Breaking: Jerry Angelo out as General Manager of the Chicago Bears
by Dane Noble on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 AM CST
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PrintDetails are still coming out, but multiple reports are confirming that Jerry Angelo is OUT as the General Manager of the Chicago Bears. More details shortly...
Brad Biggs via Twitter: "George McCaskey took over nearly a year ago as chairman of the board & we could be seeing 1st major signs of organizational change".
Also according to Biggs, the team sent out an internal email this morning saying that Angelo was no longer with the team. We are still waiting to hear from Halas hall for the official announcement. Stay tuned...
TEAM UPDATE: "President and CEO Ted Phillips informed Jerry Angelo this morning he will not return as the team's general manager."
And from the team's official site: "No other changes will be made. That includes Lovie Smith, who will remain Bears head coach."
There will be a press conference at 4pm today at Halas Hall.
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I have a terrible suspicion that he’s been promoted to a new position to oversee Tim Ruskell as the new GM…
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
I like the "Lovie to GM / Angelo to HC" idea myself.
New GM, new HC, everybody wins!
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
You are a bad, bad man. Then again, it wouldn’t entirely surprise me if that happened…..
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Glad to see I have SOME rep around here.
You are a bad, bad man.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Let me fix that for you....
You are a bad, bad Orange Shy Guy
by David in Maine on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Better.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
ShyGuys are the unsung heroes of Mario.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
What about Doug Flutie as GM he was on the Bears squad for a few years
and follows the college players now.
It reminds of me when we traded for Cutler.
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Like a gameday thread here.
It’s Awesome.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
FINALLY MY WISH FOR THE YEAR BECAME TRUE!!!
I just found out this wonderful news after calling for this on here every week!!! I was jumping around the living room like we won the NFCCG.!!!!
"Most important thought, if you love someone, tell him or her, for you never know what tomorrow may have in store." ~ The Great Walter J. Payton.
Its a good day in chi town...!!!
I hope we can bring in a GM that can draft now.
Thank god!
But please, please don’t tell us Ruskell is the new GM.
I want Ruskell and everyone in charge of scouting thrown out of the building.
We have a pretty good head coach. He has his flaws, but he’s still better than most. Combined with the first experienced coaching staff he’s ever had to work with, they’ve taken a flat out pitiful roster to the NFC championship game, and to a 7-3 start this year before Jay’s injury.
Give Lovie some real friggin talent to work with, and we’ll have some winners for a while! Angelo has given us a pile of crap.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I get the feeling that this is a complete overhaul
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
nah not yet
I think if we miss playoffs next year then it’ll be a complete overhaul, sans Cutler, Peppers, maybe Briggs and Lach if he’s here
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No I mean in terms of management
I think Ruskell is out too.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
::tebowing::
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by ThorCo on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Now this is an appropriate time to Tebow
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
One step done
Thanks for the service Jerry, and thanks for Jay Cutler and Peppers.
As much as we detested most of your drafting and FA moves, you probably weren’t as bad as we thought.
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Doesn't take a genius to say "We should get Cutler and Peppers."
It’s the failure to build up depth and anything at other positions that proved his downfall.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I know
just thought I should give the guy props for getting them both, rather than sticking with the status quo
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Considering the alternative of neck beard and sex cannon
He HAD to do something.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
How many times in the last 20 years (regardless of GM) did "HAD to do something"
leave us with Rick Meier, Kordell Stewart etc etc.
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Should've gotten Warner
a few years back, before he went to Arizona. But they didn’t want to put that kinda “pressure” on Grossman, to think he wasn’t “our starting quarterback”.
how much of that was angelo vs. lovie?
this is the hard part in evaluating the GM/coach. who’s making some of the calls? i have a feeling lovie had a lot more say on some of the decisions (caleb hanie is fine as a backup QB, even though my OC thinks he’s terrible is the one that sunk our season) than we think. angelo didn’t draft great, so that’s on him. but things like not giving warner a chance to compete for the starter spot may have been on lovie, not angelo.
by guy incognito on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
If he would have drafted properly and Lovie would have developed properly
we wouldn’t have had to go after them in the first place.
It’s like saying thanks to my wife for buying a new car because she smashed the first one.
I'm certainly no football expert, but I really hope the job won't just be Jerry's protege.
I’d like a total regime change, but maybe that’s too much to ask for. Thanks for Jay Cutler, but don’t let the door hit you either.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions
First step good
Second step Ruskell? Bad…
And I don’t anybody named Polian either. Trust me, everybody in Indy knows—he’s a**hole living on long-past accomplishment. And attempted nepotism.
George, call Cowher! Talk him into it!
If it's Ruskell
Break out the Torches and Pitchforks!
by David in Maine on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
and sharp pointy things!
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 9:32 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
COMING TOMORROW: JERRY ANGELO'S TOP FIVE MOVES
… Gee, that’ll be a quick post.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST reply actions
“Refusing to work any harder” should be one of them.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Nah, I'll put some work into it.
We do not want to get into that handbasket, but I’m really going to be getting into the nitty-gritties of it.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Jay Cutler.
Devin Hester.
Julius Peppers.
Serious question: Urlacher and Briggs were his picks, yes?
There’s probably not a 5th.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'll expand to ten. That should be a challenge.
Urlacher was pre-Angelo.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Number ten is easy
Marcus Monk
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Let's just say it's a good thing I have a few beers left.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Arisee Curry
Dan Bauzin, Chester Adams
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
TE Bryan Fletcher
DL Tron LaFavor
RB Brock Forsey
WR Bryan Anderson
LB Leon Joe
DL Claude Harriott
QB Craig Krenzel
DB Alfonso Marshall
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm doing the BEST MOVES piece.
NOT WORST.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Apologies
you said Angelo…this is what I came up with
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Ooo, ooo, great idea though that’d be a long post. Long.
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I'd do it, but it would take two weekend slots, and I actually want people to READ my stuff.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Michael Haynes....wait...sorry
this exercise isn’t working
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
You could make a graphical spreadsheet.....
Green for starter, yellow for stayed with Bears for three years, Orange for NFL for 4 years, Red for all else
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
You could start with almost every pick in every draft.
Long, lllooonnngggggg post.
Tag each player if starter and years played. Won’t be pretty.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Hey now
Brock Forsey is a GOD!
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At least he was
in my Madden 2004 franchise mode, after Jones went on IR during the 2005 season.
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How the bears got rid of a guy named Tron is beyond me.
Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."
by Ditkavsworld on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed. The guy has "potential" written all over him
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice, that is how you do things around here sir, WRECKED
Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."
by Ditkavsworld on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
His 1 Pro-Bowler on Offense
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
didn't Cedric Benson go to a probowl...
For the Bengals?
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by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Can you make 5?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Probably.
Hence, ten. I like a challenge.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
a challenge is one thing
this is mission impossible
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Well, if I'm not here tomorrow, you'll know why.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Cause Tom Cruise convinced you
to get into the closet with him
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hahahahaha
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Banned.
I’ve NEVER been in the closet.
Wait what?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Tom Cruise and Steven Schweickert are stuck in the closet....
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because you self destructed? yes i said destructed
Angelo was fired so I receive a gimmie
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
::Hits myself with keyboard with JOY!::
OH HAPPY DAY!!!
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"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Is 9:29 am too early to start drinking?
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Sorry for double post!
And, what about Bill Polian?
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
When I get off work
I’m busting out a bottle of Asti in celebration
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No
He hasn’t. His draft record is just as bad as Angelo’s, as evidenced by the fact that he lost his QB and his team barely won 2 games this year. Same problem that’s plagued the Bears. So no, that won’t help. We need a real GM.
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Dont stop there George, Ted has got to go too....
