The Bears Den: January 9, 2012
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"...where we're like NFL referees...with all our brain cells."
Tice excited about assuming new role Newly appointed Bears offensive coordinator Mike Tice discussed his new role on ESPN 1000's "Carmen, Jurko and Harry Show".
Lovie goes with Tice that binds Jensen: The Bears still plan to hire an offensive line coach as well as a quarterbacks coach who will be consulted on the passing offense.
Bears might look at Giants exec Marc Ross for GM job Jensen: Ross is wrapping up his fifth season as the Giants’ director of college scouting. Around the NFL, the Giants are respected for their player evaluation, consistently capitalizing on the draft to build their roster.
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Bears' Smith doing it his way Parr: While there was no general manager in place to offer consultation, the Bears entrusted Lovie Smith with the power to hire their new offensive coordinator.
Time to hold Lions to a higher standard Seifert: After returning to relevance this season, the Lions have earned themselves big-boy treatment moving forward.
Breaking down NFL Wild Card weekend Matt Bowen has three things from each game that you should be talking about.
Tebowmania lives in Denver ... but the real world intrudes King: Not the greatest weekend for start-to-finish drama, but the Denver-Pittsburgh overtime thriller made up for those earlier 21-, 17- and 22-point playoff games.
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If the Bears don't promote Tim Ruskell
I’m going to be piiiiiiissed.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Lemme guess
Cause if the Bears were to hire a competent GM, everyone on these boards would then be happy, and you would get bored?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
I like site traffic.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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love those lemmings running for the ledge?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
actually "the ledge" would make a great recurring post.
right now just the name Ruskell sends a lot of the faithful close to the ledge.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
And today's "Ledge-jumping" topic is...
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 9, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
reports of the Bears signing jailbait jones always forces me closer to the edge.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I'd read it.
And maybe try to incite people to jump off the deep end.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
Hey Kev, you should request they put a window to your, cubicle.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 9, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
My office has a couple of windows.
But thanks for the suggestion.
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you use them to laugh at Steven
as he washes then for you don’t you
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What.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
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i hope youre being facetious
i really, really do.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
If the Bears promote Ruskell,
I might have to find a new team to root for.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
do we really have to think such dark thoughts?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah for real...........
I don’t want Ruskell either but I’m not going to abandon the team I love. True fans stick with their teams through the darkest of times. I just won’t go to a game or buy any Bears merchandise anytime soon. I’ll protest them where it hurts….. Their wallets.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you! except I have to have a Bears cap for my bald head cept for that.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
It's definitely a good thing to hear a ringing endorsement on Marc Ross given by his boss in New York
Both Marc Ross and Les Snead, who is now available to interview, would be great hires.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 7:40 AM CST reply actions
Reading Moon
he said something to the effect of “The Bears never got in on Decosta”, but I could swear I read multiple sources report they contacted the Ravens, and then he shunned all potential employers by choosing to remain with the Ravens.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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also Angelo's consolidation of scouting under Ruskell seems rather omnious now.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
If we dont bring in someone new for GM...
I am running off of that ledge, moving to NOLA and converting to Who Dat nation. On a positive note, I love what Mike Tice is saying. If we can get Colston and draft a guy, I think we will be in good shape. And I dont see how we dont sign 22 now. Management cant put full faith in Lovie and not sign Forte when Lovie and staff is saying how they want to run the ball.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 8:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I really like what Tice said in his interview.
Im glad to hear that his primary concerns are protecting Cutler and bringing in another playmaker at WR.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Another?
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
lol why from FA or the Draft ofcourse!
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Drafting a WR, would make me a lot happier. No more re threads please.
by transylvanian bear on Jan 9, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
does it matter as long as it happens
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
SB nation has us drafting
Juron Criner WR with our 19th pick. 6’4" 215lbs from AZ St
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 9:12 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I went through a number of early mocks Saturday, including Walter Football, Bleacher Report, Todd McShay, etc.
And our #19 pick ranged from Reif (OT Iowa or Ohio States LT), Vontez Burfict (LB AzSt), Jeffries (WR, SCU) & Floyd (WR, ND), a few defensive ends, and one or two corners.
It will definitely be interesting.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I would love to get Jefferies or Floyd.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Rather have Reif at LT and just go after a FA receiver. I guess I don't care either way as long as something is done to make the offense better.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
We are on the same page.
It should just be determined by best available though.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Saw one with the Bears selecting Peter Konz with the 19th overall pick
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
ZOMG
I FORGET. IF WE’RE HIGH ENOUGH FOR BURFICT… IT MEANS WE’RE PROBABLY HIGH ENOUGH FOR LUKE KUECHLY.
CRYING. CREYING. ALL THE THINGS.
whew
Anyway. I think we’ll have better luck drafting an OT in the first (Adams from Ohio State), and plucking a FA WR, and drafting one of those nice, deep receivers… Like Mohamad Sanu or Nick Toon in the second or Dwight Jones (if his knee checks out) or McNutt even later…
I mean, other options would be signing Levi Brown from Arizona to play LT (as he was drastically improving over there on the left side) but that’s not a sure thing… Maybe another year of Tice will win the hearts and minds of the current group of lackeys at LT.
The CB depth isn’t terrible either picking up someone like Ryan Steed (Furman) in the mid rounds who’s a smart, intelligent tackler who has good coverage skills and can effectively leverage WRs but lacks a lot of the elite CB speed or Donnie Fletcher (Boston College, Go Eagles) who has great agility and presence in zone coverage, good vision for the ball, and a solid tackler… Makes me giddy thinking about all the good BC prospects.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 9, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
No on Floyd to me
I think he is going to be too slow at the next level and have a tough time getting separation.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Thats what folks said about Fitzgerald too . How'd that work out ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 9, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
One is a proven commodity
The other isn’t.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 10, 2012 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Fitz wasn't proven when folks said that about him ......
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 10, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Fitzgerald dominated his college competition
I would not say the same about Floyd
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Jan 10, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'd argue quite the contrary .....
….. Larry Fitzgerlad’s final college seasons stats
92 REC , 1672 YARDS , 18.2 YPC & 22 TD’s
Mike Floyds final college seasons stats
100 REC , 1147 YARDS , 11.5 YPC & 10 TD’s
So while the TD’s are a bit lopsided you gotta figure Larry had very solid QB play to fuel his stats while Floyd had shaky QB play and still put up similar numbers .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 10, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Tyler Palko was far from solid
Having watched both, Fitzgerald was head and shoulders above Floyd regardless of QB play.
