The Bears Den: January 4, 2012

"...where we're in the solution business."
Bears make change at general manager Mayer: The Bears won four NFC North titles in Jerry Angelo's 11 years as general manager. But the widening gap between the team and its division rivals cost him his job.
Martz won't be back with Bears in 2012 Offensive coordinator Mike Martz, whose contract ran through the 2011 season, will not return to the Bears in 2012. Ted Phillips interview
Optimism over Bears' overhaul muted by Smith's power play Haugh: Somehow Lovie Smith, with two seasons and $10 million left on his contract, emerged after an 8-8 season as the most powerful man in the building; a fact unlikely to change after the Bears hire Jerry Angelo's replacement.
Smith farewells – good-bye to Angelo, Martz Moon: For Smith, it will be his fourth offensive coordinator hiring, after Terry Shea (2004), Ron Turner (2005) and Martz (2010). CSN's Moon, Kip, more...
Smith emerges with power in Bears' shuffle Mulligan: It's easy to get bogged down in details and question the absurdity of the proceedings. Allowing the coach to assist in GM search is classic Bears.
Inconsistency of line stands out in defense's year-end grades Pompei: The defense rarely was the reason the Bears lost, but it didn't provide enough big plays, especially at critical times.
Marinelli locked up for next two seasons McClure: Defensive Coordinator signed a contract extension before the 2011 season, a deal the Bears never announced because Marinelli preferred to keep it quiet.
Silverman: Angelo Firing Richly Deserved George McCaskey has emphatically spun the Bears in a new direction.
Bears in 'solution business' by firing Jerry Angelo Greenberg: The Bears should look at the top of the standings to find their own Theo. Martz's departure could open door for Tice
Building around Cutler has to be a priority for Bears Bowen: With new GM, OC coming to town, QB needs to be the focus.
Inside Slant: QB depth behind GM cuts Corbett: Bill Polian and Jerry Angelo, whose teams met in Super Bowl XLI, were dismissed within a 24-hour span that rocked the league.
Jerry Angelo, Jeff Fisher in the news at start of busy offseason Peter King has thoughts.
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The more I read up on it
The more I think that Reggie McKenzie guy sounds like the best choice; knows Lovie and has been a part of a successful front office.
By the same token, the more I read, the less I want Bill Polian; sounds like he’s stuck in his ways, somewhat inflexible, uses nepotism, hasn’t had a lot of recent success.
Jay Cutler is still my quarterback.
Formerly GallopingGhost
I agree with your assessment with Reggie McKenzie, but disagree about Bill Polian
He is not simply stuck in his ways, he had the unfortunate luck of being stuck between a rock and a hard place known as Indianapolis. Jim Caldwell didn’t know what he was doing, at all. Bill Polian is perhaps the most accomplished GM when it comes to building Super Bowl caliber teams, 6 to be exact, with 3 different HCs on two separate teams. The blue print he has fits this team’s needs beautifully. Ultimately, he has been the architect of teams Lovie Smith has always tried to coach up in Chicago.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
except
polian gradually gave more and more power to his son as time went by…..And his son did not perform well….Then when local media called him on it bill polian would attack that media outlet…..florio thinks that is what really led to the polians being let go….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Basically here is how I see it
If the Bears can hire Bill Polian without offering his son a job, then I’d be all for it. But, if Bill insists that he and his son are a combo that can’t be seperated, then I would interview other candidates. His son, Chris, is one real question mark.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
There a combo package bruh! If Bill comes then he's going to want to bring his moron son
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Dang bruh! Thats just bad bruh!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
He's not going
to abandon his son to get a job. He’s a proud old man who has made a lot of money.
I think BILL Polian
(the Father) might be a good choice….. seems like the discontent in Indy was more with the son, Chris, and whatever role he was playing/decisions he was making…
At least I seem to remember reading something along these lines…. not sure if we could get Bill without Chris though…..
by David in Maine on Jan 4, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
Bill Polian is the Brett Farve of GM's
He WAS good now he is 69 years old and years past his prime.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Nice!
Bill Polian is the Brett Farve of GM’s
I did say “might”, not “would be”
by David in Maine on Jan 4, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
A buddy of mine told me that the Raiders are also interested in McKenzie but I can't find a link to it.
All I know is that they need to do their homework and make some moves if they want to get the right guy because if it is McKenzie, he may not be around when the Bears finally make up their mind.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
skjensen Sean Jensen
Reggie McKenzie, Packers director of football operations, is expected to interview for Raiders GM position today, according to source
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by David in Maine on Jan 4, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Oh no...
Hopefully the Bears will get a crack at him!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Well poop the bed there it is. And of course the Bears are going to wait until March or something and hire some mediocre Angelo-lite and say they did their diligence.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if the Bears really had any other choice but to wait
Knowing the Packers could have blocked them. Now, like below, they can’t block the Bears from interviewing McKenzie since they granted the Raiders permission to interview him.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
He's interviewing in Oakland today,
but the way i understand it, he’d rather stay in the midwest for family reasons…
by David in Maine on Jan 4, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'd certainly hope so
Surprised the Packers haven’t blocked anyone. Are teams allowed to block members of their front office from interviewing for promotions elsewhere?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
skjensen Sean Jensen
And now that the Packers have granted one request, they cannot prevent any others, meaning #Bears can also interview Reggie McKenzie.