Then bring in Bill Polian to run the show in a Theo like role
by JB 23 on Jan 3, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No
Polian sucks
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by LRT on Jan 3, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
When he enters the HOF, let him know....
He might be the most successful / respected GM in NFL in the past 40 years.
Colts fans don't like Polian
and his arrogant and stubborn ways. He isn’t Theo in any means. You saw what the Colts are like without Manning.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
HALLE-F'N-LUJAH
Don’t be an idiot and even think about Polian, let’s go find a GM that knows how to draft. Let’s get ready to win a SB within 3 seasons. Let’s Bear Down.
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Polian drafted Manning
Why he doesn’t get credit for bringing a winner to Indy for over a decade is beyond me
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
No debate there
He drafting Manning. He also drafted guys that can’t operate without Manning. See: everyone on the Colts.
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Yea
I have to agree, drafting the greatest qb, got him 10 years. drafting nobody else, got him fired
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Wait what....
I don’t feel drunk…
Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."
I did not expect that
Figured Angelo would have one last year.
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Hope that sends a message to the coaches that the Bears need to win now
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Let's wait and see who gets the job
I LOVE that McCaskey has made a move, even if it ends up being Ruskell it’s a good sign for the Bears…I just don’t want Ruskell because he and Jerry are no different.
Never happy to see somebody lose their job
Thanks for everything, Jerry, but it was obviously time for a change.
This isn't like some poor slob who got caught in a layoff
the Bears have made Angelo a millionaire and will continue to pay him for 2 more years and several more million.
You guys saying that Polian is bad are nuts
Are you really basing that guys track record on one bad season? I’d rather have one horrid year that allows me to rebuild after a decade of winning then what the Bears just got through doing. How would the #1 pick look right now instead of #19?
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Brad Biggs story
The Bears sent out an internal email Tuesday morning announcing that Angelo, who had a contract through 2013, is no longer with the organization. The decision came two days after the Bears finished 8-8, the fourth time in five seasons the franchise has not reached the playoffs.
…
The club has yet to announce a move and until chairman of the board George McCaskey has been heard from, speculation will be that the removal of Angelo might just be the first in a series of moves. When business ended Monday, it appeared only the fate of offensive coordinator Mike Martz was in serious doubt. Now, everyone’s future is in question as a new general manager could bring with him a new coach.
…
While Angelo pulled off a bold trade to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler in 2009, his drafts have failed to strengthen the organization. First-round draft picks have delivered little and even on defense most of the core players were brought in through free agency or were drafted for a different coaching staff.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
by Spongie on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oh boy
Looks like George McCaskey was serious in being all about Super Bowls. This could get VERY interesting.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Accountability from the top
::tears of joy::
WHY COULDN’T YOU HAVE TAKEN OVER YOUR BROTHERS SPOT SOONER GEORGE!!
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Okay....
now maybe Lovie is gone and we hire Jeff Fisher?
by HalasHallHeadcase on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 AM CST reply actions
Don't can Lovie.
Give him someone that can draft and he’ll win. Lovie is probably the main reason we’ve gotten anywhere with a lot of the castoffs we’ve had. These guys play their hearts out for him.
Now…can Drake ASAP!
by Virto on Jan 3, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and take shane day with him
however, maybe now it sends the message that no one’s job is safe
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
+ 1 !!!!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
That's dumb, Fisher hasn't been that much more accomplished than Lovie recently.
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by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
YEEEEAAAAHHHH BUUUUDDDDYYYY!!!!
George McCaskey showing he’s the boss! And I also have a strong suspicion that since Jerry Angelo has been FIRED, Tim Ruskell will NOT be the new GM, given that Ruskell would have taken over only if Jerry Angelo were to retire and name Ruskell his successor. Since George McCaskey decided to fire Jerry Angelo, it is highly unlikely Ruskell will even be staying with the Bears, and the expectation should be either they bring in someone from the outside, or George McCaskey takes over himself.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM CST reply actions
This guy is an idiot and I don't even know who he is.
Russellmania980 Chris Russell
Wow Jerry Angelo out in Chicago, team was in #NFC Championship less than a year ago. Owners & fans sooo over reactionary
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
obviously he's not a golfer
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
lol
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
The NFC Championship is not the issue here
Dude.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Donny....
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
you’re out of your element
Fix the Offensive Line
by touchdown bears on Jan 3, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
WTF? 'Over reactionary'
Never heard that one before – got a nice post-modern ring to it.
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
Definitely has a
“I have never heard of college” ring to it.
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Ha! That too
I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus
Someone show him the
missing playoffs 4 out of 5 years stat…or the drafting records
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WOWWWWW!!!! I'm actually shocked by this but not in a bad way.
I just never thought the McCaskeys would have the balls to do it. What I’m scared of is that Ted Phillips is still here.
As of right now that is
However, there is now speculation that nobody’s job is safe, and that Ted Phillips could be next. George McCaskey wants things done HIS way, and that seems to be the winning way.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
This has a lot of Ricketts feel to it.
Take over, assess internally, watch a season (or two), strike.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Definitely
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I'm shocked.
Although it’s bad news for my Lions if true, it’s also really good news for a really storied franchise that these fools might not be allowed to destroy it any longer. Make it so.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Finally, there is hope, and please no more back door crap. NO RUSKELL.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 AM CST reply actions
Ruskell will not be the GM
He was chosen to be the successor to Jerry Angelo when he retires, not when he was fired. Given the organization got rid of Jerry Angelo, anyone associated with Jerry Angelo is likely to be gone in terms of the front office. The coaching staff may remain as is, but the management above is to be completely changed.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
According to whom?
He was chosen to be the successor to Jerry Angelo when he retires, not when he was fired.
I'm a ninja.
ECD’s wishful thinking, of course!
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Actually its more of a rumor most spoken from the Chicago Tribune
At least 2 writers believed Jerry Angelo chose Ruskell to be his heir apparent if Jerry were to leave on his own terms. I believe DaBears33 has those names and links
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
And why would I want Ruskell to take over?
I’d rather have Jerry Angelo than Tim Ruskell…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Tony Dungy?
Regarding Polian, I can’t tell if the last few years of the Colts’ ineffective drafting is Polian or him relinquishing control to others, including his son. I’d be hesitant to hire him. Also, as an Illini and Bears fan forced to live in Indianapolis since 2004, I can tell you that Polian isn’t well liked or respected around here.
I think Tony Dungy may be interesting. He’s said he doesn’t want to coach, but I think the door to him being a GM is open. He and Lovie have a connection and history. Dungy is well respected around the league, and I don’t think he’ll accept anything other than success.
Yep, replying to myself
670 THESCORE’s Bears beat writer (one of them) stated that he’s trying to confirm a rumor that Bill Polian was only fired because Jim Irsay (Colts’ owner) asked Bill to fire his son, Chris Polian, and Bill wouldn’t do it. So, both were gone.
The writer also stated Tony Dungy could be a horrible GM because he has no history of doing it, and nobody knows if he can accurately evaluate talent. Fair enough.
Same reason I wouldn’t want Ditka brought in. Meatball humour aside, what evidence is there that he would be any good as a GM? Ricky Williams isn’t a good example.
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Ricky WIlliams was drafted in 1999
In the same year Da’Coach traded big to get Williams, the Bears picked:
1) Cade McNoun
2) Russell Davis
3) Rex Tucker
3) D’Wayne Bates
4) Warrick Holdman
4) Rosevelt Colvin
5) Jerry Wisne
5) Jerry Azuma (Pro Bowl kick returner one year)
6) Rashard Cook
7) Sulecio Sanford
7) Jim Finn
I would trade the entire Bears 1999 draft for Ricky WIlliams (who is still in the league)
In fact if you look at that draft, there are very few teams that you wouldn’t trade the entire draft for Ricky Williams.