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Jan 10, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
if there is a top notch lineman in the first round they have to take them
WR tend to be easier to find in general.
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Jan 10, 2012 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
Never heard of him
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
They still think Angelo is GM.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 9, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Just looked him up while conducting my first mock draft
He normally has received a grade between the 6th and 7th rounds. No. Thanks.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I hadnt heard of him either
i have the new SB nation app and thats what they had for the Bears first round pick. That why I posted it. havent seen that name yet.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Damn....
and here, I was hoping for an evil genius to swoop to clone Megatron and Larry Fitzgerald…
by David in Maine on Jan 9, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Both.
More often than not, rookie WR’s arent game changers their first season. This year seems to be deep in both, the FA and the draft class. We still need at least 2 anyway. Unless we bring back REW and Sam Hurd. I think we need to get Colston or Vjax. I dont think Bowe is gonna be let out of KC. If we can get either one of those guys, I could see us possibly drafting that kid Wright from Baylor. I think Floyd and Jefferies will be gone at 19. Or we could wait until the 2nd round for another player and draft OL or Defense with our first pick.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 8:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No way in Hell Sam Hurd will be back....
Odds are REW won’t either, since Martz is gone…..
by David in Maine on Jan 9, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
which is why we need at least 2 wr's
Sanzenbacher could take his talents elsewhere too.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The thing is
the Bears will have to overpay for one of those top guys and I am not sure they will do it.
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
Cutler and Marshall were having a lovefest over the twitters Saturday night.
Cutty wants Marshall to join him in Chicago and it sounds like Marshall wants that too. Would have to be a trade, though.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Wouldn't it be interesting to see both Cutler's favorite target from the Broncos and his go to guy from Vandy on the same team?
Brandon Marshall and Earl Bennett would make one hell of a 1-2 punch in the receiving corps.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
With Hester/Knox as our deep threat?
Yes please!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Lost in the lovefest
was that Cutler was also trying to recruit his former LT Ryan Clady to join them. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Webb, huh?
Well would he rather have an All-Pro LT or J'Marcus Webb?
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
If he can be had.
I’d sell the house.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 9, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see that
But wasn’t Clady a RT? And how big of a contract did he sign in Philly?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Clady is the Bronco's LT out of Boise State, drafted a couple spots before Chris Williams
only allowed 1 sack his rookie year…your thinking of Harris…I think that his name
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So he is a LT
And is he a FA when the year is over? How big of a contract did he sign?
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Never mind
Found that out for myself. He currently has 1 more year left on his contract.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
And sadly...
He’s not a RFA either in his 4th year.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
One spot exactly
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Jan 9, 2012 11:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
wildcard weekend
after watching some very good games yesterday, i am looking foreward to some very good football next weekend as well.but the week after i would,nt mind seeing the Saints play the Giants, as i think that could very well be a great game.
He wouldn't own any unless Johnson was passing to him.
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by badsamaritan on Jan 9, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny That the Bears Have yet to Interview Anybody for the GM spot.
I guess Ted Phillips is too busy playing Angry Birds on his iPhone to be bothered.
We have been without a GM for almost a whole week now!
how is this possible?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah, heaven forfend they take a deep breath and look around at candidates.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah the Bears keep looking and just look
while the Rams and Colts already conduct interviews and the Raiders hired one.
That was my point.
Okay, McKenzie was off the board quick.
They got shot down when they went after DeCosta. They were linked to Sundquist last week.
They’ve done more than “look.” But because no one’s locked up, they’ve been holding an intercompany chess tournament. Gotcha.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 9, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Why not just an interview?
At least an interview shows youre interested.
Sure beats a twitter post saying you might be interested to a potential GM.
LOL "are we there yet?"
it has only been a week for pete’s sake.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Yeah.
The league may be moving faster than it has to as a whole.
The good news is: We’re only competing with Indy.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry
But not interviewing a single candidate in over a week is a cause for concern.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
really
what are some of those concerns?
If we had a GM everybody would be on vacation at Halas Hall right now.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Resting on their laurels
Doing what they always do; not a whole lot. Accepting mediocrity. Why can’t they schedule an interview with one of the many Packer executives? How about the guy from the Giants? They are plenty of candidates to call and interview.
They would get a better understanding of who would be a good fit for their GM spot, but instead they just wait….wait for something or someone to magically appear.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
.... He was fired six days ago.
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 10, 2012 7:28 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
It’s just like the Bears not even attempt to interview a single candidate. Do we know if they’ve even picked up the phone. Falls in line with their status quo ways.
What if they hire Ruskell? Sounds like there’s a pretty good chance it happens.
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I think it’s been longer than a week, more like several years
Fix the Offensive Line
by touchdown bears on Jan 9, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Tice is excited and I guess he should be.
I was checking the offense line stats at Football Outsiders and noticed that in 2011 the Bears power running success rate was 61% up from 44% in 2010. The run blocking improved all across the line unfortunately the pass blocking really didn’t improve much but this team seems poised to leap back in time or get off the bus running as Lovie would say.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
If there is one thing this years post season has been full of...
It is getting of the bus running and strong defensive play.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 8:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
sharing the backfield
just like the Giants, Bradshaw and Jacobs, just keep pounding the line. not too mutch of an effect on the first half, but as the game gets longer, that opposing Dline gets worn out and if the games kept close then BINGO lights out
Nothnig like planning for the future...
think we’ll revive the T-formation of legend?
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
You throw the ball to your running backs a lot in the T-formation. :o)
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Didn't Sweetness operate out of the T with Matt Suhey?
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
lol think that was the "eye" formation.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Did the power running success rate go up because of improvements on the line
or because of the difference between Marion Barber and Chester Taylor?
This is why Jerry should have been fired years ago.
you don’t need an offensive line, just a different running back or a shorter drop by the QB etc.
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--Doug Plank
I bet it would have been even better if Carimi didn't get hurt
and we didn’t have to see multiple Gate 68 games
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Roy E Williams
i do not mind him returning, with a full pre season camp under his belt and another WR picked up(either rookie or FA) we would still have double threat. i am also hoping we keep Barber alongside Forte (pay the man) also Bell. We would have a double threat if we were to line up any two in a T formation.