9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
by David in Maine on Jan 4, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Well okay then
Hopefully he turns them down and uses this rule to interview with the Bears uninteruppted!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
No problem....
I’m definitely digging Twitter for Bears/Football news lately….
skjensen Sean Jensen
I blogged this Tuesday. But here’s a closer look at the NFL’s policy, as it relates to hiring a general manager. tinyurl.com/6ocswa8
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by David in Maine on Jan 4, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly though.....
The Bears have better personnel to work with save the offensive lines. The Bears have an array of draft picks, unlike the Raiders who won’t pick until the 3rd I believe, more money to spend in FA and a better offensive corps. Cutler is a better QB than Palmer, Forte and DMC are a wash to me with Forte getting the nod because he actually stays healthy, the Bears are a #1 receiver away from being a legit passing offense and the line can and will probably be fixed this offseason now that Angelo isn’t around.
The defense may be aging, but they are way better than the Raiders.Also Hue Jackson is apparently getting the Lovie treatment too so the Raiders situation is much like the Bears and since McKenzie is friends with Lovie and from what I’m being told is, he wants to stay close to Wisconsin, the Bears are the far more attractive option for him at least IMO.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
They probably are an option for him
And might use this interview to bar the Packers from blocking the Bears
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping he thinks McCarthy and Capers are jerks and wants to own them next season.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
We are so much better than the Raiders that we beat them by...
umm… err… oh, wait.
Yeah because they BARELY beat this team with a backup who isn't even good enough to be on an NFL roster.
Yeah they are SO much better than the Bears.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
/head explodes
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
And seriously
Looking at the absolute clusterfark that is the Raiders, the Bears are closer, saner and have far more potential to win with Cutty. If it comes down to Oakland and Chicago I have to imagine he goes Chicago,
---------
Very likely the next head coach for your Chicago Bears!
Excuse me, but the Raiders have Darius Hayward-Bey
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
DHB is starting show some flashes.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm
closer? No question.
Saner? Maybe, but hardly sane. And now with Al Davis out of the picture …
far more potential to win? Debatable, but spoken like a true Bears fan.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
The San Jose Mercury News is reporting as much
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
David Haugh, who is an enormous derp, disagrees with you.
From what it sounds like, Bill Polian’s son is an even bigger derp.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
It's going to be interesting to see how both the GM and OC searches shape up
Ted Phillips said all the right things, even though his decision to keep Lovie Smith and essentially give him more power is questionable at best. Anyway he certainly seems to understand something Jerry Angelo never understood, and that is making an effort to build around Jay Cutler, not simply sticking him in there watching him get his teeth knocked out while making some good plays. Bill Polian would be a great hire, so would this gentleman named McKenzie from Green Bay.
I believe Mike Tice will become the new OC, because they seek continuity with the offense in terms of scheme, and Tice has always been wanting a chance to become an OC. He has worked with some great offensive minded coaches throughout his NFL career, let’s see where this could take us. Granted, he has never called plays before, but every OC has to start sometime.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 7:46 AM CST reply actions
The never called plays thing is false. Sean Jensen tweeted to that fact several times.
As head coach in Minnesota after Scott Linehan left for Miami, Tice brought in a newbie OC who had never called plays, so for the first part of the season, Tice called the plays until the new OC got acclimated to everything/everyone.
See Jensen’s twitter feed. Link
Marinelli had never called plays before he took over the D
and I’d say that has worked out pretty well for us.
***Jeff Fisher for front office 2012***
(A real change we can believe in)
by Joeb'n777 on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just curious as to why you think it's worked out well for us?
This isn’t meant to be an argument and I’m not totally against Marinelli but I think he gets much more credit and accolades than the record shows. He’s supposedly the best d-line coach in the business but one of the areas that is talked about that needs improvement is pressure from the front four. The defense dropped to the lower half of the league in yards and points scored against without any significant injuries to the core group (you can’t count Urlacher’s injury in the 4th Quarter of the last game as having any effect).
We hear from Lovie and the players that he’s this great coach but he bombed as a HC in Detroit, he never got their defense going either, he had great players in Tampa (which I don’t hold against him but it’s kind of like Martz and the Greatest Show on Turf) so I just don’t see the evidence that the perception the Bears try to give us is accurate. So far he’s an average coach with average results.
He probably says that because it is true, for the most part the Defense has played well the past couple of years.
and has never been in the lower half of teams in points allowed.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
You're right, he has them majestically perched at 14th in points allowed this year. What a performance.
I stand corrected.
you see this is what botters me about you.
your not sorry you told a untruth, you just seem to find it an inconvenience that I noticed it.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I made a generalization about a middle of the road ranking
and because he ended up 14 rather than 17, you make him into the second coming of Buddy Ryan. His defense without any significant injuries to key personnel went backward. At least I admit when I make a mistake.
show me where I mentioned Buddy Ryan
I said for the most part the defense played well, and I didn’t slide a stat down a few spots to support my opinion.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
The numerous pick-sixes
thrown by Bears QBs should not count as pts scored vs Bears D…
Often Wrong, Never In Doubt.
