Know Your Enemy - GM Search Edition
So apparently the Raiders act as fast on hiring a GM as they do using draft picks on guys that run like the Road Runner. With McKenzie heading out west to THE RRRAYDAS, and DeCasto deciding to wait until Ozzie Newsome retires in Baltimore to take over as GM there (which seems like the obvious rationale) we're down two GM candidates but only have two teams left to battle during the tumultous (and hopefully not lengthy) General Manager search. So, let's take an inside look at what the Bears have to offer a new GM versus the Colts and Rams. Jumpin' Jimmy Christmas!
Quick thought before we get into it - I think if Ron Wolf (former Packers' GM and McKenzie's old boss) wasn't involved in the Raiders' GM search McKenzie doesn't go there. What's the attractiveness other than California; Oakland traded away all but their fifth and sixth round picks in the upcoming draft (and next year's second rounder), have a power-hungry coach (that apparently could be on a shorter leash than Lovie), and unachieved in a year where they could/should have won the division. I don't get it, but, whatever.
We're going to hit some primary points of contention that an incoming general manager may scrutinize when comparing job opportunities. We're going to assume a few things, however, for simplicities sake: location, salary, and power are the same for all three positions. I'm sure in reality this is not the case, but frankly unless I bugged everyone associated with the decision-making process of each team, we wouldn't know the details until after the hiring, if ever.
Ownership
Bears: Yes, they can be viewed as stingy or old-fashioned, but the McCaskey's are willing to let a GM with a questionable draft record and middling success rate stay on the job for eleven years. Also, Gentleman George has been on the job less than a year and already is throwing out the garbage, updating the drapes, and inspecting the foundation.
Colts: Jim Irsay surprised a lot of people by firing the man (and his son) who's first act was drafting Peyton Manning, but Irsay is viewed as an owner willing to get involved in his team if necessary. However, his twitter account can sometimes be entertaining, confusing, or too revealing (team-wise, not you know, in other ways). After having the Polians around for so long, you don't know if Irsay is going to increase his say within the Colts' organization and be more of a puppet-master or not.
Rams: Stan Kroenke has only been the owner of the Rams for about a year, so its hard to get any kind of read on him, but his association Kroenke Sports Enterprise (he technically runs five sports franchises and is the primary shareholder of foosball team Arsenal) keeps him busy, likely meaning that he's going to be hands-off with the GM and run the Rams like a good businessman should (i.e. not like Jerry Jones). Oh, and he and George McCaskey totally need to have a mustache contest.
Head Coach Position
Bears: Lovie Smith has two years left from his last contract extension, meaning that 2012 for Lovie is going to probably be "playoffs (or more)" or else. An incoming GM doesn't necessarily want to be saddled with an incumbent Head Coach, but Lovie is on more of a tryout basis; if next year's great, keep him, if not (or you want him gone anyway) you can him.
Colts: Irsay hasn't made a decision yet on Jim Caldwell, which is surprising since at 2-14 you'd think he would want a complete break. But, commonsense says Irsay is going to hire a GM and then they'll make a decision on Caldwell's future.
Rams: Steve Spaghetti is gone, meaning this is the only GM job that offers you the immediate opportunity to hire your own Head Coach, which is an attractive option.
Quarterback
Bears: Jay Cutler's contract is going to have to be addressed soon, but out of the three teams, Chicago has the clearest QB scenario (not saying best, but easiest).
Colts: Irsay and the new GM have a mammoth decision to make regarding some bum who didn't even play last year and some kid named Luck. This has a high risk, high reward quality that a new GM could like, but Irsay could be the one dictating how this all plays out.
Rams: Sam Bradford was the last number one pick to get a huge guaranteed contract ($50 million!), and went from a promising rookie year to a injury-riddled and mediocre sophomore campaign. Its doubtful that the Rams would draft a new QB, but if Bradford continues to underwhelm a GM may be left with a hole at the most important position in sports.
Team Makeup
Bears: The last two years have shown what our immediate future is: a chance at great success with some luck and roster tweaking. A GM can look at this team and what it has done the last two years, build up the roster a bit, then make your mark on the roster to try and sustain a high level of success. Out of the three options, again, the Bears can offer the most immediate success rate.
Colts: Well, after seeing what happens when Manning doesn't play, I'm not sure anyone is looking forward to breaking down this team. After figuring out what to do with the quarterback position, then you have to address Reggie Wayne's free agency, the aging stars on defense Mathis and Freeney, another lackluster year at running back, and a sieving O-Line... but hey, all that can't be that hard, right?