Yes on Barber
No on R.E.W. unless we dont get Colston, Stevie Johnson or Vjax. those guys are fairly proven talents.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 9:22 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Martz's expectation that Roy "could" catch 70 balls wasn't far off.
If he wouldn’t have dropped every other ball, he may have hit that mark.
He’s worthless. See ya.
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by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, a percentage of it.
But there are no excuses down the stretch, or even past game 3 for that matter. His season, for me, was summed up by the play against the Chiefs on the goal line. All year his drops were just really annoying; that play was a game-ender.
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by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
i agree
i have to agree with you on that one, but if say they were to get him for 1 more season but with a proviso in that he gets what he is paid for so much per catch with deductions for non catches and drops plus so much per yard after the catch
Roy Williams for Free Agent!!!
He’s got my vote.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 9, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
As a 3rd or 4th receiver I have no problem bringing him back.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
This.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Lol, I would applaud that contract. Good luck getting RW or his agent to sign it though.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
While he caught a pretty good number of the passes thrown his way
the passes he didn’t catch were outright drops (they weren’t bad passes, or defended passes). He wasn’t a disaster, but he looked old and not crafty.
we first of all if you are going to catch 70 passes they have to throw it at you more than 63 times.
out of 63 passes thrown his way he dropped 7 and caught 37 so he could have caught 44 max with no drops.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
It sure SEEMED like he dropped more than 7
Honestly, several of those drops were on “catchable” but not well thrown ball. The KC one was a game-changing no excuse drop though. Gotta catch that one.
yet everyone seems to love Barber and he actually lost a game for us.
and his penalty in the KC game cost us a TD and would have changed the game. Why are we so willing to overlook the shortcomings of some players but not others.
except for Bennett all of our WR’s are dropatumus’s yet it is always worse when Roy drops one
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I say NO to any ex cowboys..current and future
Cut REW and Barber then let Bell and Mondo Backup Forte. Id rather have Ruskell as a Gm than to sign another ex cowboy.
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by EmmCeee on Jan 9, 2012 11:02 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Roy did lead the team with 7 drops
Tied for 10th in the league for most drops, and he wasn’t exactly targeted that much.
Roy had 7 drops on 37 receptions.
Benjamin Watson (Cle) also had 7 drops on 37 receptions.
Brandon Gibson (StL) had 7 drops on 36 receptions.
Dallas Clark (Ind) had 9 drops on 34 receptions.
Jermichael Finley (GB) had 11 drops on 55 receptions.
Top 5 in the league in drop percentage isn’t very good.
(Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Marshall weren’t very good at catching the ball either.)
I wonder where the Bears as a team rank in total drops
Sanzenbacher had 6 drops on 27 receptions.
Hester had 5 drops on 26 receptions.
Johnny Knox had 3 drops on 37 receptions.
Sam Hurd had 0 drops on 8 receptions.
Earl Bennett had 0 drops on 24 receptions.
Drops as a percentage of completions doesn't make much sense.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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It is imperfect
drops / (receptions + drops) ~ catch rate for catchable balls.
How is this
targets/catches/drops
69/37/3 knox
63/37/7 REW
56/26/5 hester
54/27/6 sauzenbacher
43/24/0 EB
just for fun Roddy White 180/100/15 pretty close to our top 3 combined
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
It really dosen't come as a surprise
with Ted being on another of his “most excellent adventures” that he hasn’t jumped in, or seems not to have, with both feet to test the GM waters!! He will “dick around” with this as he usually does things and then wonder what the hell happened when no quality candidates either aren’t available or aren’t interested in the way he and the Bears do business, it’s too bad, with change nothing has changed, it’s got the McCaskey/Phillips brand all over it. I do like the Tice thing though, the man at least seems to have a clue, an idea or two that actually resonate, whether or not he can get anything implemented will remain to be seen with two of the three stooges still in place, not getting to excited yet, Phillips reputation/track record precedes him.
"Football is easy if your crazy as hell.." Bo Jackson
I would think that George would find the hiring of Ruskell as a major failure by Phillips.
With many a “better” qualified candidate out there, if the Bears are reduced to hiring Ruskell (as would appear is their fallback plan), it would look just like the Martz hire – no one else was willing to take the job.
Phillips himself is a major obstacle to the GM hire. I think most GM’s would be content with the coaching staff in place – they ain’t awful, but having to report to Beavis would be a deal killer.
Let’s hope I’m wrong.
Being a meatball not only makes me delicious, but it also makes me all warm inside.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 9, 2012 9:41 AM CST reply actions
Dickerson on ESPN 1000
- chance ruskell gets the job: tough but puts it at 30%
- If that happens ensures continuity and gives Lovie more control of the roster
- Front office jobs are a cut throat business in the NFL Have people floating names and cashing in favors
- Of course the internal people want ruskell to be next GM all the scouts / front office people contracts are up in May He gets the job most if not all of them would be brought back
- Thinks Bears prefer to hire someone outside organization
- Bears are not known for going out and getting a top GM guy since they needed a search firm to find Angelo
- Officially they have not interviewed anybody but have made a few requests for interviews
- Thinks search will pick up now
- Thought they took this past week to do their fact finding before setting up interviews
- Snead should be brought in this week BUT he is known to be charismatic and open Doesnt think the people up at Halas Hall like those types
Passing game coach
- Cutler absolutely wants Loggins Legit up and coming offensive mind
- Doesnt think titans will let loggins out of contract
- Bates is a possibility since he is out of football for a year
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Hub Arkush
- Doesnt buy ruskell as next GM
- Really thinks they go outside for next GM
- ruskell is Angelo best friend and phillips just fired Angelo
- Doesnt think phillips would do that
- Not odd AT ALL that the Bears have not hired / interviewed anyone yet
- Other 3 jobs have not seen much movement either
- colts AND rams have NOT talked to anyone yet either
- Fisher is close to signing on with rams and he would then steer the GM search
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
The GM situation in St. Louis has the potential to get far worse than it is in Chicago
I’m wondering if they won’t go ahead and name Jeff Fisher the HC and GM of the St. Louis Rams. And, whomever takes over in Indy has to make the decision to either keep Peyton Manning while asking the #1 overall pick Andrew Luck to sit on the bench for the year, or trade Peyton Manning and rebuild the team from scratch.