I don't disagree but every team is under the same rules.
It’s like QB’s getting charged with an interception when it goes off a receiver’s hands.
I tend to agree with you.
Got real tired of hearing that Marinelli was a D-line guru in preseason and then hearing mid-season that the Bears really needed to step up their pass rush.
yeah you can't coach Tommy into growing a new knee.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Was Tommie part of this year's mix at D-tackle?
Isn’t that an untruth, ed? See that’s what bothers me about you……
he was when Rod was brought in to coach the D line
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
and he wasn't the D line coach this year
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
the original post was referring to this year and ed brought up Tommie
how is that getting your facts straight? oripunk3485 was referring to Marinelli’s reputation and not specifically calling him the d-line coach but, as usual, ed prefers to take things out of context and disregard the entire content of the post to defend his favorite coaches, players, etc.
and the Bears are in the bottom half of the league in points allowed right?
How about a little love for Henry Melton’s 7 sacks this year.
He took over Tommie’s spot and was developed by Hot Rod.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I would say Peppers limping around for the second half of the season is pretty significant, though he played.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Huh, learn something new everyday. Thanks.
Didn’t the Vikes have the top ranked offense in one of Tice’s year as the HC?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm..thats something worth looking up
Regardless so now the belief Mike Tice never called plays on offense can be put to rest, as it clearly doesn’t seem to be the case. I do know he was given more power over input with the Bears’ offense during the last 2 seasons, but I wonder how well the Vikes’ offense did when Tice was calling the plays?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Admittedly 2005 was a bad offensive year for the Vikes.
Randy Moss was on the 04 team, but left for Oakland in 05. Culpepper was all-pro in 04 and then shredded his knee midway through 05. Their #1 rb in 05 was Mewelde Moore. So the big offensive drop-off was predictable, and had to do with personnel, Linehan’s departure, and probably Tice’s/Loney’s inexperience. Lots of blame to go around. Was Tice a good play caller? Who knows, but he did do it.
I'm sure Jay can help him out with the play calls.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
by badsamaritan on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't that what Rodgers does anyways? I read somewhere that the entire 1st half playcalling in the Lions-Pack game was done by Rodgers
Cutty isn’t dumb. He knows exactly what the offense in place is capable of and that’s why he manned up and took more power in the game-planning IMO.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I don’t think that it necessarily precludes any GM. Sure, they’ll want to pick their own coach. But Lovie is an above average coach (i.e. top 16 before the flames come rolling in) and the new GM has enough work for year one anyway (front office rebuild, draft, big free agency year). I fully expect Phillips to tell whomever that they will give responsibility for evaluation of the coaching staff at the end of 2012 to the new GM. Especially for someone new, I don’t see how that would preclude them making the jump to GM. The Bears GM spot looks to be the best job out there this year. And Pittsburgh did the same thing with Cowher, who at that point had not won a super bowl (he had made several deep runs, and one appearance).
Good explination
And regardless, it feels good to know someone else will be calling the shots now that Jerry Angelo is finally gone.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
i would like to think our FO and George sits back, let the dust settle and if they did not have anyone in mind before the sackings and the leavings just hang fire approach the likes of Mc Kenzie when it is suitable to do so and get who is right with a Bears franchise perspective ie the MO of this historied team.
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Love them cause they take me back to the 90s music scene. Such a unique voice and sound. Made my morning!
For GM- either McKenzie or DeCosta; I love what both these guys have contributed to their team’s stacked rosters.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
I would be happy with either
I’m really wary of all the Polian love in the media. The dude, at least with his son in tow, does not seem like he would be a good fit here.
would take alot to
get decosta from what I have heard said by various insiders….Already set up to be newsome successor and taken good care of by balt…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
With his track record I'd give him alot .....
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Got to pay for a good GM
The McCaskeys and Phillips better not be cheap. He’ll get the opportunity to be a GM sooner rather than later.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Money is no object
was the phrase tossed around by George and Ted yesterday. Considering they’re eating two years on Jerry’s contract, the worrying about them being cheap can probably stop.
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Apparantly Chicago would be the one job outside of Baltimore Eric DeCosta would be interested in.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would like DeCosta also, but one of the beaters tweeted about how close DeCosta is with the organization, how well they take care of him and his family, and how apparently his wife is a Baltimore lifer (yikes, right?) and won't want to leave.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well Eric DeCosta may not even be a top candidate in Chicago
As it looks like the Bears have set their focus on Reggie McKenzie of the Green Bay Packers’ organization.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't mean he'll accept it. Wouldn't be a smart thing to ONLY go after McKenzie to then only be rejected.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'm certain he is not the only candidate the Bears have in mind
Published a whole “short list” towards the bottom of the den. It also appears McKenzie is the TOP candidate, though.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
It also appears McKenzie is the TOP candidate, though.
As well he should be. I keep hearing stuff about DeCosta being in the mix. It would be a little humorous if he punked us because of last year’s draft.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
But the Bears still need other candidates because McKenzie is hardly a lock
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
After reading all of the articles and listening to the press conference, I'm only really sure of one thing...