That hardly supports the case for Ditka being a good first-time GM, though. We’d trade most Bears drafts of that era for a pizza.
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A Roma Pizza
with three slices of pepperoni
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by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Typical Bears draft
Busts through the first 3 rounds, 3 useful players (Holdman, Colvin, Azuma) in the middle rounds.
I like it!
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by Joeb'n777 on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
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No doubt about it, Bears firing Angelo is stunning, bold and a clear sign somebody at Halas Hall (George McCaskey) is as fed up as fans.
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couldn't agree more
the GM should be AS, if not more, fed up than fans. When nickname of recent is monsters of mediocrity, it’s time for change
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Then we'll end up with no draft and one 1st overall pick
on a RB
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
See my previous post
That was, at least, a league average draft for the Saints.
Compared to who we got that year, trading all of them for WIlliams would have been the steal of the draft… FOR US.
DITKA~!!
i know it sounds “meatballish” but why not higher Mike Ditka for GM? I mean this in the most non meat ball way possible.
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Because he wouldn't make a good GM.
Even bears fans should know that.
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
absolutely a fail pick for gm
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
I think he’s been outta it for too long, plus he had some good GM’s here for his first few seasons.
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buhhh DITKA!
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lol
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You're right...It does sound meatballish:-)
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
ditka ditka ditka
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Let's be mature fans about this
85 is a long time ago. Let’s leave that era where it is and move forward with some real football guys that’s done this before.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Agree with this
it’s time for this generation to have it’s own SB
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
DITKA DITKA DITKA RARARARA
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also, he wasn't that good of a coach
to have all that young talent and only make it to one superbowl tells you he wasn’t all that great. reality is reality. ditka was a legendary player, but his coaching legend is largely a myth. he wasn’t bad…but he wasn’t great.
by guy incognito on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Whoa there hoss.
Never say this again…
he wasn’t that good of a coach
Unless you are referring to Wanny et al…
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by Ditkavsworld on Jan 3, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Ditka "wasn't that good of a coach"?
You, sir, are voted off the island.
Yes, anybody who trades their entire draft
for Ricky Williams is a good candidate in my book.
I'd hire him twice, just make sure I got him
has winner written ALL over it
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
The meatballs are out in force
Ditka would be a disaster.
BTW, “higher” Ditka??? Really.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Really, you didn’t get the irony?
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
A Ricky Williams joke?
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
State of the commenter?
;)
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah and we should make Hampton
Director of player personnel and Mango the defensive line coach. Hell, lets have Otis Wilson coach the LBs and Dent play in Izzy place!
NO.
Ditka for president, ok this meatballish, but fun to say.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions
should have been an open thread party
with a “best of” post a week later…this alone makes up for the 8-8 season
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
LaurenceWHolmes Laurence Holmes
Quote from an Angelo draft pick: “They (management) are clowns at times” and no I’m not going to say who…
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Claude Harriot
is that you?
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JD Runnels maybe
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
And what's good ole Derek Kinder up to these days?
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
It's a lot of behind the scene stuff that went down here
Something tells me that George has had this in the plans for a while
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Only a clown wouldn't have two backup QBs in this league
See Houston as for reasons why.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 11:06 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
looking like a full overhaul is in the makings
BradBiggs Brad Biggs
#Bears matched a new GM (Angelo) with an existing coach (Jauron) in 2001 and that didn’t work so well.
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Now who is gonna inform Ted?
skjensen Sean Jensen
#Bears statement: “President and CEO Ted Phillips informed Jerry Angelo this morning he will not return as the team’s general manager…”
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to be a fly on that wall
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I want Phillips out too
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Wow, was not expecting this
Going to be a very interesting offseason….
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[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
How about we gets a new GM from
Green Bay or Pittsburgh…those are two teams that draft solid regularly.
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I like your idea and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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by Spongie on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I deliver it
by hiring Steven Schweickert to hide in your laundry room and place it in your clean pants pocket
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I would think I would know if I were hired to stealthily deliver newsletters, good sir ThorCo.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't you get the memo?
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Did Dragic?
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
apparently not
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I'd rec this, but I'm on the mobile
by Midway Bully on Jan 3, 2012 2:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, I snuck into his laundry room to deliver it but Orange Shy Guy doesn’t seem to wear pants.
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by Spongie on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd think the robe/hood thing would have pockets
but no…wonder where he keeps his keys
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HEY.
The robe covers that, thank you very much!
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe that's what I WANT you to think!
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Hope they look at
reggie mckenzie packers director of football operations….raiders have been on him for 3 months to come down there but he doesnt want go due to family….Doesnt want to move them…..Dimteroff atlanta
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Green Bay is closer to Halas Hall
than Oakland
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This could mean a lot of things.
New GM’s don’t like to come in with HC that they don’t pick. If Lovie is let go, we’re in rebuild mode.
If Lovie is retained, we could have a hard time luring a quality GM to Chicago.
We’ll have to see.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM CST reply actions
I think the new GM should have his say of who he wants coaching the team.
Aren’t we in a rebuilding mode anyway with the lack of depth on this team?
I agree completely with your statement of attracting someone good if he’s told he has to retain Lovie. If he has the option and decides to let Lovie remain for another year with a mandate of win or else, that’s okay but I’d rather see us start over from a team leadership perspective and put all the players on notice that the new organization will not tolerate mediocrity. That doesn’t mean we can’t compete next year with the proper moves, look at the 49ers.
Depth can b gotten with proper picks and free agent pickups
Theres no rebuilding. If anything we’re reloading. We need a wr,backup lbs, and corner de and ot. All that can easily be had with a competent gm
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WoW stunned
Wonder if he was fired or not…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
I think he was
It’s Armageddon
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Yep
Score just said he was fired….Phillips informed Aneglo he was not returning as Bears GM this morning…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Wow! I get on WCG expecting to see the Den...
and this joyously slaps me in the face…. It’s gonna be a good day :)
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by Joeb'n777 on Jan 3, 2012 9:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Um, the Den's still there.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I believe the world for most of us
now orbits this page and news only relating to canned Angelo, my favorite mid-morning snack.
If its free, take two.
It is a good day already, I have waited for awhile for this to end. The past drafts, and signings had to go at a point.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST reply actions
FauxTrentDilfer Faux Trent Dilfer
Jerry Angelo is out as #Bears GM. Injured offensive linemen and bad DBs all throughout the NCAA weep today.
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by David in Maine on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
don't forget the
5’10 175 pound DEs
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and the 5'9 corners who can't bench press 225
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
and every pool jumper
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by suckmyditka on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And every single player with "potential"
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
4 kegger at my house tonight
rsvp immediately.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
ya know, I like Lovie, but
I wouldn’t be completely opposed to completely rebuilding…
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This is a very big shock
And OMG I couldn’t be happier about it. Thank you Mr. McCaskey for making this move! I just hope we find a good quality replacement. Bravo.
"And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed."
Lovie to stay, according to Bears
Press conference at 4pm. Link
No other changes will be made. That includes Lovie Smith, who will remain Bears head coach.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
we'll see
it all depends who they bring in as GM
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I'm sure they'll hire a like minded GM like this
“It’s your job, but Lovie stays, welcome to Halas Hall, I’m sure we understand each other”
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
They only have to deal with Lovie til 2013.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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No other changes?
as in Martz and Drake stay?
Bleh
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It probably only means
at the high levels of the org. Assistants and position coaches are probably fair game.
Sounds like Ruskell will be staying then.
Hope I’m wrong
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
skjensen Sean Jensen
Ted Phillips may have informed Jerry Angelo. But this move has chairman George McCaskey’s fingerprints all over it.
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
It does force Phillips to be the "Bad Guy" in the scenario...
