Thoughts From NFL: Week before the Super Bowl edition
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 30, 2012 7:00 PM CST
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The last few weeks Chicago Bears fans have been teased with the Twitter back and forth between quarterback Jay Cutler and Miami Dolphins wide receiver, and former teammate of Jay's in Denver, Brandon Marshall. The rumors and speculation were running wild linking Marshall to the Bears. After seeing how Marshall can look with a good QB throwing him the ball (his 4 TD MVP performance in the Pro Bowl) I wonder if Miami management will think twice about moving him. Then again, I wonder if there's any truth to his being shopped in the first place? But, that ugly trophy could lead the 'Fins to up their asking price. Then again, it's only the Pro Bowl, it's not like any one was playing defense any way. On to my Thoughts which will be Pro Bowl-centric for the first few...
1) I was at Buffalo Wild Wings last night and the Pro Bowl was on (hooray), and every time I glanced over I noticed the defensive linemen going half speed. I was shocked to check the stats to find out there was a sack in the game. Rookie Von Miller must not have received the memo that the linemen didn't want to block.
2) I noticed Cam Newton sucking.
3) I noticed that no one wanted to tackle.
4) I noticed Bears special teamer Corey Graham getting beat on a double move for a TD. Maybe playing defense in the Pro Bowl wasn't the best thing for a guy looking for a free agent pay day to play more defense...
5) And I noticed a lot of beautiful shots of Hawaii that are so much prettier in HD. And enough about the Pro Bowl...
6) Was that really Bill Belichick smiling and cracking a joke?
7) Do you prefer the two week build up before the Super Bowl? I like the extra week myself.
8) Do you think the Super Bowl should always be in a warm weather city? I'm fine with it being in Indianapolis, and I'm warming to the idea that it can be held in an cold weather city's outdoor stadium.
9) I'd like to see new Bears G.M. Phil Emery have a chance to at least draft and fill some needs via free agency before he's criticized.
10) And speaking of the draft, this Mock Draft has the Bears taking Ohio State offensive tackle Mike Adams with the 19th pick. Here's what they said about the selection:
You have to think after the struggles the Bears have had at left tackle this season, drafting a guy like Adams who has the size and athleticism to handle premier NFL pass rushers is a must for them this off-season.
I'd be A-OK with this choice.
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I wouldn't be too dissapointed to see us take Adams at 19
As long as we can pick up a top-end WR in FA.
On number 10:
Absolutely. If a premier LT is there at pick 19, there’s no way the Bears should pass that up. Improving the offensive line will improve the play of every single skill position on offense as well.
E.F.K.
Besides RW at WR..
Cause he still hasn’t grasped one essential thing about his position…
How To Catch the Scary Brown Flying Thingy.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 31, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
1-5: I don't give a damn.
6: He can diaf as far as I’m concerned.
7: The idea is solid. The execution is awful. The ProBowl is worthless as a game. I’d LIKE to see the NCAA Championship Game during that weekend before the Super Bowl, but I know the NFL and NCAA would never cooperate like that.
8: I’d still like to see it played in the Big House at Ann Arbor. 120,000 seat stadium?!? YES PLEASE!!! As far as “cold weather”, I repeat my previous answer.
9: Welcome to the Internet. Here’s your Rage Badge.
10. I haven’t seen a mock having him fall that far. Most that I’ve seen have us taking Floyd at 19 and Tennessee taking DE Perry at 20. I’d be happy taking Perry at 19, if the draft falls that way. I’d rather take WR in FA.
You want the NCAA championship teams
to take another three weeks off before playing?
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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I was more concerned about not caring about point 5
Cause Hawaii is much prettier in person.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 31, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I want them to be playing until that point.
Let’s say a T16 tournament, starting before New Year’s and ending the weekend before the SB. But I know that the NFL would NEVER play all 4 of its games on a single day…
I’ve seen drafts that have Adams as high as 15 and as low as 37
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I would almost be willing to say we should offer our 2nd and one 3rd for Marshall.
The guy has shown that with a legit QB, He is a beast.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
I'd pay even more
He had a 100-catch season with Kyle Orton! He had a good shot at a 100-catch season with Chad Henne had he played 16 games instead of 14! Colston’s knees worry me. We’ve seen Dwayne Bowe routinely disappear for long stretches. Vincent Jackson hasn’t proven he’s a true possession receiver, and he’ll be 30 by next year’s playoffs.
If the price is two 2nd’s, give them two 2nd’s. Look at the Bears’ recent 2nd round picks: Paea, Forte, Bazuin, Hester, Bradley, Tank, Tillman, A-Train, Mike Brown, Russell Davis, Tony Parrish, John Allred, Bobby Engram.
Stats 101 time. 13 picks there, so 78 combinations of two players. The only combinations I might not trade for Marshall are the ones including two of Forte, Hester, Tillman, Brown, for 6 total. So 6/78 times that’s a bad trade, 72/78 times that’s a good trade. MAKE THE DEAL. My god I would love an offense with Jay/Forte/Marshall… and I think Knox could be a decent deep threat complement too.