I NEVER want to see the pictures of Virginia and Ted Phillips that Lovie, obviously, has.
I like Phillips on the business side.
As the GM? Um, no.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 4, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
He was asked in the presser yesterday
if he would be interested in the position, and he reiterated that he is not qualified for judge talent and would be a bad fit.
I really disagree with all the media types crying about Lovie winning some power struggle.
Ted Phillips clearly made a point in saying the Bears have made the playoffs once in 5 years. Lovie said once in 2 years the day before. Phillips point is obviously that Lovie has only made the playoffs 1 in 5 years and that’s not acceptable. Phillips also clearly said Lovie will be the coach in 2012. Not 2013 or beyond. His contract is through the 2013 season. Lovie is clearly on notice that after this next season the new GM (who will probably have a 4-6 year contract) will be free to replace Lovie if he doesn’t perform. How is that winning a power struggle? He’s got 1 year to turn things around or he’s gone. That’s not very powerful if you ask me.
Phillips clearly made a point in saying that the coach reports to GM who reports to him. Nowhere is it stated or implied that Lovie has any personnel power that he didn’t previously have. So where is this new power that Lovie supposedly has? He doesn’t have any additional responsibilities w personnel, he didn’t get a contract extension. He’s back for 2012. That’s it. There’s no extra “power” there.
Some are arguing that hamstringing the new GM with Lovie for 1 year is a mistake, but I disagree. The Bears’ faults this season & last lie with a dearth of talent on the offensive line and in Mike Martz’s crazy obsession with 7-step drops and inability to call a coherent game that meshes with the talents he does have. Martz is gone. Angelo is gone. Lovie still has control of the Bears locker room. I think he should stay too. Phillips and the McCaskey’s think he should stay. The new GM will have to think that too, for just 1 season. For a new GM to come in and find a new coach and deal with all the talent evaluations, both pro and college, is a lot to ask if you want immediate success. This way, the new GM will concentrate on free agency and the draft this off-season and have a year to evaluate Lovie and Lovie’s staff. That makes sense to me.
Jim Harbaugh came in as a new HC for the 49ers
and almost instantly made them a playoff team. If you get the right coach I think the time to get the team up to speed is overrated.
as long as the team you inherit is close already
which the Forty Whiners were. Harbaugh inherited a good talent base that he molded into a very good team.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
The difference
the 49ers’ talent is younger than the Bears talent.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
true, but we're talking about next season so, according to Lovie and the Bear management
they have the core group to get them to the Super Bowl next season with the right moves.
I’m not saying I agree with them, just saying what they said.
Really? You’re going off him saying that in a press conference? Bullsquash. Lovie knows the holes, but he’s not going to rail on them in public. That would be dumb. In fact, if you asked him at a presser, he might go as far as to say Tim Jennings is our #2 CB.
So Lovie is a liar....
That’s what he claimed in a press conference, interviews, and what was parroted by both Phillips and McCaskey yesterday, so I’m assuming that’s what his claim to his superiors was during his post season evaluation.
As I said above, I don’t agree with it, but it is the position he’s taken.
Yup
Pretty much every coach is. None of them are going to say what they really think to the press. You can only go off their actions. It’s pretty naive of you to take the side of “Well, they said it to the press”. Seriously, just think about that for a minute. There are players who are going to be resigned, replaced, promoted, demoted, etc this off season. All the coached know it doesn’t do them any good to incite drama by talking about any of this until it’s actually happening.
Let me get this straight...
you’re saying that the Bears don’t have a talented core of players and Lovie feels that way but wants to mislead everyone because then no one will be aware of the holes and his players will feel more warm and fuzzy.
I’m not sure what your argument is on this. Lovie never said there weren’t holes and neither did I. I really think Lovie does believe he has a strong core group and I do too but not as strongly. The original comment that I replied to was regarding the turnaround by the 49ers that said
Harbaugh inherited a good talent base that he molded into a very good team
So if what Lovie says is true, why wouldn’t the possibility exist? Again, I don’t necessarily agree that it would happen, but it’s certainly not out of the question. How is that naive?
you’re saying that the Bears don’t have a talented core of players and Lovie feels that way but wants to mislead everyone because then no one will be aware of the holes and his players will feel more warm and fuzzy.
Nope. I’m saying you’re a fool if you believe anything Lovie says in the press. It’s just as likely to be false as true. His goals with press events are to meet his availability requirements without negatively affecting his team. He is certainly not going to incite controversy when the press talks to his players by saying anything than everything is great. When they ask him opinion questions, or questions about “the future”, being truthful is usually not in his, or the Bears interests.
You pointed at Lovie’s press conference statement about a solid core, and insinuated that they must be on the same level with the 49ers, a 2 seed in the playoffs. There is no link between the two. You used this as the basis of your response, and it was an invalid basis.
So to be clear, what I am saying is:
What Lovie and the front office say in a press conference has no bearing on what they will actually do.
Look, we all love the Bears here, and I think there are several good players on this team. I also think there are a bunch of dudes who are going to deservedly get canned this year, and Lovie know who they are. What I am saying, is that Lovie’s words to the press are both irrelevant and often inaccurate (lies). I am saying don’t give them any weight, and look at the team’s actions.
