exactly what they went in both years….3-13.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

With Faulk and Harrison and a pretty good QB in

Jim Harbaugh throwing them the ball.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

And how have the Chiefs drafts looked since Enery took over in '09 as CSD?

I mean, you’re arguing against the Colts former Pres who’s also the guy behind the Buffalo teams of four straight Super Bowls and the guy who got the Panthers to the Super Bowl faster than any other expansion team. Meanwhile you’re doing this in defense of the college scout for the Chiefs?

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, at least he's a hard worker.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

i havent been defending emery

i disagree with why your criticizing him and with polian who was unsuccessfully grooming his son

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't criticized Emery yet.

Not once. I said I’m worried about a guy who nobody is giving us any information about and I said I would have liked a hire with some experience.

And I suck at tiddlywinks, does that mean I can’t be a steelworker? Cause Polian’s son failing has about as much to do with Polian being a good GM as that.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Double sigh.....

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Bill was promoting his boy for years within the org

just for being his son. and his son fired a bunch of people including scouts who probably had something to do with all that success. irsay signed off on him being gm but im sure bill had nothing to do with it

by TR MacReady on Jan 28, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

So.....

where’d you come by this? Because everything I find has Irsay bringing up Chris because Bill wanted to pull back, and that it had some to do with the Falcons calling on Chris during their GM search and Irsay not wanting to lose him.

But I’m sure that had nothing to do with it.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Or At Least They Could Have Used Polian As A Consultant

to get a list of potential GMs rather than a list made up by Ted Phillips.

by Gaak on Jan 28, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Possibly, but...

As PR intensive as Philips is, I doubt that would have happened without a press conference.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Same attribute (hard worker)

Won’t necessarily end up with the same results.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree....

I’m just concerned that it’s really the only positive we’re getting on the guy. It’ concerns me that they can’t find anything else good to say about the new GM in Chicago.

I haven’t branded the guy yet. He could very well be the next Finks. But I just worry a lot about a guy that has no qualities they can publicly quantify beyond “He’s works really, really hard.”

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Here you go

Link…

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that should help some ......

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO!

Was that sarcasm dripping off that post, Midway?

Sometimes the things that set us to laughing are not what you would expect, but that one did. :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Me ??? No , never . Did you ever know that your my hero ? ( that might be though )

Just kiddin you Train ! You really is Da man !

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 28, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you mean to post that twice?

I read it below. But I’d honestly like to hear something specific from someone he’s worked for or with rather than the opinion of a beat writer (I know this is self incriminating, lol, but I don’t trust journalists to evaluate hires) for a rival team.

At least it’s something, though. I just feel like we’re so in the dark on a GM hire from a team that isn’t exactly sitting in a good place and who’s drafting over the last three years looks like it might be worse in the early rounds than Chicago’s, with the exception of Eric Berry.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I know its not much

but you asked for a description of him other than a hard worker or a grinder.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't mean it entirely

Posted down there, then saw your post.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

It's cool....I just wondered if If you meant to post something else and accidentally pasted the same link....

I might have done that a few time……….maybe. :(

Thanks, bro. :)

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

There are few other articles on the Trib

that do into more depth on background.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Give the Guy A Chance But

wasn’t Emery demoted while he was in Atlanta, and the Chiefs aren’t exactly postseason favorites the time he was there? Just airing out my doubts.

by Gaak on Jan 28, 2012 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

Yes.

I saw that too. But I haven’t been able to find out why he was demoted. There are definitely reasons coaches and staff et the short end beyond job performance (see Ron Rivera in Chicago). Emery may have rubbed someone the wrong way, and that wouldn’t bother me. It would be nice to know why.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Demoted because Atlanta hired a new GM

and the new GM wanted his own scouting director.

by YaoPau on Jan 28, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, buddy.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Another feather in the cap of Lion nation..

www.profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumors

Lions fan calls in bomb threat to Sean Payton during second half of playoff game to try and stop Saints from winning..wow

Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf

by tfrabotta on Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

Says it's a bad link, Bro.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Here.

I’ll try….LINKY!

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Pal..that is weird??

Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf

by tfrabotta on Jan 28, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The editors must have bumped the story up while you were moving the link.

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 28, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Blame it on 8 mile

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Leave Slim alone.

insert wild crying video here…….

in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.

by Timothy Hockemeyer on Jan 29, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully Emery isn't the Terry Shea of GMs

Please, this organization doesn’t need another fraud. Make or break time for Lovie and Phillips.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

Comment from the enemy to the north

Bob McGinn’s take on Emery. Pack beat writer.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 28, 2012 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

You sure McGinn's not sending out some disinformation

like pretending Emery is good but he really isn’t? He’s a Packers guy after all…

by Gaak on Jan 28, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

No

but based on the articles that I’ve read, his comments are consistent with what others have said.

Hard worker, great evaluator, college personnel expert.

"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct

by propheteer on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

George McCaskey

stated last summer that as long as the McCaskeys are in charge the Honey Bears will NOT return…..

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm....

maybe him and Ted Phillips are closer than we think…

Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf

by tfrabotta on Jan 29, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

kentbabb Kent Babb
Emery has a terrific resume, but his name came up staggeringly seldom with the Chiefs since he began here.
kentbabb Kent Babb
To this point: If Emery knocked on my door right know to ask directions to the QT, I wouldn’t think it was anyone other than a neighbor.
kentbabb Kent Babb
A factor regarding Pioli had as a first-time GM was the hype. Very rare fans are so fired up for a GM. Pioli a major exception.
kentbabb Kent Babb
For all I know, Emery could’ve been brains behind Berry/Lewis/Houston draft picks. Chiefs aren’t set up to highlight second-tier leaders.

"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."

- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line

by CloudyFuture on Jan 29, 2012 12:12 AM CST reply actions  

Everyone should be happy

The Bears didn’t hire Ruskell. The Angelo era is finally truly over.

Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.

by Gromowicz on Jan 29, 2012 9:00 AM CST reply actions  

Pleas guys...

Stop bemoaning the lack of attention to Bill Polian. He has shown no interest in being a GM again for years. (I’ve lived in Indy for almost 20 years.). BP had become part of the problem after Goofy Jim Irsay made him Vice Chairman. His kid Chris was GM. Although I think it’s a mistake to say Chris was doing all the work. Neither of them was getting “the work” done! A lot of people who tried suffered under Polian tyranny only to be fired by a new administration—which had no other real choice with the Colts in such disarray.

And the Polians would have been disastrous for the Bears.

PS Cutty with a bum thumb > A crippled Peyton

by Mdwymnstr on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

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