Why pay more?
Didn’t Miami get him two years ago for a 2nd or 3rd only? Realistically I’d give up a 3rd, nothing more, especially given that Marshall seems to have off-the-field issues. The Bears can always sign a FA that won’t cost them a damn thing except money and a roster spot.
E.F.K.
It's a fair point about being able to sign another WR without giving up a thing
I screwed that up didn’t I. It’s not just the 2 picks, it’s the 2 picks + the cap space that could go to somebody else. Oy.
I think Bowe is the best of the WR targets because of his age/durability… so the question is would I trade Bowe + two 2nds for Marshall? I wouldn’t, but I’d be tempted to pull the trigger if it’s Colston/VJack instead. Marshall is about as sure a thing at WR as it gets, and Cutler/Marshall gives the offense an elite connection for the next 5 years.
Yeah Marshall and Cutler had chemistry
There’s no denying it. But I think you’d probably be able to trade for Marshall with just a 3rd, at the most a 2nd. I think my point was more ’there’s no point in overpaying for a receiver when there’s plenty of draft picks’
E.F.K.
i ask this
what if we signed bowe/Vjax and maybe they did trade for Marshall? Not sure about the Cap space ive seen different stuff but who knows
true i've seen many things with the cap
one as high as 50 mil or close to then some 30+ mil and some as low as 19.
Its worth checking out the price
a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd? Do it. Id go for a 1st n 3rd. A Pro Bowl wr will make the whole offense better. Hes better than any wr we’d get at 19.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That is true
But he was done in Denver as part of Hoodie Jr’s “screw the players, I’m DA MAN” big spring clearing promos, along Cutler and Hillis.
I’d also rather go for a legit #1 WR on FA, and still draft a WR on the first or second. There’s a huge bust factor in the position, and this would allow the draftee to adapt to the pro pro game without the pressure of being the “OH NOES WHAT A BUST BRING BACK JA” guy.
I agree with you on this. Get a FA WR, draft bpa in the 1st and then target a need in the next 2 rounds.
Theoretically, depending on how the draft falls, the Bears can have an established #1 receiver, a young franchise LT, a young stud at DE, a CB and/or another receiver or TE.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
it goes beyond Marchall's ability as a reciever.
his chemistry with Jay is something that cant be taught. its either there, or its not. I saw ask what the price is, and think about it.
having him alone is worth a 1st rounder.
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Its like the silver eye of Mordor
by TJ Shouse on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
And the award for biggest nerd goes to......
by frenchbears113 on Jan 30, 2012 9:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Cool....
Does it light up at night?
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by crackedcactus on Jan 31, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Buffalo Wild Wings is a place I go to once in a while
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Phil Emery approaches the draft. He seems intent on bringing in playmakers for the offense (WRs!) he could do so in FA, the Draft, or both. If we sign said playmaker(s) in FA, and if Mike Adams is still around, then I wouldn’t be opposed.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 PM CST reply actions
Rams wanted 2 first rd pics and hester for the sec pic to get blackmon
Id give up the first and hester tho to get blackmon.We would save cap money in the deal.But 2 first rd pics is way to much.
I hope the Bears get ...
their stud WR in FA and get a DE or LT at #19. Adams would be IDEAL; that guy is a beast. I fully expect him to go in the top 10, to be honest, but if he’s there, it’s a no brainer. To have elite bookend tackles for the next 10-15 years is a great start for the Bears offense. In general, I hope the Bears spend more FA money on the offense and get more youth on the defense. I keep getting the feeling that Marshall ends up as a Bear in 2012…not sure why I think that happens or if I even think it’s a good thing, but it’s the sense that I get.
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Well Adams is mocked going anywhere from 10 to the early 2nd. It depends on how the top OT's do at the Combine.
If Kalil and Adams go first then getting either Reiff or Martin wouldn’t be a bad consolation at all.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 31, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Can your sense also detect....
If Zombie George Halas devours Lovie on the sideline come game 3 and coaches the Bears to the Super Bowl.
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by crackedcactus on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Bad prop bet :(
There has been enough analysis, research, and statistical number crunching that cautions against using your highest draft pick on a WR. It’s a total crap shoot against bad odds. Sure there is an exception every once in awhile but ask Detroit how many sure fire 1st rd. WR’s they missed year after year they drafted till the finally stumbled on to Megatron.
Oh! … And that’s without the all but mandatory 1 Year learning curve. There might have been 1 or 2 exceptions to the curve you could point to in the past half dozen or so years but not many.
Get that “PROVEN” Wide Receiver in Free Agency. Use the top draft picks on the high percentage non-bust picks (stat in the upper 80%) on guys like LB’s, DE’s, and TE’s. Also this draft is rich in quality secondary players and with two third rounder’s we should score a good and much need CB for an aging Peanut and midget Free Agent Jennings.
pbanachi
Offer their 3rd and their 6th
He’s got an attitude problem, which diminishes his trade value. Floyd is a spittin’ image of Marshall. I wouldn’t offer too much.
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