You're the fool who obviously can't or won't read
the original comments were about last year’s 49ers team who finished 6-10 and their ability to turn things around with a new coach and talented core group versus this year’s Bears team and what they might be able to do next season with the talented core group that Lovie talked about. Whether you believe what he has to say in his press conferences or not is irrelevant to the conversation.
You’ve taken things out of context and went off on a rant about the validity of press conferences and interviews and I still don’t get your point. I’ve had enough of this ridiculous conversation.
I saw Dino at Otto's in Dekalb
in what was easily the loudest show I’ve ever been to. Actually thought I was going to have to go to the hospital because my ears didn’t quit ringing for 3-4 hours after the show.
Ahh..it feels good to finally be posting this
Jerry Angelo…

Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 9:07 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I've been off the grid for 2 freaking days...
and JA AND MARTZ ARE GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WISH THIS WERE AN OPEN THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Oh. My. God.
Did you just become optimistic?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
The battle, between good (optimism) and evil (pessimism), continues my friend.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Lol
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
thats why i hated that people wanted martz back .cutler would have to learn a new system the offense would need time to sync togather. the past couple years rookie qbs have come in put up good numbers there first year with that being said cuttys a big boy and as long as we get an oc thatll work with what we have i think we’ll survive
Tony
by chitown-tony on Jan 4, 2012 9:10 AM CST via Android app reply actions
How high does your meatball bounce
I expect to hear a lot from the 50% that want Lovie gone after reading Haugh & Mulligan.
Keeping Lovie makes sense if you want to make one more run at it with the core you have now.
That 7-3 team looked pretty good, so a little help from F/A and the draft and one more go at it
before going into rebuild mold with a new coach and staff.
If you think that 7-3 team was smoke and mirrors and would have fell on it’s face even without
Cutler and Forte going down it would make sense to start the rebuilding now, the longer you wait
the longer it is going to take.
Personally I don’t think you tie the hands of a new GM by telling him he has to keep Lovie.
but I am encouraged that they are willing to give Jerry the Axe and leave no doubt that they
expect this team to win or else next year.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
This is where many of us have a problem with how this whole thing has been handled...
Personally I don’t think you tie the hands of a new GM by telling him he has to keep Lovie
I would be fine if they fired Lovie tomorrow but I’m also fine with him staying through next season on a short leash (playoffs or fired), as long as it was truly the decision of the new GM. To have Lovie help decide who the next GM is absolutely stupid but it’s so “McCaskey”.
In my book Jerry is the bad guy
I think Lovie is a better than average coach, but a GM has got to be able to run his team.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Personally, I don't have a lot of use for either one of them...
I think Lovie is an average coach at best and he did have quite a bit of input when it came to personnel, so when he gets complete absolution from the state of the talent on the roster, I think that’s unfair.
Again, Angelo sucked at evaluating too and I read an article where he supposedly tried to appease everyone when he made choices, which is not what a good GM should do so it was definitely time for him to go.
if by input you mean Lovie got to give Jerry his wish list
and Jerry went and drafted and signed the players “he” wanted. Then sure Lovie had quite a bit of input.
and by average do you mean better than the Cleveland Bill Belichick but worse than the NE Bill Belichick?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
When he signed his first extension, it was part of the contract that he had increased power in personnel decisions
Tim Hochemeyer and several other contributors here have provided documenation on that several times.
Average, is exactly that, he’s around a .500 coach. Generally, that gets you very little when it comes to playoffs and 4 of the last 5 years, it’s proven to be true.
inconclusive documentation since we have no way of accounting for what input Lovie actually
gave Jerry and how much Jerry actually acted upon.
What we have is a lot of guesswork and speculation and very little hard facts to go on.
Average results based on what level of players given him. I say average is pretty good given the endless supply of below average talent Jerry funneled his way every year. But you don’t want to allow me to have that argument you want to say Lovie is also responsible for the talent coming in too.
I am sorry if I am wrong, but you just seem like someone who is alway looking for someone to blame.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
by ed_brown on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You know ed, you had me fooled for a minute, I thought I could actually have a reasonable exchange
with you.
How is my opinion of Lovie more of a “blame” situation than your opinion of Angleo? Why is it that any mention of things related to Lovie are inconclusive but anything related to Angelo is definitive?
I’m not looking to “blame” anyone, I’m looking for the ownership of this team to actually hold all the people, including themselves, who are responsible for one championship team in the last 27 years accountable. As fans, we deserve better than that but if you’re happy with your “better than average” attitude, more power to you.
isnt that my point? Its not just one guy its owners, player, coaches, trainers etc.
I am not a fan because I want to hold people accountable.
The supreem being didn’t wisper in my ear a minute before I was born and tell me I have the right to a championship team every so many years.
Was Lovie a good coach from the begining of 2010 up until wheny got hurt because including playoff games the team went 19-9 over that period of time. I have a feeling your going to say no they won inspite of Lovie and the 1-6 finish is more indicative of Lovies coaching ability.
I’m a fan my attitude is I want to see my team win, I want to see my favorite players do well.