I’m thinking the Bears’ management knows of this already, and thus are being patient to interview candidates. Its not always a good thing to be first in line, after all.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
IIRC I read that if
the colts trade pmanning that colts would take a 20 mill salary cap hit…..Also seen that pmanning is willing to work out his big bonus to stay on the colts….If Fisher gets the rams job I guess it will work similar to what the eagles do with reid and hire a GM in title only ….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Which would certainly turn any candidate off in regards with St. Louis
Even though Lovie Smith is the HC of the Bears and will be kept, at least the GM in Chicago will have all the powers GMs normally would receive.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Except if the Bears hire
tim ruskell (morocco brown)…..Right??……Ok that was mean I apologize….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Out of the box thinking for the Colts:
trade the #1 to Minnesota for Ponder, this years 1 and next years 1. I read somewhere that Luck is worth 3 #1s. You get 2 #1’s plus Ponder to groom as Peyton’s understudy. I just see Luck sitting behind Manning as a combustible situation.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I Think Manning is done
trade Manning for another 1st rounder and grab Luck so you get an extra pick.
I believe the details are
he has a $28 million option due March 8th, and the trade window begins on the 13th or some such.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @Kev_WCG
where would Manning land if he was cut I wonder?
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
HUB being rational??? What a switch
and not one backhand at the organization
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
drive him to the doctor's office
sumthin not right.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Hypothetically if Ruskell gets it.
Everyone might get the axe next year.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
But if they make the playoffs
then everyone gets extensions…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Maybe that's Georges plan,
I never looked at that angle, give Phillips enough rope and maybe, just maybe….I can only hope that George looks at it that way ( hiring Ruskell ), not being what he was thinking when he said dump Angelo. Yes , I do agree that the “staff” outside of Phillips aren’t awful, I think Smith could become a good soldier with the right GM hire, at least for a year. Ruskell may be Phllips easy way to get it done, I don’t see any upside there, just business as usual…I think they are floating the continuity thing out there for a smoke screen, when they really have no idea what the hell is going on.
"Football is easy if your crazy as hell.." Bo Jackson
Since people are posting picks from mock drafts relating to the Bears
Here would be my “dream” offseason in general:
Bears trade their earlier 3rd round pick to the Dolphins for Brandon Marshall and sign Brandon Carr in FA, then in April:
1st Round: Quinton Coples, DE, UNC.
2nd Round: Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
3rd Round: Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
4th Round: Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
5th Round: Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
6th Round: Marcus Forston, DT, Miami
7th Round: BPA
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions
Seen Couples
listed as a top 10 to 15 pick by most draftniks….Broyles is coming off a torn ACL….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
That's why he'd be a steal in the later rounds but not in the first 3 rounds.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
True but
you constantly hear fans rip on Angelo taking any injured players (even though it was in the early rounds)….IMO those same people would do the same if this did happen even if it was in the later rounds…..Just my guess….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
True but unlike Wootton, Broyles never had an injury history. If he drops into the late rounds then people really shouldn't complain because after the 3rd it's pretty much a crapshoot at that point.
A perfectly healthy player can suck big time just as much as a guy coming off an injury.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Wooten had a injury
history before his ACL tear?…..
Still like I said below people would want help at the WR core (or corps) that can help now…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I know but not if he's the ONLY receiver chosen in the draft. As a late rounder he can be a ST's player and a #3 or #4 receiver.
I agree with you that people are going to want instant results but I think if he’s there in the late rounds, then I don’t see what the big deal is with having depth. He’ll continue to recover and it’s not as if he was an average player when he was healthy. He was a pretty good receiver so a guy like him wouldn’t be so far behind in terms of development I would think.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
With Coples I know he is a top 10-15 pick
Normally every year there is one top 10-15 player that somehow falls out of the top 15. I’m thinking someone will goof up and select Whitney Merciless ahead of Coples as a 3-4 type OLB. And Broyles was easily a 1-3 round pick before tearing his ACL, he is one extremely talented player worth drafting in the later rounds.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yes I saw
broyles list as a 2nd and 3rd rounder by various people….Just think the Chicago media (and some fans) would rip the pick apart even if he was drafted in the later rounds because he is coming off ACL surgery because the Bears need help at the WR position now not in the future…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Then consider this
He would only be brought in as a role player, with Marshall and Bennett being the primary receivers with Allen as well as Sanzenbacher being #3 and #4. Broyles would remain in the slot, his best fit.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I see that
Just playings devils advocate…..Personally sazenbacher should be let go have Knox and WR FA (insert name here) start keep Bennett in the slot and draft a WR that can back up Knox and slowly phase Knox out…..But thats just me…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Actually keep Sanzenbacher and Knox
We had 6 receivers last year, let’s keep that amount the same. Marshall, Bennett, Knox, Broyles, Hester and Sanzenbacher. Cut Kyle Adams to make room for Dwayne Allen at TE.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
No
IIRC at one point sazenbacher was #1 or 2 in drops with 10 on only 15 catches or something like that…..Not seeing it…..I mean I remember balls going right through his arms or bouncing off his chest…..Knox I just worry about the neck injury plus his will going over the middle with that injury (which I wouldnt blame him for really)…..
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
He's got potential
and with a short off-season and very little camp he was able to show some good flashes.
He’s worth holding onto, more so than Roy.
If you're really concerned about Sanzenbacher
Then play Knox and/or Broyles in the slot, and keep Sanzenbacher on special teams.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
No
Once I get Madden 13 sazenbacher is cut…..Its over sazenbacher bye bye……
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Sanzenbacher average only
We should be able to get someone better than him.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
you would think so.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I've seen Couples in the top 5 on a lot of big boards.
I love his talent though. Sweet god.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 9, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Coples is going to be a bust.
I’ve seen every game he’s played in, and he can be very good in one on one situations, but whenever he goes against quality O-lines or gets double teamed, he disappears. Completely. It’s unacceptable at the college level. Imagine how he’ll do against NFL lines.
He also has technique problems, which don’t translate well for NFL D-linemen.
I think that has a chance to be true if he is stuck on a D-Line with no other form of talent
But, if you play him in Chicago where Julius Peppers and Henry Melton are on the same line, Quinton Coples wouldn’t be double teamed and he could thrive.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
the truly exceptional D-linemen
who are worthy of a top-10 or top-15 pick should be able to generate their own pressure. Look at Mario Williams. He has played with some crap lines and he has always been phenomenal.