Even if George ordered “the hit”.
by GentlemanJack on Jan 3, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
this
nothing is complete until Phillips is gone.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Why
He doesn’t handle day-to-day operations. The only thing you could say is that he left Angelo in, but Angelo’s teams would tread water a few years and then be successful…hard to get too mad at that.
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I'm okay with Phillips staying
because this is obviously a McCaskey move and puts others on notice that we need to be more consistently successful.
If its free, take two.
Toub set to interview with Fins
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
you mean the ones that say
“I’ma f*ckin Moron”
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I want a custom one
with the number of 1st rounders he drafted that are still in the league
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or the players drafted
still playing their original postion
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Dear God, Please send us Bill Cowher
Give him the GM/HC combo he wants and bring him and his ugly chin to town. I want a coach who does not look lost on the sidelines and always has the chance of kicking a player’s a$$ on the sidelines when he does something stupid.
by Bears fan in abstentia on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions
Source please.
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As for GM
When he has been mentioned as a poss candidate for other jobs, most recently JAX, talk always involved some GM duties (check rumors on profootballtalk.com bleacherreport.com, …)
Again this is just a dream for me and all rumor.
by Bears fan in abstentia on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Why all the Bill Cowher love?
im not to big on the guy…it took 15 years as a head coach to win a super bowl…i think if u give Lovie 15 years he’ll will one
^ This
It’s because Cowher is in-your-face and seems aggressive. Lovie is stoic and stone-faced. People don’t seem to get that a HC doesn’t need to be a Schwartz-hole on the sidelines to win.
I would be willing to bet that the best coaches are closer to Lovie's personality than Schwartz/Ditka types.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Tom Landry
Joe Gibbs
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I'm not saying they're aren't successful assbag coaches, but still...
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'm agreeing with you?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
its cool lol
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Lol...Schwartz-hole. That's great
by lock'em down on Jan 3, 2012 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Coulda found his HC job in a crackerjack box....
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Not convinced myself, but in terms of track record
Between Cowher and the Steelers’ front office, they did a good job of drafting and developing talent to remain competitive. We’ve missed four of the last five postseasons, though Lovie phrases it as having made one of the last two…
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by T.J. Shouse on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I think this could possibly crash SBNation
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I’m ok with Lovie staying, for one more year, give him some talent and lets see what he does with it.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions
If Chicago had a qb in 2005 and good rex throughout 07
they would be a dynasty
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Thats the other good news with this
Lovie’s gonna be on a short leash in terms of success next year.
If its free, take two.
I agree...
Lovie has kinda grown on me as I’ve come to realize the pile of suck Angelo gave him to work with. And he has the locker room and his players want to play for him. Yeah, his voice is annoying, and he needs better clock management/challenge skills. But he wins with mostly crap, twist ties, and duct tape. Case and point NFC Championship game last year.
Ruskell and the entire college talent evaluation team needs to go with Angelo. Fresh set of eyes on everyone and every position is exactly what this team needs to wash the stain of koolaid off a lot of the roster and get real. Maybe we finally have a McCaskey in charge who wants to win?
by Ortons Neckbeard on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Lovie is lucky that he's surrounded by good scapegoat candidates
Like JA and Martz.
Now he buys himself a season or two to prove he’s truly a good coach.
I’m still of the opinion he’s a great “players’ coach” and a horrible game manager.
Why couldn’t this have happened earlier, anyway? It’s screwed up that this came right after JA’s first arguably good offseason. But it didn’t turn out to be good since he decided not to bother finding a capable backup QB for yet another season.
only problem is
everybody except Martz thought Hanie was a good backup…hell I even wanted him to eventually start before we traded for Cutler…but he bombed out soooo bad, so that can’t be placed totally on Jerry
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Sure it can
If the guy you hired to run the offense says the backup QB you provided is crap, you listen to him. There was no incentive in keeping an undrafted free agent other than a cheap contract.
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Martz proclaimed his dislike of Hanie
in training camp 2010. There was no reason to keep Hanie if the guy you just brought in to run the offense doesn’t think he fits the offense going to be run.
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Someone should have listened to Martz
I’m in the minority in that I think Martz should be allowed to have complete control over the offense, and that he should be given at least one more season to make this work. You can’t make something work when you’re handicapped in important personnel decisions by your GM, and prevented from making changes by your HC.
Or was it the GM handicapped by Martz?
Roy Williams, Josh McCown etc etc. were brought in because they had previously played in Martz’s system, not necessarily for their proven talent in recent seasons. Sure McCown turned out alright, and I think REW was mediocre, but would Angelo have acquired someone else if Martz’s system wasn’t “too complicated” for others?
Just playing devils advocate. I’m glad as hell Angelo’s gone.
E.F.K.
I'm glad too
I can’t be too sure because I’m not there in camp, during practice, in the film rooms, etc… but I think it’s possible too much is made out of this “complicated offense” thing. I go by looking at it… it doesn’t look any more complicated than Ron Turner’s offense, or really any other offense. Unless there are 200 plays that go completely unused but are learned anyway.
But Mart did not like Hanie from day one, and the FO should have taken note of that.
Hanie failing is on Lovie, not Martz
(or Angelo, for that matter). Martz made it clear he didn’t think Hanie could cut it. Martz was right. Lovie staying with Hanie for a few too many games literally cost us the playoffs this year. There’s no way Martz should be fired over Lovie. I get frustrated with him, but honestly, the offense was rolling before Cutler got hurt. Also, for all the talk about him being pass-crazy, we put up 2k yards on the ground.
by guy incognito on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
I like Martz.
Lovie is to blame for the failures of this team down the stretch due to:
1) his reluctance to make a change at QB.
2) his inability to make adjustments during halftime in close games.
And one more thing
3) his choice to go with the “prevent defense” against Denver.
You're right
It had absolutely nothing to do with the players shitting the bed running the defense that they’ve all been playing for years.
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Of course that was part of it
But the buck is supposed to stop with Lovie. A 5 game slide is inexcusable, especially with players making the same mistakes repeatedly, game after game. Even with injuries, 2 of those games were absolutely winnable.
Apparently
The buck stopped at Lovie, he slyly slid it over to Jerry, and here we are.
If its free, take two.
My response was solely to number 3
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So we still don't know what will happen w/ Martz...
skjensen Sean Jensen
#Bears will retain coach Lovie Smith, who will continue to evaluate his staff.
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I'm thinking
If Ruskell was gonna get the job they’d have said it in the release. An Angelo firing means his pal likely means no immediate Ruskell promotion.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST via Android app reply actions
That's what I've been trying to say
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Sean Jensen's report
Angelo’s time with the Bears … will go down as a mix of on-field success and front office missteps… A botched draft-day trade with the Baltimore Ravens, the failure of free agent signings Chester Taylor and Brandon Manumaleuna, (which cost the McCaskey family about $12 million for nearly no production) and the arrest of receiver Sam Hurd on federal drug distribution suspicion were the latest examples. Eventually, those things pile up.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
That's just in the past year
He neglected to mention things from the failure of every single first round draft pick all the way back to the Warrick Holdman checkbox.
Angelo is a mediocre GM who became a terrible GM about 3 or 4 years ago. This move is long since overdue. If they bring in some Lovie sycophant things will not get better. Coaches should not pick their GM.
We need to start over as the Cubs did. We are completely outclassed on the roster by 2 teams in our division. There is only 2 roster spots (RB and RDE) where we are stronger than the Packers on the starting offense or defense. You can’t just keep putting a patch on things because the coach wants to save his job rather than rebuild the right way.
“…were the latest examples”
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by Spongie on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say the Lions outclassed us on the roster.
I’d rather be mediocre than the atrocity the Lions have been for the last 10 years.
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
but the Lions dis a great job over the last 2 years, evaluating talent.