That is my attitude. You attitude seems to involve holding people accountable and belittling people because they are still fans even when their team or favorite player or coach is only a little better than average. Is holding people accountable more important than being a fan and enjoying your team warts and all.
And yes it is ok with me otherwise I would not be a fan through 384 wins 375 losses and 7 ties, I would have changed teams a long time ago If I was into holding them accountable.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
by ed_brown on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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and your Thunder from down under.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
*The draft and off season aquisitions *, will tell us if the new GM will keep Lovie on , or get rid of him next year.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 AM CST reply actions
I am seriously not following you here.
I think upper management will make it pretty clear that they expect the new GM to put together the best team possible for next season.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
*Who then will take the job *, there might not be too many Lovie fans. Now , what you suggest makes no sense.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions
I am still not following you?
Lovie has plenty of fans and detractors both.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Talking about the GM, please keep track, I’m getting confused.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Phillips Already Tried This Before, Matching a New GM with an Incumbent HC
The new GM then was Angelo and the incumbent HC was Jauron.
Does he think the second time will work?
our defense has the pieces
to win next year. if you bring in all new coaches you blow the team up. the different types of cover 2 is really the only D our guys can play. i want to see one more run from this team before we lose lach
with jauron we werent close
Two words
Jay Cutler
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
the yr before that team went 4-12
bears went to the nfccg last yr.
that team wasnt close to this one
and the year before Jauron went 4-12 he was 13-3
it doesn’t matter. The point is both teams had decent core players (younger versions of Urlacher and Briggs, a solid o-line) but this group needs to improve now, we can’t do anything about that Jauron team. I also don’t see why you would assume that even with Lovie gone, you’d be blowing up the defense. Who’s to say they wouldn’t bring in someone who could bring in a similar scheme or the ability to work with the players they have and possibly even improve them?
Bottom line is Lovie isn’t going anywhere next season and he’ll either make the playoffs or be gone at this time next year. Nothing else really matters….we have to agree on that point!!!
lol we do
i just dont see how its a big deal for a gm to come in and be told you cant fire lovie this offseason. after that do whatever you want.
And if Lovie goes 15-1 & wins a Super Bowl then what ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Then we all
do a little dance and just enjoy it. I approve of Lovie staying though, so really that would be some form of vindication for my feelings, lol.
I also approve of Lovie staying ....
…. and also think its a good move . Lovie has always seemed to respond to pressure so I think he and this team may be gearing up for some seriously good football this coming season .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just throwing this out there for discussion and not inferring this would actually be the case...
but to your earlier point (15-1 & SB champ), what do you think should happen if they start out the season something like 1-5 or 2-6 with little chance of making the playoffs? Do you let him finish out the year or do you make a bolder move in mid-season if someone like Cowher were available?
I don’t know that I have an opinion myself, just interested to hear what others might think.
I'm not a Cowher fan , but ....
….. if we start off slow I say let him finish up and see where the dust settles . My reasoning is our O will be learning a new system and could realistically start off a bit slow . A mid season pull like that is like throwing up a white flag and packin it in .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
let lovie coach for the yr.
you are not gonna hire the next LT coach in the middle of the season
lol then he stays.....
he just won a superbowl. you think the GM would be upset the team won the superbowl??!!
Gotta keep it real ya know ? .....
…. I mean we’ll pull our guys when we lock up homefield throughout the playoffs so I’m callin that game our one loss .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Not to many proponents of Tampa 2 out there my man. That’s why, a new coach, means, most likely a different view on the game overall.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I get that but they haven't played a true Tampa2 as much this year and I don't think that one scheme
is all these guys can play. Again, it’s a moot point since Lovie is here to stay.
I think you mean cover 2, the Bears are playing Tampa2.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
While we're hiring/firing people
any chance we could get Monte Kiffin away from USC? I don’t think Marinelli would mind. Kiffin as Assistant DCordinator/playcaller?
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
The problem that I see here, has to do more with the philosophical approach towards the game. You have to get someone that still believes in our Tampa 2 system, and draft accordingly, then somehow preserve Martz’s offense ( somewhat ), and help Cutler have some continuity. Though.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions
If you're still talking to Ed then there is a reply button you can use.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I think you where talking to me, not sure anymore, lol.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I have found what appears to be good news in regards to the search of the next GM for the Bears
One of the top GM prospects is reported to have interest with the Bears GM job:
But according to NFL.com, [Eric] DeCosta would be open to leaving Baltimore now and that the Bears’ job could "entice" him.
Also, there has already been a short list reportedly published by the Bears front office, and it goes as such:
Fritz Pollard Alliance chairman John Wooten shared the organization’s "short list" with the Sun-Times on Tuesday.
It included [Reggie] McKenzie, [Sheldon] White, Marc Ross (college scouting director for the Giants), Ray Farmer (director of pro personnel for the Chiefs), Will Lewis (vice president of player personnel for the Seahawks), Louis Reddick (director of pro personnel for the Eagles), Lake Dawson (vice president of football operations for the Titans) and Morocco Brown (director of pro personnel for the Redskins).