He’s not worth the pick where people are placing him at. Agreed, he’ll thrive if he’s on a good lineman, but then again, any d-lineman has a good shot at that playing on a good line that has players demanding double teams.
I firmly believe he would be an excellent pick with the 19th overall selection of the 1st round.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Why do that when we could go sign Mario Williams . He's a FA you know ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 9, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Cause he too could command a huge salary
Combined with the fact he’s coming off a pretty serious injury.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
And your point ? Then we'd have what it takes to destroy the evil Aaron Rodgers .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
forgot about that...
might be a nice idea. if he comes back healthy, but i imagine the texans will want to retain him.
I think more of a risk to be a bust
let’s focus on high energy, productive football players than workout wonders
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Well the Bears
didnt have much of a pass rush those last 5 or 6 games…..Seen people say they need a pass rush DE opposite Peppers in various media….Wouldnt be surprised if they drafted DE and safety in the early parts of this next draft….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
by CloudyFuture on Jan 9, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
My thought is...
Maybe we can go the Mark Andersen route again (in draft potential)? Only this time, we won’t eff it up and get rid of Alex Brown…
I think that both are very viable options.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Throw a big contract at Cliff Avril of the Lions.
He’s a free agent, but even though Detroit’s defense got shredded, I don’t see how they can have 2 #1 picks in Suh & Fairley plus FA signing Vanden Bosch on the d-line and still have enough money for Avril.
The Lions need help in their LB core and secondary bad. This might leave Avril to pursue other options. Cliff Avril is 25, turns 26 in April. He had 11 sacks, an INT and 6 forced fumbles this season. He had 8.5 sacks in 13 games last year. He’s the goods.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Cliff Avril is overrated
He’s a good pass rusher, but wow is he bad against the run.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
We have good linebackers and good DTs vs. the run.
I’ll take a really good pass rusher opposite Pep. That’s what the Bears need. I think Avril will move (unless he’s franchised) because I think its unlikely Detroit can put so much money on their DL while the rest of the back 7 is so bad.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 9, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
If we also keep Izzy, who will rotate in at both end spots. Izzy is good vs the run,
so any weakness in Avril’s game in that area can be minimized.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 9, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Can you sign him to a contract where that would be feasible?
I’m betting he will be asking for some serious $$$ much like what Ray Edwards did last year.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
So you would take Cliff Avril in FA over potentially Julius Peppers 2.0?
Our DEs must be good run stoppers in addition to pass rushers. Cliff Avril is 1/2 of what we need.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Who's Pep 2.0? If you mean Coples, he won't be there at 19.
He’s the top DL in the draft according to lots of people.
by Mike Mueller on Jan 9, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
And besides just because people say he reminds him them of Peppers doesn't mean he's going to be anywhere near Pep. I'm pretty sure they were harping on Bowers last year as Peppers 2.0, not to mention Robert Quinn also out of UNC.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
He's not
Look, I’m biased, because my college team is NC State. But I watched Coples. He is not dominant like Peppers was. And this is against below average college players usually. If he was nearly as good as Peppers (and if you believe any of the hype machine on the UNC-Cheat defense) he would have put up monster numbers. He did not even come close. He got shut down alot, and he was not always being double teamed like Peppers was.
He's still a damn good player, though
And if all what you said is true, then he won’t be a top 5 or really even 15 pick. A good DE he is, though, and the Bears really need another DE to develop and take advantage of the 1-on-1 matchups.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
So, have you watched him? Or are you judging him solely off draftniks and measurables? Because I have watched him, and his performance so far does not indicate that he is a good DE. The line he played on and UNC’s LB group the last two years had several other players who were physically gifted (they have great physical measurables). But they did not play like NFL players. Their defensive scheme was a pressure focused scheme, so they should have put up numbers.
I've watched him a good amount of times
I was impressed by his play. And its not so much the pass rush I’m looking for, but a combination of pass rush as well as being stout against the run. Shoot I remember I had the same complaints with Pierre-Paul, and when he got paired with Osi, his production speaks for itself. Pair Coples with Peppers, and that should be a fun duo to watch.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, just disagree
I think you’re wrong, and I really hope he does not end up on the Bears. Any decent end should be good with Peppers. I do not think Coples is an above average NFL DE. He may be average, but his play that I have seen does not look that way.
Regarding Paul, I did not see him as much, but I did see enough of him. I did not think he was overhyped. He was raw, but he was dominant at USF. He beat double teams and he dominated good players. He was raw though, and those guys can be boom or bust in the NFL.
Lets agree to disagree, then
Coples has a great amount of potential.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
UNC fan here
I hate to say this, but Coples is going to be a bust. You’re right, he’s not outright dominant like Peppers was. Also, he disappears when he goes up against quality O-lines or gets double teamed. And he has technique problems. That doesn’t translate well to the NFL. Imagine how much he’ll disappear when he plays against NFL quality O-lines.
Also, the UNC-Cheat defense name calling is unwarranted. It was only a few players that got everyone in trouble, and Butch didn’t even know about it. I know the family, and Butch was innocent, but a necessary scapegoat to start over fresh. There’s a few players at every school that demand/ get preferential treatment, and our guys were dumb enough to advertise it. A tweet from marvin austin about a party he was at in Miami started the whole thing.
Don’t make it a UNC only thing. That would be a huge mistake.
I think he would do well with the Bears who have a good D-line in place
And he will struggle if left alone.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
9 major violations
UNC had 9 major violations, at once. That is in SMU territory. UNC hired Davis and Blake, and they ran the program like they have done historically (Blake was an OU bagman, and Miami was in it deep with Davis). There is plenty of evidence that Quinn, Austin, and Little all got paid, and they only really covered the easy stuff (Just the documented trips and gifts. Nothing about the nine different cars Greg Little had parking tickets with, which come from a purported money laundering operation in Durham). There is plenty of evidence that they facilitated academic fraud (with Wiley and complicit instructors). And there is the whole matter of agents (Blake had his own current Pro-Tec business card and was on their website, and Hawkins was in their facilities all the time). Don’t be naive. They clearly cheated. Much better for you to just move on and hope they clean up.