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by Claudio Oliveira on Jan 3, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Sure.
But when you have #1, #2, and #5, all of whom we consensus picks all you can do is take them and hope they pan out. Everyone in the league would have taken those guys if available.
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
That was my first thought
But the team is still possibly run by cheapskates, so…
They'll pay whoever they draft.
The bigger issue is drafting someone worth paying. That was Angleo’s major failing.
But the Bears need to make shrewd, possibly costly FA acquisitions
This team can’t become a league power through one draft, and this team has the core to build into a league power.
I agree
and the Bears have shown recently that they’re willing to make big money FA moves.
The bottom line is this: the window of opportunity for a lot of these guys is closing. They have a year, maybe two, to really have a chance to win it all. The Bears NEED to start drafting development players that they don’t automatically red shirt or dump on the practice squad.
I’m not sure a team who handed out massive contracts to the likes of Tommie Harris, Vasher, Hester and Peppers (albeit not all of them wisely) can really be regarded as cheapskates, and that’s even less likely to be the case when the salary cap floor kicks in.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Nope not cheap
just idiots
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
They have to have marquee players because they're a marquee franchise
So there will inevitably be a few big contracts, but they’ve always stayed pretty well under the cap, and their cheapness shows in having an UDFA and a 324028934th round pick as backup QBs going into this season.
That and never bothering to spend on the OL.
They overcompensate
By spending big on a few guys, but then don’t spend the money where it’s truly needed.
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JA needed to go before he got Cutler killed, hopefully we see him getting some help.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM CST reply actions
That was a
combination of Angelo handling of the OLine and mike martz…..Think this means martz is not returning then….Would be my guess but who knows…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 3, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I bet it's up to Lovie
He seems to have the power over the staff. And I’m fine with Lovie making these types of decisions, but he needs to be held accountable for his staff going forward.
Even Forte has stated
that it would be stupid to replace Martz. You will likely see offensive production fall off, especially now that Cutler was comfy in the offense.
No additional changes to be made?
Does this mean Ruskell will promoted to GM? Oh god….
by Ortons Neckbeard on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM CST reply actions
No
Technically, no additional changes means Ruskell would stay in his current role.
More likely, that was in reference to the positions of team president and head coach—two positions that often change when a GM change is made.
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This may also mean that they already have someone in mind for the GM job
And that it will not be Ruskell, but perhaps someone else from within the organization. If the HC is indeed to be retained, then it shouldn’t be out of the question to see George McCaskey take over all GM responsibilities.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
it shouldn’t be out of the question to see George McCaskey take over all GM responsibilities.
?
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
and Jerry Jones
should have stuck to oil and hired a real GM to run his team.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
^^
This. George McCaskey has never been responsible for evaluating rosters and making draft selections and FA acquisitions, yet he could step in and run the team?
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
To be fair
While I’m sure he could be terrible at it, how much worse would he be versus Jerry, who seemed to barely understand the scouting process?
If its free, take two.
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by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
It's definitely rare
But to already see an announcement directly from Halas Hall that Lovie Smith shall remain as the HC, and to see this move being completely tied with George, topped off with the fact George is HCoB, perhaps we could see a Jerry Jones or Al Davis type take-over, where George would be making all personell decisions.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Dude, I’m fairly certain they test for illicit drugs in the armed forces.
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Burned...
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Might keep him around through the draft
It would be hard for a new GM to come in without having the benefit of all the scouting reports and whatnot that Ruskell and his staff accumulate over the season. My guess is that unless the new guy can “borrow” his draft info from his former team, he’ll pick Ruskell’s brain and then kick him out the door.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Guess my biggest concern
right now is ruskell being made GM…..But considering that Angelo was fired cant see that making sense…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
I don't think he will
they probably would have announced it…
Now, if they can’t get the GM they want, whether it be contract issues or not wanting to be paired with a coach not of their choosing, I can see them hiring Ruskell to be GM for a season, then cleaning house entirely to start over
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Are we gonna get an
overflow “jerry’s out” open thread – I need to properly convey my feelings using foul language and adult situations.
If its free, take two.
Hmm
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HOW DARE YOU PATRIONIZE ME
YOU SON OF A MOTHERLESS GOAT
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Motherless goat.....
So devil spawned I take it? I never figured out how you get the goat….
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if George McCaskey could be taking over all GM responsibilities?
To make an announcement that Lovie Smith will remain as the HC, and to see this move have George’s fingerprints all over it, perhaps he could be taking over all operations.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions
I doubt it. I think you're reading WAY too much into that statement. Lovie is staying but for now but who knows what the next G.M wants. If the goal was to fire Angelo to maybe bring in Polian.....
Then I can see Lovie staying, especially since he’s from Dungy’s coaching tree. But again, who knows who the next G.M will be and I doubt George will be the GM. Besides he has no experience in that field. He ran the ticketing department until he was made the Chairman.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
This is certainly a big surprise, isn't it?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah for now though. For God's sakes Jim Caldwell still has a job even though the Polians promoted him.
The next G.M of the Colts will more than likely fire him. Same instance here most likely. The next legitimate G.M will evaluate Lovie and most likely let him go. It’s not out of the question to see him back but new leadership almost always brings in their guys.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Normally new leadership is brought to teams with losing records, though
I won’t be surprised to see Lobie Smith stay as the HC, given how a bad GM and injuries killed his team.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Oh c'mon! Lovie* Smith >.<
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't matter. New management almost always brings in "their" guys.
Lovie was responsible for keeping his team in the race and he failed to do so. He stuck with Hanie as the starter and his defense crapped themselves at the worst times. Failure to make half-time adjustments, an itchy trigger finger with personnel i.e benching Jennings and letting Bowman get abused are on Lovie and his staff.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
And I shall raise a white flag to you and Spongie lol
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
and see a McCaskey
do real work? I don’t buy it haha
by HalasHallHeadcase on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't make sense to keep Lovie Smith if the new GM does not wants him.
the head coach reports to the general manager, not the other way around.
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No Other Changes?
That statement that no other changes will be made….is now gone from the website.
It is?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.
I’m guessing Ruskell, Shane Day and Martz won’t be returning.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Now reads:
Bears President and CEO Ted Phillips informed Jerry Angelo Tuesday morning that he will not return as the team’s general manager for the 2012 season.
Angelo was hired in 2001 and led the Bears to four division titles, two NFC Championship Game appearances and a Super Bowl appearance in his 11-year tenure as head of football operations.
Lovie Smith will remain as head coach and will continue to evaluate his coaching staff.
The team will hold a press conference today at 4 p.m. (CT) in the Halas Hall theatre.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
Guess we all should expect the nonexpected over the next few hours
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Intriguing find...
Thanks for sharing.
That’s much more significant than if they hadn’t made a comment about further changes at all.
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
Consider?
I’d drive up there right now and bring him to Halas Hall if it meant him accepting. I’d even stop at MARS Cheese Castle along the way if that’s what he wanted.
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Very likely the next head coach for your Chicago Bears!
Send Peppers
He’ll get him down here one way or another.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Just don't send Hanie to copilot.
He couldn’t engineer a drive to save his life.
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Very likely the next head coach for your Chicago Bears!
by emdub on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I swear, driving up that way, all you see is Mars and adult book stores.
But if they would like to interview McKenzie, are they forced to wait until after GB is knocked out of the playoffs?
For certain.
Even if it’s not a league mandate, common courtesy says don’t dip into another team’s coffers until they’re open for business.
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Very likely the next head coach for your Chicago Bears!
YES
Get that man a job with the Bears RIGHT NOW
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Rumor has it
Teams out West have wanted him for a while and he is open to walking, but he doesn’t want to leave GB because he has established roots there for his family. Chicago is close enough that he could very likely take the job without causing much static in his life.