Rams: This team was destroyed by injuries; not in the "one shot, one kill" to Manning's neck that railroaded the Colts, but injuries to quarterback, wide receiver, offensive line, and cornerback doomed any chance of success for this time. That being said, this team has talent but not enough yet, which is in part why a new GM/Coach will be brought in. Trying to flesh out a full roster will be tough, though, since the most talented guys they have are still not 100% proven commodities - Bradford's status next year will in part be dictated by other roster improvements offensively, while the defense has Long, Laurinaitis, and Quentin Mikell (yes, he had that good of a year) and little else going for it.
All in all, being the homer that I am, I say the Bears have the most attractive GM opening in the league. The Colts have THE question of the offseason at quarterback (not to mention who actually will be making that decision) while the Rams haven't had the health or talent to get anywhere near the playoffs under Sam Bradford. Let's hope we can make a decision for the best candidate, not the one that's still left.
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Just heard that mike wright interview
all I can say to that is ugh…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Notes from that
- Snead is still the main / top guy
- Lovie definitely has a hand in GM search and giving Bears brass names behind the scenes
- Lovie not interested in bringing in big name or up and coming guy
- Lovie wants someone that he is comfortable with
- Lovie has asked for Morocco Brown redskins director of player personnel
- Bears DO NOT want to eat tim ruskell contract and the new GM would have to keep ruskell on his staff
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
So basically Lovie is the one calling the shots..... I'm not surprised!
by frenchbears113 on Jan 6, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Whats that old saying
he is not driving the car but he is riding shot gun……
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
He's not in the driver's seat, but he's pretty damn close to it riding shot-gun.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
awesome
Not interested in an up and coming guy…
Way to aim high guys
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"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
It's the Bears.
Practically the New Cubs.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa there, pump the brakes.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Say no to Morocco Brown!
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
As a matter of fact, I can see why Lovie wants him
Morocco Brown is a former member of the Bears’ front office. And, he has made some very strong moves regarding the defense. Nothing going on offense, though.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
That's the problem though.....
Lovie seems to be trying his hardest at not keeping up with the times. He still puts more emphasis on the defense instead of his offense and wants to stick with a run-heavy approach. If that’s the case then why was Cutler, a bazooka-armed QB, traded for in the first place if he’s not going to be able to go toe to toe with the best? The Bears are a LT, #1 WR and solid TE away from being a pretty good passing offense yet Lovie seems to want to handcuff his stud QB. It’s as if he doesn’t want the offense to get any kind of attention. End rant lol!
by frenchbears113 on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think its as run-heavy as some would think
And Jay Cutler played his best ball in a run-heavy type offense in Denver. The entire concept of a tough running game coupled with what Tice wants as a big play passing game is exactly what Jay Cutler needs. He has taken a severe amount of abuse under Martz, they feel its best to be far more balanced.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think any offense that brings back PA boot, movement of the pocket and not in the pocket is going to suit our team best. I feel like we will maybe need to pick up another quality back to take some of the load of Forte, possibly.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking surprizingly enough
Marion Barber will not only remain with the Bears, but play an even larger role.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I mean, that would not be the worst thing ever. He was pretty solid, minus about 24 seconds of mindless, inexcusable football.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
But, but
It was the defense that lost the game!
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Jan 6, 2012 7:40 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If it resembles Houston and/or Tennessee's offense than I'm all for it.
Schaub can sling it and obviously they have Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels and of course a beastly run attack with Foster and Tate. Also I know CJ2K sucked this season but the Titans passing offense was still pretty good even without Britt.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
These offenses run similar concepts to what the Bears are about to run
Steelers, Ravens, Texans, Titans, and Giants. Note 4 of the 5 are in the playoffs, 3 of which division champions and most if not all of them play in outdoor stadiums.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
That would be an awesome awesome development.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Considering the condition of our..."turf"
A power based offense with a big play passing game would certainly work a LOT better than trying to force a Martzfense to play on that crap. And, that is ultimately the key to beating the Packers; play keep away from Aaron Rodgers then put intense pressure on him when he has the ball.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Or we could do the DayGlo Orange artificial turf idea...
and have Peppers plant Rodgers into the ground play after play.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe we could lure Jackie Brown out of retirement.
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
I'd personally get Nino Brown but that's just me.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
And then we'd have Ice T running around saying..."I want to kill you so bad my d***'* hard!" and a worse drug epidemic than Sam Hurd could've implemented.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
With Lovie pretty much running the show and the terrible feeling that Ruskell will be made GM...... I guess I don't care if that's what happens
by frenchbears113 on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
a sobering thought indeed
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
I see what you did there.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, who?

When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Loved
that cartoon….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Secret Squirrel rocks.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Brown. Ahhhhhhh....
At least the posts will be colorful when he crashes down into a flaming dog turd.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
omg
lovie is insane. no big names is one thing(however idiotic that is) but not an upcomer?! wtf. you just want a guy to shoot the sh*t with from time to time. i have been a huge lovie supporter but if this is true then i dont even know
reading that makes me livid. that literally means he doesnt want someone excellent
I am slightly now.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
If Ruskell gets named GM then I'll be concerned , but not until then . There are plenty ......