He should fall for football reasons
The things that happened at UNC are not problems for the pros. In the pros, players get paid to play. The rules say they aren’t supposed to in college. The problems with Coples are that he hasn’t shown he can do it on the field. There will be better players for the Bears to take.
What about
dwight jones? ….
"Outside of the sacks we have one of the better Offensive Lines in the NFL....."
- Jerry Angelo on the Offensive Line
Significantly better player than Little. Better hands, and built like a horse. Dumber than a pile of bricks. Jones has not pulled the sort of bitch moves that Little did (like taunting and spitting on a CB lying on the ground after blowing out his knee, or throwing punches in a game). There’s some off the field stuff (he’s apparently in with some club owners based on the last little scandal), which for the pros is more concerning than the off field stuff with the other guys. I expect the NFL security guys to check all that. Plenty of clubs are fine, some aren’t.
I'd take him
Butch Davis had a pretty good eye for WR’s: Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Hakeem Nicks, Greg Little, Brandon Tate and Dwight Jones. Not sure what kind of speed Jones has but he’s got the size we’ve all been clamoring for the past several years.
"He took a shot in the most sensitive and painful area" - MIke Tirico
by boondock_saint812 on Jan 9, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
i didn't deny there were academic and athletic violations
i’m just saying that you phrased it as it was a UNC-specific thing, when realistically, all football schools have players that do this sort of thing.
In case you weren’t aware of Butch’s situation when he went into Miami, Butch inherited a program that had major violations, was on probation, and was down scholarships. He cleaned the program up and built it into a winning program again. The exact opposite of what you said.
The most that one player in the scandal got in benefits was maybe $2k, but i think it was more in the realm of $1.5k. And that was mostly in the forms of meals, plane tickets, etc. Not actual money. Additionally, the parking ticket thing was across 9 different players getting tons of tickets and ignoring them, not greg little. I’ve seen him riding around campus when i was doing my undergrad, he drove a pretty standard camry. Hell, Marvin Austin rode a motor scooter around campus!
The agent thing is warranted, but Blake was apparently more of a mentor for the NFL- caliber players on which agents to pick or what do do. The academic “tutoring” was warranted, but again, happens at all colleges. A lot of football players are there to play football, not the learn. Sorry, but that’s how a lot of college football works. Most teachers at colleges have an “understanding” that the football players (especially the star players) need to pass their classes.
My point is you’re making it out like they did absolutely deplorable things, when in fact, it’s pretty standard things for players in a college football program. Difference is they got caught.
You’re naive if you think these types of things don’t happen at every football school.
So you agree?
You agree that UNC broke basically all the rules (academic integrity and amateurism), and Davis was in charge? Yeah, I said UNC specifically cheated. They did, and far beyond what you are saying. You are trying to claim that “everyone does it” which is not a valid defense (I certainly hope you weren’t pre-law).
Regarding Little, it’s not the tickets that matter. It’s that he had 9 different cars to get them. Yeah, the camry was one of them. The thing with Little is that some of the cars he drove were tied back to organized crime, and that’s a big problem.
Seriously, you’re better to disassociate from those guys. They did nothing for UNC but bring shame. Heck, the joke amongst the Wolfpack fans was comparing UNC to Alabama. “If you’re comparing UNC to Alabama, then Davis shouldn’t be fired for cheating. He should be fired for losing.”
I agree
that players on the UNC football team broke rules with assistance from university employees, but I don’t agree that Butch knew what was going on. He helped clean up the Miami program when he got there, and he hired Blake in part to be an adviser to those NFL caliber players. He didn’t know about what else Blake was doing.
I’ve never heard anything about Greg Little’s 9 cars, everything i’ve heard is that a group of players were getting obscene amounts of parking tickets, and not paying them. Do you have a link/ source to the greg little stuff?
Don’t think it was far beyond what i am saying. All reports I’ve seen, it’s not that bad. It’s just they got caught. If greg little was actually involved with that, that’s on his own accord. Don’t generalize the team on one player.
You’re right, saying “everyone does it” isn’t a valid defense, and I wasn’t using that way. But it’s stupid to not realize that “everyone does it” is actually true.
Is it ok that these players did this? absolutely not. Is it ok to berate this team for getting caught when in fact everyone does stuff on this level? Also not. Some of the stuff that is above and beyond, like the fact Reggie Bush got multiple cars while at USC, is definitely not acceptable.
My point is, if you want to be competitive in collegiate football now, you have to do these things. It’s not right, but its the way it is.
It’s definitely not ok that this happens everywhere now. The idea of a “student athlete” in collegiate athletics is largely a joke now.
You are living in a fantasy land if you think it’s one guy. There were 13 total guys who were involved in the violations. That’s not one guy, that’s a team. As for:
"everyone does it" is actually true.
Bull. Not everyone does it. Compare UNC to their academic peers (the ones you should compare your degree to): NCSU, UVA, UMD, GT, BC, WF. What you’re talking about isn’t happening there. In fact, I doubt it’s happening anywhere on the scale UNC perpetrated. You’re completely off base on the Blake issue. He was employed by an agent concurrently with being a coach at UNC. That is against the rules, and he knew it. That has not happened ever before in an NCAA investigation.
As for the cars, my mistake. 5 cars, 9 license plates.
http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2011/06/17/friday-palooza-austin-travel-linked-to-wichard-through-amis-and-two-of-littles-plates-came-from-an-auto-dealer-now-in-federal-prison/
Seriously, just search UNC or UNX on statefansnation or packpride. You’ll find the released evidence and the analysis. It’s pretty damning. You can review it yourself.
by Th3T1ck on Jan 9, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't think you're following what i'm saying.
I said if the organized crime thing was on greg little, that’s on him and only him as it isn’t football nor academically related. The violations were not on one guy. that’s obvious. You’re not following what I’m saying.
And yes, everyone does it. Sorry if you want to live in fantasy land and believe your beloved wolfpack are squeaky clean, but the reality is every football team does this. it may not have been quite to the degree that UNC got caught, but these players get special privledges for their studies (i.e. get passing grades because of understandings with the teachers that they need to be academically eligible to play), and they get benefits in the form of gifts. I believed this before the UNC allegations, if you want to pull the “you only think this way now because you got caught” card.
yes, blake was concurrently employed by an agency. Butch didn’t know that Blake was employed by an agency though.