Other names to consider appear to be Vikes’ PPD George Patton, Packers’ CSD John Dorsey, and of course Bill Polian. Information all provided by this link from the Chicago Sun-Times.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions
Nice
I want them to choose the best available talent evaluator for offense. I think with Lovie and Hot Rod they have enough for the defensive side of the ball.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
What is also interesting is that Tom Clements, who the Bears tried to get last time, still seems to be a prime target for the Bears' OC job
It’s worth noting both the OC and QB coaching jobs are available, so perhaps they are aiming at someone who has worked with QBs. Perhaps they may give the Chargers’ QB coach a call, or, they may be gunning for Tom Clements, even though they were shot down back in 2010.
Marc Ross is a little known name who appears to be a hot topic in any GM search. And, he already may be off the list given he will be interviewing with the Seattle Seahawks, per this source:
1:37 p.m. UPDATE: Ross’ scheduled interview with the Seahawks has been confirmed by someone familiar with the conversation between Ross and the team. The person requested anonymity because he is not authorized to speak publicly for Ross or the Seahawks.
I would like Ross, given his recent success in the draft, which includes players such as Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Phillips, William Beatty, Terrell Thomas and others.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I would like Ross too
His 2007 draft, I think, was the best draft anyone has ever done. That draft made them SB Champs that year. Also, he knows talent when he sees it. The Jason Pierre-Paul selction frustrated a lot of Giants fans due to his small stature and the presumption that he’s another rotation guy who would never get a chance to be good.
We all seen how that turned out……….

Yeah.... I guess 6'5, 278 pounds is considered small these days.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
So if that is small these days
Is Osi considered the Tim Jennings of DEs?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting
note on decosta…..I question it though cause no legit source per se……
Though IF decosta did come to the Bears I wonder if he gives them the 3rd round pick balt lost in the draft day trade that wasnt last year……
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hells no !!!
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Steal from the Packers
McKenzie as GM. He brings in Tom Clements the QB coach as the new OC.
"He took a shot in the most sensitive and painful area" - MIke Tirico
by boondock_saint812 on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions
That would be a beauty, wouldn't it?
However, albeit the Packers can’t deny the Bears an interview with McKenzie, they certainly can deny the Bears permission to interview Tom Clements for the OC job, just like they did last time.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
His contract is up this year though, isn't it?
So they can interview/sign McKenzie and then deal with Clements after the Packers lose in the playoffs. :)
Still clements
is scheduled for a second interview for the penn state job….Though why someone would want that job…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Beats me
That program is a complete mess.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Rutgers guy will get the PSU job
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
he just stated today that he is not interested in the job….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
I'm not sure how all of that stuff works
I’m pretty sure a lot of teams will be looking at him to be an OC. The longer we wait, the less likely it is to happen.
And for those that think I’m kidding: TB, NYJ, KC, STL, MIA, SEA, amongst others are each expected to be looking for new OCs. Tom Clements will surely be a top name now that Norv Turner will indeed be staying in San Diego.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm liking the way you think .....
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
what i dont understand...
is why, after investing in a great QB, you hire Martz, who’s system is infamous for QB abuse.
this man needs to never be calling an offense again, anywhere (ok, maybe in Green Bay)
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM CST reply actions
Because...

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Very likely the next head coach for your Chicago Bears!
by emdub on Jan 4, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I rec' all Southpark memes.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
And green'd
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
OK I offically want Reggie McKenzie as our next GM . Whay you ask ?
Because you get 2 Wolves for the price of one . You get Eliot Wolf along with McKenzie & Ron Wolf by default . I think thats the move we need at this point .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions
Well that
And most likely it will attract Tom Clements, should he be available to interview for the OC job.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed my man !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
A perfect scenario would be this:
Reggie McKenzie agrees to become the new GM of the Chicago Bears. Moments later, Tom Clements follows McKenzie to Chicago, and is then named the OC, who agrees to take the current system left behind by Martz and modify it. Darryl Drake gets relieved of his duties as the WR coach, and it all gets concluded with the hirings of Jeremy Bates to be the QB coach and Clyde Christensen, Todd Haley, or perhaps Issac Bruce takes over as the WR coach.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Clements is a bright guy
All of this would be excellent, it’s like a perfect scenario. Written by a very optimistic Bears fan. But a lot of other teams need an OC, however, I don’t see any jobs out there being that much better than the Bears.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
Especially if the Bears are targeting big time players in the receiving position
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not forget who they should be making happy here.... This guy

by frenchbears113 on Jan 4, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm pretty sure Jay Cutler will be much happier to have a large #1 added to his receiving corps
Speaking of which, I wonder if he will have any direct input in the selection of his new OC as well as QB coach?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
He did have a say in the last OC selection, right?
And what about this salary cap floor, does that help or hurt the Bears for getting themselves a top notch FA WR?
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
It is rumored he had a direct impact on the hiring of Mike Martz
Nothing concrete, though. And, it should help the Bears gain a top notch WR, just depends on who is the new GM.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not rumor homie . Martz got the seal of ...
…. approval from Cutty right before he was hired …..
Martz interviewed with club officials on Friday, had dinner with Cutler the next night in Nashville, Tenn., and was chosen over Kevin Rogers, the Minnesota Vikings’ quarterbacks coach.