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apparently
He’s friends with Lovie as well…. pop to NFLN.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Why?
Aside from your Lovie-hate, what’s the issue?
GB has clearly shown ability in the front-office. We could potentially take something away from them and use it to bolster us.
Because I want someone who will look at this from a business/football perspective and not have the
baggage of possibly having to fire “a friend”.
Just like any other business, it has to be about results and nothing else. Regarding my Lovie-hate, I’ve gone on record to say that if the new GM decides he’s the man for the job, I’m okay with that as long has he knows it’s a win or else proposition. Missing the playoffs 4 of 5 years and bad game management are enough of a reason for ANY head coach to be put on the hotseat. I just don’t want the new GM to come in having to stick with Lovie because McCaskey says so.
Okay
totally with you on the potential issues that a personal relationship could bring to the organization. That makes perfect sense.
I’d still like to see what Lovie can do if he has genuine talent, not just value picks with high potential.
At the same time, bring in a new GM that wants Lovie out and you end up with a lame duck Jauron-style situation. I’m not sure that’s better.
Exactly...
At the same time, bring in a new GM that wants Lovie out and you end up with a lame duck Jauron-style situation. I’m not sure that’s better.
that’s why I don’t want to see it be a mandatory thing that Lovie definitely has to stay.
I really doubt we’d be getting anything from GB, except for,…cheese
by transylvanian bear on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Not only do I think it'd be a good hire
it would irk the folks up North, especially if he turns out to be good
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Wow, I didn't expect this
Seems like George McCaskey is serious about winning and I like it.
You're never a loser until you quit trying - MIke Ditka
slept in today just got up a little while ago what a suprise!
That is a good start,now if we can just get the right guy into Jerrys spot. I don’t want the light at the end of the tunnel to be an on coming freight train.
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gah
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Dick Jauron
he was here when Urlacher was drafted, and if he had anything to do with getting him i am all for it
Not sure if serious
If you are, then may the good Lord help your misguided soul
by Midway Bully on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You should sleep in more often Ed because apparently only good things happen when you do.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I am willing to sleep in until the Bears have a completely new management team.
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Another question: How will #Bears’ change at GM affect contract talks w/Matt Forte? Talks had stalled between Angelo & Forte’s agent.
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oh didn't even think of that
will this mean Forte will have a more positive outlook with a new GM
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See if the Bears keep Cliff Stein
He’s the point-man in contract negotations. Then again, GM is the one who has to give Stein permission to give Forte his $$$.
by Steve Ronkowski on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
To let Angelo finish his tears.
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I thought about posting that
but I’d already posted enough pics
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to further look at the staff
and announce any more firings for the day, like Drake or Day or a non-resigning of Martz, etc
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NFL.com talks about the firing
And how Polian could be a candidate - why, because he builds teams just like Jerry (QB and little else)?
If its free, take two.
Except Bill Polian also knows how to draft WRs and up until Tony Dungy retired, his drafts have been spot on
I’m thinking the loss of HC Tony Dungy and their OL coach Howard Mudd have more to do with the team’s failures than Bill Polian.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah he drafts great on offense, except for RB's and does an awful job on D. So basically he's the bizarro Angelo!
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Awful job?
Brackett, Mathis, Freeney, Bob Sanders, are/were not bad at all. Injuries happened to two of them, and their is no question for years Mathis and Freeney were the best DE tandem in the league. Besides, this team has a good defense, and we need help with the offense, his specialty lol.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
The difference is that the Colts’ defense is built to go after the passer when Peyton Manning puts them into a lead – their run D hasn’t been much to talk about for a while.
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First and Foremost
We don’t have to worry about defense for a good while since we already have a pretty good defense in place.
And second, Bill Polian has drafted for coaches who run schemes that are nearly identical to what the Bears run on both offense and defense. Jerry Angelo of all things did him a favor getting him a good RB, QB, and D in place. Now Bill Polian can take care of the rest regarding the needs of the team. We need WRs, and Polian knows how to get good receivers.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Our defense is getting old pretty fast and Polian either hasn’t placed much emphasis on – or has been unable to find – run-stoppers. Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman and probably Peppers will be gone in a couple of seasons and then what?
Once again, look at the Colts: great passing attack, great pass rush. Take the lead and let the pass rush loose. We might be able to work with a GM who uses that blueprint but I’m willing to cast my net wider before making a decision.
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All available and good options should be explored
I’m just stating Bill Polian could be one of the better choices for the now vacant GM job.
Now here is a wildcard, taking someone from the Giants organization.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Tuck and Osi over Freeney and Mathis. If their defense was loaded with good players why could they NEVER stop the run.
I have never seen a Colts D with the ability to stop an opposing team’s running game. The Colts D has never been elite even with those guys. The Bears D on the other hand was considered elite and is still a top 10 defense.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Never had a good DT
like Never had a good DT…that D was really good for most of the decade at every position except DT
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That may be good and true
If Polian came to Chicago, which already has a good defense as well as a good defensive minded HC in place, it could be a good idea.
As I replied to Spongie, perhaps someone else to consider is someone from the NYG organization. They’ve had some rather good drafts recently. And I would suppose the 1 thing I’d be worried about with Polian, is that he has never been one to be known for splashes in FA.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Matter of fact IIRC
Bill Polian has drafted more Pro-Bowlers on the defensive side of the ball than Jerry Angelo has.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wow. Bob Sanders I guess.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
He's fallen on hard draft times though
Their O-line is suspect outside of vet Saturday, they have Wayne (33 yrs old), some young WRs that outplay their draft pick but aren’t established guys (sound familiar?), they’re lacking a complete defense outside of some great vets (Mathis, Freeney), and running back has been a disaster since E. James left. Polian’s swung and missed a lot lately.
If its free, take two.
And guess who has been the HC lately?
Jim Caldwell. He really tackled the OL position HARD in last year’s draft, and I truly feel Bill Polian was a good GM who was ruined by a bad HC.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe
But its the similar situation to Lovie-Jerry. Blame can’t completely fall on one side of the coin, both parties share the blame, even if its 80-20. And when’s the last Polian pick to have success? Seriously, I don’t know, but I think its been awhile.
If its free, take two.
I thought that Bill's son Chris was the run pretty much running the show for the Colts lately.
That might be the bigger cause of failure than Dungy/Mudd leaving
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not completely sure myself
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
My I start a list of possible replacements?
This is from my own comment in the fanpost by LRT stating that Mike Martz shouldn’t be back next year. And this situation is exactly the reason I felt the Martz post was moot – because without changing the real problem (GM), the Bears would just be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Step one, Fire Angelo. Step two, Hire a Real NFL Guru GM. Step three, have that new GM evaluate Lovie, then make a decision on Martz.
Here’s the list that I assembled:
Eric DeCosta – Baltimore Ravens – Director of Player Personnel
Ron Hughes – Pittsburgh Steelers – College Scouting Coordinator
Doug Whaley – Buffalo Bills – Asst GM and Director of Player Personnel (not sure about that porn email thing, though)
Nick Caserio – NE Patriots – Director of Player Personnel (probably unavailable, but why not try)
David Gettleman – NY Giants – Director of Pro Personnel
Tom Telesco – Indianapolis Colts – Director of Player Personnel
Floyd Reese – NE Patriots – Senior Football Advisor
Nobody on Green Bay tickles my fancy. Ted Thompson rules the roost there, and his minions seem to have little experience.
Ruskell? NO WAY. He was completely lackluster in Seattle. I’d like someone who actually had success in a previous post as GM – or someone who hasn’t been GM but deserves a shot.