Really? The scale of UNC? Have you not been paying attention to the USC, OSU, and Miami allegations of the past year? Those are immensely worse. I know for a fact that football players at GT and UMD get free passes on classes all the time and they get “gifts”. I have two friends, who ironically, are both student football assistants to these respective teams.
and please, if you’re going to cite sources, do not use an unaccredited site such as a NCSU fan site. That is possibly the worst source you could have used to back yourself up against a rival school. No one would trust that due to the lack of professionalism and the intense rivalry bias.
This just in
Only you guys care.
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by Kev H on Jan 9, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought
You liked the traffic? Just trying to help.
That is possibly the worst source you could have used to back yourself up against a rival school.
Look, I gave you a source that aggregates links to cover everything I said. Original source materials, analysis, corroboration by other press sources. Take 30 minutes, and read.
You’re clearly delusional. You don’t get to say “oh that’s just that one (13) guy”. It’s all on UNC. You also don’t get to say “everybody does it”. Neither of those flies. UNC Cheated, blatantly and to excess. You don’t have to like it. You don’t have to like who pointed it out (you can check to confirm everything yourself if you like). None of that matters. The facts are all there. I’m done with this, and you should be done with those guys. Like I said, they did nothing for UNC, and you only smear yourself by defending them.
i think we can agree
that what UNC did was wrong, and coaches and management should have had better oversight to make sure it didn’t get to this level. any more arguing between us isn’t going to get us anywhere haha.
I agree that they really didn’t bring us anything, besides a decent record, but at what cost? Sacrificing UNC’s academic integrity (which is one of the things we’re most proud of) wasn’t worth it.
I think Fedora will be good. Hopefully the NCSU-UNC football rivalry will be a little more even than it has the past few years. see you in basketball!
I didn't say it was likely, did I?
AKA the “dream” offseason lol. But, I also know someone who is a top 15 pick, like in every draft prior, will fall out of the top 15. And I’m thinking it could be Coples.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's not really choosing 1 over the other.
FA is back to before the draft. If you can get Avril for less than a blockbuster price (unlikely, but possible) then I think he’s a great addition to the Bears. Then obviously DE is not a need in the 1st few rounds. If Avril signs elsewhere for 60 million which could happen, then the Bears will pass and DE will probably be high on their list of needs in the 1st 2 rounds.
My point is that first off we can sign a vet in FA to add depth in the OT position
And secondly, there are not too many good LTs available in the next draft that will have any chance of falling close to where the Bears pick. Plus, the player I chose from BYU would be an excellent mid round player that could push if not replace J’Marcus Webb.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
improved pass rush
improves the entire defense, and hides deficiencies at other positions. If we can only patch 2 of the 4 defensive positions, it has to be DE and something else.
Do you think that only a 3rd pick would get Marshall out of Miami?
I would think at least a 2nd. He is not a problem there and had a really good year. If you were GM in Miami, why would you trade him? I would love to have him but I cant see him coming here without giving up some high picks.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Brandon Marshall could wind up asking for a trade
And the next HC may feel Brandon Marshall would be more problems than he’s actually worth.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
That would be a dream come true.
That would also make Angelo look like a genius for the Olsen trade. lol.
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 11:17 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Brandon Marshall had 12 drops on 81 receptions
(Dwayne Bowe also had 12 drops on 81 receptions)
That’s a pretty bad drop rate. It is better than REW (7 drops on 37 receptions), but not by much. The Bears should try to avoid guys in the top 10 in drops.
No CB? No Safety? You're fired.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Brandon Carr in FA
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Tice is shaping up to be everything Martz wasn't
I liked this quote especially:
"I really admire Jay. I think he’s a tough SOB. I think he understands what he wants to be and the things that he’s been successful at in this league. I have had really good conversations over the past week with Jay, and I’ve also had some great conversations with him over the last couple years. I admire and I like Jay a lot. I know the guys like playing for Jay. We’ve just got to be able to put Jay in a position to utilize the great talents that he does have. He can run, he can throw it, and we want to make sure he’s comfortable so he can set his feet and throw it. He throws the ball very well on the move. I’ve identified all those areas with him. I believe Jay and I are on the same page moving forward and we’re going to make sure that we do the things to be able to let his talents shine and let him be that franchise quarterback that I think he is."
Sounds like Cutty will not have to tell Tice to f*** himself ala Martz. What a concept, playing to jay’s strengths…. gee, how long did it take Martz to figure that out?
missing number 6
This is why I was all for Tice getting the OC job.
He seems to really get it. Aside from that, he knows the limitations of the o-line and can plan around them.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
So far, Tice is amking me very excited for next year...
Now if we can only get a WR and a LT
by Ryan21 on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I heard that interview with CJH...Tice also commented on how they need a WR that can win one-on-one battles more times than not, and they don't currently have it. Can be a deep threat over the top.
It was kind of a breath of fresh air, without throwing anyone under the bus specifically.
"With all due respect, and I mean with ALL due respect...that idea ain't worth a velvet paintin' of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on."
by CurtisEnisFan on Jan 9, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Same, and TRUE
If we can get Cutty a true #1 WR (that will “win one-on-one battles” as Tice puts it), get some depth there…. I gotta feelin that it’s gonna be a good, good season ;)
missing number 6
Mike Tice is the one OC that can both keep continuinity as well as being a better coach than Martz
He has been the guy for the job all the long.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
If Tice likes Cutler so much
he should have had his line protect him (Cutler).
cant do much
when your OC is calling plays that expose your line
which would be calling any kind of pass play
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
i thought it was obvious
that the line was capable when martz stopped leaving guys on islands and calling 7 step drops.
You do relize that 5 and 7 step drops are pretty normal in the NFL?
but our guys were getting dropped on 3 step drops as well. The only thing that was really working was the max protection packages and misdirection. Granted having Williams and Carimi get hurt and having a guard play RT didn’t help much, but our pass protection was not good last year.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
not every play
and you only do consistent 5 or 7 drops if your line can block the whole time when the D knows what your trying to do. if your OL cant block those kind of drop backs one after another guess what? teams dont run those plays all the time.