…. of solid candidates we can still make a run at , Les Snead being at the top of the list .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
We have an interview set up for him yet?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't look like it as of yet , but he already has an interview with the Rams . My gut feeling ...
…. tells me that Snead will be interviewed & I think he ends up being the guy for us .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I certainly hope he does
Yet I’m still wondering if the Bears will be interviewing Marc Ross of the Giants. He seems to fit the criteria quite well. He has drafted for another Tampa 2 type philosophy in New York, and he also understands offense. Not only does he draft well, he also has experiance attacking FA.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's Perry Fewell?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I appreciate you talking me off that ledge....
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
No problem man !
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Good write up.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
F*%$ Lovie Smith, I hope he gets fired next season.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Lovie Smith's slow, comforting drawl with re-hypnotize you. It's just a matter of time.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
All Glory to the Hypno-Lovie?
He needs to focus on being a coach DURING the game and let the front office issues fall as they will. His input should be welcome but left at input. If he is worried about his job after 2012, all he has to do is win (and not just the occasional challenge)
All correct.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Add Lovie's voice to Hypno-Toad and you got yourself a weapon for world domination.
We Love Hypno Toad.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And I'm taking
The first pimpmobile outta here. So long, jerkwads!
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 6, 2012 7:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Apparantly the top guy as of now is Les Snead of Atlanta
Yet Lovie has his own guy, former Bears Asst. DPP Morocco Brown:
Prior to re-joining the Redskins, Brown spent the previous seven seasons as Assistant Director of Pro Personnel with Chicago (2001-07). He directed the scouting of upcoming AFC opponents and the Arena Football League for the Bears. During his tenure in Chicago, the Bears captured the 2006 NFC Championship and made the club’s first Super Bowl appearance since 1985.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM CST reply actions
The Arena League scout?
I’ll bet he found Rashied Davis!
When Mike Ditka calculates pi it's decimal representation ends.
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Had his moment
in 06 when he caught that pass in the NFCDG to set up Gould game winning FG against seattle…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Oh, so he was around when drafted
David Terrel, Michael Haynes, Rex Grossman , Dan Bauzin, etc etc
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Yes I was
And i figured someone would question me calling the holy sport foosball.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 6, 2012 2:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
it's soccer.
It doesn’t deserve to be in the same sentence as football.
A horrible boring sport, soccer is.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at ESPN, here is a revised list of Bears candidates:
Others still in the mix for the Bears job are believed to be Falcons director of player personnel Les Snead, Packers director of college scouting John Dorsey, Colts personnel director Tom Telesco and Eagles personnel director Ryan Grigson.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions
Its a much longer list than that ......
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 6, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Of course it is
I’m curious when Ted Sundquist will be brought in.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully soon .....
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully the same time Bozo the Clown gets his turn.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Dickerson
stated that from what he had heard Bears have not inquired about telesco…..Didnt think he was on the list…..Those other names are though…..
dorsey however just declined a chance to GM the colts……So wonder if he wants to leave green bay…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
I do know Ryan Grigson will be interviewing with the Bears soon
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
How'd you come upon this?
And Grigson the guy from Philly?
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Was in the media this
morning and yes…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Posted it in fanshots
And yes. Ryan Grigson of Philly
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry. I have to keep my screen pretty minimized at work.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Productivity
Ha…..Actually I do the same….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Grigson sounds pretty nice at this point. I wouldn't be mad about Snead, either.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
So,
When are the Bears going to announce Ruskell as our GM? I’m thinking late next week.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
sounds like that wouldnt be far from the truth
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Not funny
Not at all.
If its free, take two.
by T.J. Shouse on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's a little funny.
Because you could actually see it happen. Typical Bear move, make a pretense of a “search” for an offensive coordinator GM and then just promote from within. Plus they already announced that he would be staying on no matter what.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Na if they
go the typical Bears move they will hire morroco brown say see were changing we hired someone that won (with the Bears) in the past with out actually changing anything because in reality he is Lovie’s guy……
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Also not gonna happen , just not gonna happen .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
This has been one of the least productive weeks of work....ever. There is too much HOT F*ING STOVE news going on. Love it.
And hate it.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
guys
At least we can appreciate what theo is doing with the cubs. The man is on FIRE! WE got Rizzo!!!!
now about soriano >.>
Boooooo
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously though, is it that far of a stretch to ask Theo to take Phillip's job?
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I would definitely welcome that
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto.
Maybe we could sneak it in as a side project of Theo’s.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Jan 6, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Power vacuum
It’s the only thing I can think of that would attract McKenzie to the Raiders over the Bears. There’s no room for “up and comers” cause of the horrible structure that is the Bears front office.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
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