Someone mentioned Tony Dungy? Again – NO WAY. His teams were classic underachievers, he never won the big one until he was gifted Peyton Manning, and he had to face Rex Grossman to finally win one. He’s also the guy who said that Mike Vick was mature and ready to return to the NFL, while criticizing Jay Cutler’s maturity.
Personally, I’d look long and hard at Eric DeCosta.
WOOO HOOOOO
by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, they should really give a hard look at the Ravens and Patriots personnel men
Those teams have always drafted well and made some nice lowkey moves as well as big splashes that have worked out for them.
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by David in Maine on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
but Pioli and the Bronco's guy
not so much
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Romeo Crennel's D wasn't too shabby either.
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by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Without knowing any of these names
I say get the guy from Baltimore. If you can’t get Ozzie Newsome, get the guy who’s been helping Ozzie out and hopefully taking notes on how things should be done.
by Orval Overall on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
I also like the 'style' of the move....
…as folks have mentioned – that George McCaskey didn’t fire Angelo immediately upon taking control. We don’t know why he waited a year, but….
1. It’d possibly be very bad PR to fire a GM after winning the division and hosting the NFCCG, even if it would be the right decision; and
2. A good leader would give a subordinate in that position (who had success, but equally as many failures) a list of objectives and goals for the following year, and then evaluate.
I don’t know that #2 actually happened, but if it did, Angelo likely failed on most of the goals. The draft of Carimi, Paea, and Conte may be sound, but two of them ended up injured, and a veteran team like the Bears shouldn’t be depending on rookies, anyway. The fact that Enderle couldn’t even take the field is a severe indictment of Angelo and the draft. And the lack of depth at critical positions was the icing on the cake.
by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 3, 2012 11:08 AM CST reply actions
Defending Angelo
I know it’s fashionable to dump on Angelo, and he certainly deserves to shoulder the blame for the chronic failure to build up a competent offensive line despite having tons of cap room this offseason. But I think he gets a bad rap over the draft history.
I’ll get to the first rounders in a second, but lets start by acknowledging that the man drafted two absolute studs, and potential hall of famers OUTSIDE the first round (Briggs in round 3, and Hester in round 2). And, he got a whole bunch of other quality picks in rounds 2 – 7 over the years:
- Tillman was a 2
- Alex Brown was a 4
- Vasher was a 5
- Forte was a 2
- Mark Anderson was a 5
- Orton was a 4
- Lance Louis was a 7
- Chris Harris was a 6
So Angelo definitely did some good things in the middle/late rounds of the draft. The knock is supposed to be on his first round track record. But was that really so bad? I count only one true first round bust (Michael Haynes), one significant underachiever that could still be a bust (Chris Williams) and one other draft where he could have picked a future star but instead traded down for a mediocre talent in round 2 (Manning):
2002: Marc Colombo, failed with the Bears because of a knee injury, but started at LT for a Cowboys team that made the playoffs several times. The blame here should be for dumping him too soon, not for drafting him when he was healthy.
2003: Traded #4 pick to NYJ for two picks, who became Haynes and Grossman. Haynes was a bust. Grossman is a flawed player, but was the QB on a Super Bowl team and proved this year he belongs in the league as a borderline starter. For what its worth, the papers at the time called for the Bears to take DeWayne Robertson at 4, who turned out to be just as big a bust as Haynes when the Jets took him in that spot.
2004: Tommie Harris, arguably Angelo’s best first round pick until injuries derailed his career. If you had a crystal ball you’d take Vince Wilfork instead, but for several years Tommie looked like the steal of this draft.
2005: Cedric Benson, like Colombo a player that failed with the Bears for largely unpredictable reasons, only to excel elsewhere. Maybe a better GM could have diagnosed the issues that would keep him from being good as a Bear, but I doubt it. Has since gone on to be a multiple time 1,000 yard back in Cincinnati.
2006: Traded down from a late pick and got Danieal Manning in round 2, followed by Hester. My thoughts on that are above.
2007: Greg Olson, a pick that was widely celebrated at the time and turned out to have been a good not great selection.
2008: Chris Williams, who was an injury risk, and has been mediocre when healthy. Jury is still out on whether this a “bust”, but it definitely looks like a bad pick that failed to help at a position that desperately needed help and still does.
2009 & 2010: Cutler.
2011: Carimi, who looked like a stud before his injury, and could end up either being a terrific pick, or perhaps the next Colombo.
So all in all? Not great, but certainly not nearly as bad in round 1 as people suggest. And with the later round talents he found, Angelo is a big part of the reason this team made a super bowl and made another NFC Championship game in his tenure.
This would have made a fantastic fanpost.
If you want to submit it as a fanpost, let me know, and I’ll take the comment out of here.
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Thanks for the idea, I just posted it
(although I don’t see it showing up yet)
by Orval Overall on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Nice List
Benson is still running over people, but just not for us.
The problem with the Benson pick really was JONES, who was in the prime of his career and we dumped him for NUTTIN.
We dumped him for Dan Bazuin
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by BearNecessities on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
First thought...
Angelo was at the helm 10 years, which gives him +/- 60 draft picks to work with.
You named 8 good ones, and 11 that are reasonable or good, if not explainable. That’s about 33%.
Per Haynes – if Angelo drafts Troy Polamalu instead, it’s likely that both the Bears and Seahawks win Super Bowls last decade.
by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Can't argue with you re Polamalu.
What makes that even more maddening is they had a need at the position, having lost Tony Parrish to free agency a year earlier and never having found a real replacement. And, Haynes was something like the 7th defensive lineman drafted in the first 14 picks, a pretty good sign you’re not getting great value.
Who’s to say if Angelo would’ve gone for Polamalu if he had passed on Haynes, but it would have made that draft class one of the best of all time if he had (would’ve been Polamalu, Grossman, Tillman and Briggs in the first four picks—a hall of fame SS, hall of fame OLB, pro bowl corner, and an interception machine at QB).
by Orval Overall on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure a monkey
could have pointed at mel kuiper’s draft board and done just as well.
It is a good list
And the general reply to your reply is the wasted 2&3 round picks (Gilbert, Igelsias, Bazuin, Harrison), the exorbitant drafting of D-lineman, and chronic inability to build an O-line.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Nice job on this.
I really don’t like Angelo but you bring up some very viable points. Several of the things you’ve noted also indict Lovie’s ability to develop and evaluate players he had (Benson, Manning, Chris Harris, Olson). I think that Lovie’s involvement with personnel decisions and not handling the development of some of these guys well is totally overlooked in the universaly dislike of Angelo.
+1
I’m not an Angelo fan, either. But just looking at the list, you notice that many of these players went on to have modest-to-relatively-successful careers. “DMS syndrome” and poor development by the coaching staff certainly stagnated, if not completely derailed the careers of several of them.
Some of them left and went on to be more successful on different teams.
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be carefull what you wish for
yes now the bears have shown the exit door to Gerry Angelo, where do we go from here.we are either going into rebuild mode, as a previous post has detailed. a new GM might not go with Lovie as HC. this is not a good thing to be in. Any decent head coaches are already getting hired, and that would leave us with rejects that may or may not fit the Chicago Bears identity
Who has been hired already?
I’ve heard of a lot of firings but no hirings and annually some of the best candidates are with the playoff teams and they are not generally approached until their respective teams are out of the mix.
Fisher is going to interview in several places
I would imagine….
by David in Maine on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure what kind of, if any, Front Office
aspirations he may have… just that he wants to coach again…
by David in Maine on Jan 3, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Trade: Fired JA vs Making The Playoffs As A Wildcard Without Cutler, Forte & Urlacher
Suppose a couple things had gone our way (i.e. Marion Barber didn’t meltdown, and one ball bouncing a different way) and we make the playoffs, without our injured players.
That might have been enough to save JA.