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's where I saw it!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yup , yup you know I gotcha back with the info angle !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
It looks like they each got the others approval.
But only one of them lived up to their end of the deal.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
I'm sure Cutler foresaw what we did
A wide open passing game like Chicago had never seen…however, no one saw the
1. O-line sucking something fierce
2. WR’s playing hot potato
3. questionable play calls
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So basically Cutler didn't have much in the way of high tier options.
I would definitely say he made the right call with Martz over Rogers.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
Well if you
want to truly believe that OK….
Lovie wanted martz from beginning Cutler would not have stopped him being hired…..But thats just my understanding from various Bears beat writers and insiders…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Reggie McKenzie > Bill Polian
For many reasons, but especially if they both bring family members. McKenzie’s twin brother is Rallo McKenzie from the old Redskins Hogs OLine. And I’m pretty sure we could find a job for him.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
Ehh I don't know where you can put him unless Tice either gets promoted or he is fired
The second being highly unlikely.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I think Tice gets that promotion
But my point was really, that I would much rather have Rallo McKenzie, instead of Chris Polian hanging around the Bears.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
correct me if im wrong but doesn't GB run a west coast offense
and Cutler thrived in one in Denver just not Josh McDumbie
No, that all seems correct.
I just can’t figure out what you’re replying to. Unless… McKenzie would be the GM, not the OC.
Bearsh!tt!n It ain't obscene- I'm a Bears fan that likes hittin and exclamation points.
I think our best option(s) lie outside Lovie's boundaries....
Which is why I am at best, skeptical…. but closer to fearful….
I want McKenzie just based on what GB was able to achieve, with so many injuries. Which btw highlighted our shortcomings, in a lot of areas.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions
If we can't get him
Another person within the same organization to look at is John Dorsey, the guy who is in charge of all the scouting Green Bay conducts prior to the draft.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be down with that
gotta evaluate that talent
He might not want to come here, just based on our rivalry , which is not what the old man Halas did for them. Way back.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions
Bears Fans I have news that has a potential to make everyone happy
According to John “Moon” Mullen, Reggie McKenzie appears to be perhaps the Bears’ top choice to become their new GM:
The name on the front-burner there is Green Bay football operations director Reggie McKenzie, who is a leading name in the Bears’ deliberations, sources have confirmed for CSNChicago.com.
And a little more as to why McKenzie may have interviewed the Ravens first:
One take is that McKenzie has been slow to move toward the Oakland job because of interest in Chicago. But the Bears’ job only opened on Tuesday, and that was a huge surprise around the league, so McKenzie may only now be taking his long look at Chicago.
Anyway if this all is true, that not only is Reggie McKenzie interested in taking the job with the Bears, but the Bears happen to have declared him their top choice, then we may very well be addressing him as GM Reggie McKenzie.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:07 PM CST reply actions
I'm lovin it !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 4, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh, overexcitement
Raiders*
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
That's Reginald McKenzie, to you sir.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
It’s been typed and published as “Reggie” each time I’ve seen it.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
It's a joke. Generally, Reggie is the short form of Reginald. A name I find extremely hilarious.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying this website should be the first grouo to start referring to him as Reginald. It will spread like wild-fire, and we will earn that top sports-blog spot next year.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 4, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
He's not Jerry Angelo
So he shall not me mocked!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Why!? Be**
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
lol
you have the best typos
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yes. Sadly I have probably had more self emitted typos than anyone else on these boards
At least I take the time to correct myself lol
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Reginald VelJohnson for Bears' GM.
"You have a young group and if they start feeling too good about themselves, that’s not a good thing. So it’s my job not to let them. So probably they will hate me. But that’s OK too. My wife hates me and she’s still married to me." - Mike Tice
Not surprised
Heard as much since the minute Angelo got the axe…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Considering reports from the beat writers about a closeness between Lovie Smith and Reggie McKenzie
Topped off with the fact he is seen as one of the top talent evaluators in the NFL working under perhaps the best talent evaluator in the NFL with Ted Thompson, he virtually meets all the requirements Ted Phillips and George McCaskey had set during their press conference.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 4, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
It's like signing a FA...
from another rival team. Make them less good, make you better! GB has great depth and youth and if this McKenzie character is even 10% responsible, he’ll be 100% better than JA!
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
hope this is legit
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm very encouraged by the news about McKenzie
And it has nothing to do with raiding the Packers. (Yeah, that was a lie!) He sounds like a perfect fit.
And trust me guys, we do NOT want Bill Polian. I’ve lived in Indy for 20 years and I’ve heard this first hand from multiple sources. This man is poison. Had the golden touch once but he’s leaving a lot of bad blood behind in a badly broken Colts organization. Baby Chris shares the blame but don’t forget it was the old man who put him in place.
If McKenzie goes to Oakland
Rick Reiprish of the Saints would be a great fit as Bears GM. He has a tremendous amount of scouting experience and organizing the Saints draft room for draft day. As far as the OC, Todd Haley would be a good choice in order to keep a Martz type of offense in Chicago. He ran a similar offense in Arizona and was Dick Jauron’s Receivers coach 2001-2003; Which Marty Booker ended up as a pro-bowler in one of those years.

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