Would you trade missing the playoffs for JA’s head, or would you keep JA and be in the playoffs this year with our current injury outlook (i.e. most likely one and done)?
Me? Bring me JA’s head on a silver salver.
No playoffs and no Angelo please
Not in favor of cheering for losses but if this is what it took then I’m good with it.
If its free, take two.
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Lions fan co-worker of mine just told me "I hear that Matt Millen is available"
I punched him in the face, and now I am sitting here waiting for the cops to show up to take me downtown.
Totally worth it though.
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Let me know how much bail is.
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by Ditkavsworld on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Anybody given any thoughts to Parcells?
He might be good for a year or two.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 AM CST reply actions
I assumed he was done
for good after Miami, especially since that team has kind of nosedived
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I would take Bill Parcells in a heartbeat,
but I don’t know if he’d take a GM-only role. While I’m not someone who is calling to fire Ted Phillips just because, I would sleep very well at night if Parcells had some sort of VP/GM role with the Bears and was in charge of the day-to-day operation.
But that is probably nothing more than a pipe-dream.
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I would be okay with Parcells
but I feel that every team he’s been a part of has had a quick uptick followed by a fast downturn.
Better him than Ruskell, at least Parcells has had success
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by Ditkavsworld on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
This is the best thing for the Bears.
Angelo has been awful in his signings over the past few years. Does anyone know who the potential candidates will be to replace Angelo as GM are?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions
Probably someone from your neck of the woods.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Good point
Every time anyone gets fired they go for personnel on the most winning organizations of the day. That’s why there’s a ton of coach roadkill from ex-Bill Belichick coordinators… which is why of course it can be a great idea or a TERRIBLE idea. Remember when teams were interviewing Greg Blanche as a head coach when the Bears that that oddly good 2001 season? That would have been a disaster.
by eastcoastbears on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Just as I thought...
From this article on Yahoo! Sports:
“The Bears’ open position should be a highly coveted one, and one name you might hear is that of Reggie McKenzie, the Green Bay Packers’ Director of Football Operations. McKenzie’s name is one that has gained a lot of traction for any GM openings.”
by eastcoastbears on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like most in the
media are calling for polian…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Of course they are.
The easiest thing to do in this situation is add recently ousted position to newly created position.
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No, the easiest thing would be to
make Bill Cowher GM, Dave Toub HC, Mike Tice OC, and Lovie Smith DC.
Oh, and Daryyl MaGee needs to be promoted to something as well.
The we could sign all the best FAs to only incentive-based contracts with no guaranteed money, and trade up all of our late-round picks to have multiple 1st-rounders.
/Your witness.
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now your talking
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Don't you mean D-line?
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by badsamaritan on Jan 3, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing about that sounds easy.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing that was sarcasm.
I’m at work so it’s hard to keep up too much.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Gotta squeeze Jeff Fisher in there somehow.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
He's going to return punts while Devin becomes a #1 WR, you know, in the right system.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 3, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
ESPNChiBears Dickerson and Wright
Interesting to note Jerry Angelo wanted to address the offense in the offseason while Lovie Smith wanted to rebuild defense. JD
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Address the offense
By picking another D lineman?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
...oh sh!t this doesn't look good
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Re Ruskell - Don't be fooled by the Seattle team that mollywhopped you
The Seahawks team is almost entirely John Schneider and Pete Carroll. Red Bryant was a Ruskell pick and we have several other decent players but all of our first-rounders with him are gone.
I’ve defended Ruskell for a long time but after the hiring of Jim Mora and now his draft classes aren’t panning out it’s looking more and more like he wasn’t good at his job. Our entire 2009 class is nearly gone save for Max Unger.
His best picks show flashes of greatness in the first few years (Lofa Tatupu, John Carlson, etc.) and then fall to pieces through injury or just have a hard decline.
You cannot hire Tim Ruskell to rebuild anything, it’s primarily his fault we have this QB mess because he wasted his picks on nothing defensive starters.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Very few (if any)
Bear fans want ruskell cause they view him as Angelo’s lackey thus Angelo 2.0……
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Holy crap, slept in today as I have no job to go to today
Missed all the excitement, wowzers.
White Sox fans need not apply.
by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 3, 2012 12:15 PM CST reply actions
Naw...
You’re here just in time for the after-party!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Wooohooo
Let the good time roll….
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by Bears-Cubs Bulls on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Good question
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully it will buy a little patience for Forte
If Forte viewed JA as an obstacle in the negotiations, now he could be optimistic about the “new guy”
Jay Cutler is our quarterback, baby! Please pass the nitroglycerin tablets.
Hmmmmm
It’s not likely the Chicago Bears will use Tuesday’s press conference to announce the promotion of director of player personnel Tim Ruskell as the successor to recently fired general manager Jerry Angelo.
But it’s worth pondering potential replacements……
Packers director of football operations Reggie McKenzie will draw the most speculation as Angelo’s potential successor because of his relationship with Bears coach Lovie Smith.
It’s unknown whether Smith will play a role in the organization’s selection.
But according to sources, Smith and McKenzie are close, and the executive’s track record is undeniable since he took over as director of football operations in 2008, after working 10 years as Green Bay’s director of pro personnel. Since joining the Packers in 1994 as a pro personnel assistant, the organization has won eight division titles, three conference crowns and two Super Bowls. Interestingly, McKenzie’s daughter, Jasmin, attends Wheaton College……
.
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Like I've said earlier
Somebody should go behind enemy lines and get McKenzie to Chicago. Now.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Good hunting
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Why do I imagine
A National Lampoon’s Christmas-esque scene with some rabid meathead fan in an RV showing up at Soldier Field with McKenzie tied up with a bow on his head.
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You say that like its a bad thing.
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*already in Wisconsin*
way ahead of you, I’ve got a fruit basket
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...you live in Winsconsin
And yet you chose a fruit basket instead of a block of the finest Winsconsin cheddar?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
So how about someone shows up with a good Itallian beef
That’ll get ’em!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Theres New Glarus Spotted Cow
in the fruit basket
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Ahh...
Just making sure.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
LETS ROLLOUT!!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Optimus?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Oh and let me know if you need back-up
Strike Package Bravo is on deck
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
The calm before the storm?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Cause he couldnt find
one of Angelo “face palming”…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Cause that's Jerry's Trollface
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Because like all Bears fans, Jerry Angelo is ecstatic that they fired their terrible GM.
by Th3T1ck on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."
by Ditkavsworld on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
With Jerry gone
I have lost someone to yell obscenities at during training camp. Thank you Bears for allowing me to become more of a gentleman during your open-to-the-public events.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions
There's always Lovie Smith or Mike Martz...or whomever becomes the next GM
Shoot, why not yell at Ruskell?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Martz probably won't be there and hopefully Ruskell too.
I will be behind whoever is the new GM and back them up so I won’t yell at them. Maybe I’ll yell at Lovie but he usually isn’t the one making the awful decisions in the off-season. If they had a mid-season open-to-the-public event that might be a different story.
by PolishSausage.Ditka.Bears. on Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
And I take it you won't yell at Cutler after he throws an int
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I still yell
at John Shoop. Cause everything’s his fault.
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first comment but been keeping up on all my bear news for past 2 yrs thru wgc. other than that good to see ja go now get D.Drake out of the building too.
Tony
by chitown-tony on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I'm hearing that Martz has resigned!!!
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
LINK
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THATS HOLY
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Sorry. Searching...
Heard it on the score
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
AHHHH
the anticipation is killin me
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thekapman David Kaplan
Mike Martz OUT as Bears Offensive Coordinator. Cites philosophical differences.
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Shoop da whoop
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Cites philosophical differences.
is that the nice way of saying, “we’d like to not have to remind you to stop doing 7 step drops and to run the ball more than 9 times”
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Erbody jump here
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