5 and 7 step drops are very common in the NFL
but even Mad Martz used 3step drops and an occasional shotgun not the same play over and over. the average NFL team dial up a passing play 65% of the time. We only dialed up passing plays 53% of the time and still gave up more sacks QB hits and hurries than all but a couple of teams. I would think that if your Oline can’t get the job done you get a better Oline not resign yourself to trying to come up with a way to work without pass protection.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
lol lets hope so
williams and carimi back will help and perhaps my prayers for a real LT will be answered.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
They'll certainly help with run blocking
but that isn’t exactly a need right now.
The playcalling was either adapted because it put too much pressure on the line, or to cover up the failings of the line
I don’t get the impression that people are really considering both of those possibilities.
Martz is the bad guy, so doesn’t get credit for anything good that happened, and he takes the blame for everything bad that happened.
Tice is not a bad coach, but he shouldn’t get a free pass for all of the problems on the line the past two years. There were enough problems with the line to raise questions about his viability as an offensive coordinator in today’s NFL.
pass protection remains a serious problem for the Bears
but the run blocking improved considerably in 2011 over 2010.
The improvement was really Jay making better quicker decisions and doing a better job of protectiong the ball.
Having Carimi and williams back next years will improve pass protection and I am hoping that they find someone better than Webb at LT
I think we can expect a very conservative offense that will bite you if you put too many in the box. Low scoring but chewing up the clock keeping the D a lot fresher than it has the past 2 or 3 years.
Tice was the only real choice for OC considering the circumstances, This is a good opportunity for Tice to position himself as Lovies successor.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Make a move for Ryan Clady of the Broncos
That’ll solve our LT issues.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
not likely
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Unlikely
Tice likes coachable guys. I’m too lazy to go find it (ECD probably will), but I recall him saying something when he first came in about how you can’t get veterans to change their ways, and if he can’t coach, he doesn’t want them.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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So after the offense struggles in 2012
and the Bears don’t make the playoffs, Lovie will get canned, and Tice will take his place?
Sounds about right.
well the really good coaches stay put
and the rest bounce around from team to team. Tice is as good as most of those guys.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Morning All
I have the gift of Foresight…As proven by yesterday….Also F the steelers never picking their defense again…
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I think Ike Taylor will be looking for a new team pretty soon.
His play yesterday was EPIC! But in a really, really bad way.
Being a meatball not only makes me delicious, but it also makes me all warm inside.
by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to the Bears secondary
Mr. Ike Taylor
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Well...
He is still better than Tim Jennings or Zach Bowman…
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think so
He just had a very bad game. I thought he was considered one of the best CBs in the league. He was just resigned this past year.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Jan 10, 2012 12:06 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
So Bears fans, it looks like Cutler may want to team back up with both WR Brandon Marshall and LT Ryan Clady in Chicago, yet both Clady and Marshall are still on contract with their respective teams
So, if you had to choose 1, then who would it be, and what would you give up for them?
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 2:02 PM CST reply actions
Clady
1st and 3rd
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Just out of curiosity
I wonder what the highest price any team has made to trade for an O-Lineman? And I was thinking this years’ 3rd and a conditional pick where if he gets named to the Pro Bowl his first year with the Bears, then its a 1st round pick. If not, then its a 2nd round pick.
If that happens to be the trade, then ship our other 3rd round pick to Miami (like before) for Brandon Marshall. With our two 3rd round picks, we would acquire a great LT and WR. Of course, that is unrealistic, and its more fun to watch people having to make a tough choice between 2 great players.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
do we have anyone they would want other than Jay Cutler?
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
palm to forehead "pay the man"
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
They would certainly like Matt Forte, I'm sure
However, O-lineman in general do not command nearly as much as skill positioned players on offense would. I’m thinking a draft pick would work with Clady.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade him If I were them.
but then I have grown accustom to JA draft picks.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Player for player trades
are also incredibly rare. NFL GMs seem to like the shiny prospect of a draft pick, which, when you think about it, makes about as much sense as trading a known quantity for a mystery box.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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The unfortunate reality is.
I don’t get it either… Maybe it’s the quality of draft prospects is higher + financial considerations = ???
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Jan 10, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see either team
motivated to trade those guys. Marshall had a nice season, pretty much stayed out of trouble, and had good chemistry with Matt Moore. Clady is a young and good LT—teams pretty much never trade guys like him.
The fact that we have an extra pick doens’t mean other teams will line up to give us great players for it. If the Bears had a young, Pro-Bowl caliber LT, would you be willing to trade him away for a 3rd rounder and a conditional pick? I reaaaally doubt it.
Ryan Clady only has 1 more year on his contract
And the Broncos may not be able to afford him.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's not like they are a cheap
organization, or a team filled with high-ticket players. They can afford him. Teams don’t trade franchise-caliber LTs, and they certainly don’t do it for a third round pick.
Except in the strange case of the Denver Broncos
Ryan Clady is no longer a “LT” since Tebow is left-handed. And it’s not like the Broncos are cheap, but they need to retain other players while looking for a RT and a dominant WR. Also need to beef up their front 7.
So like I’ve said, they may not be able to afford Clady. And wasn’t he injured this year? Normally O-Lineman don’t command a lot in the trade market, anyway.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
Dude
they are not getting a franchise left tackle for a 3rd round pick. IF Tebow is kept, and they wanted to protect his blind side they could move him to right tackle. If they decided to just let him walk (which they wouldn’t) they’d get a 3rd round compensatory pick, so a 3rd rounder wouldn’t even open the discussions.
But that’s all moot, because they wouldn’t trade him. Because he is the kind of guy you build around, not trade for 3rd round picks because he’s expensive or because your QB is left-handed.
I would think that if the Broncos roll with Tebow, they'd actually try and upgrade at RT cuz wouldn't that technically be his blindside.
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
That too
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Clady ..... Thats a no brainer my man .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jan 9, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Why in Gods green earth
Would Denver trade their good, young starting LT?
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
by propheteer on Jan 10, 2012 12:07 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not to pile on to the Lions miserable weekend but...
The worst-run cities in the US:
1. Miami, Fla.
2. Detroit, Mich. (Ouch)
•Violent crime per 1,000 people: 18.87 (the highest)
•Poverty rate: 37.6% (the highest)
•Adult population graduated from high school: 77.4% (18th-lowest)
•Credit rating: Ba3 (on review)
•Population: 711,910
Despite being more notorious for its troubles than any other major U.S. city, Detroit managed to avoid the title of worst-run city in the country. The city has been in a tough spot for decades, but continued problems with corruption and poor management have not helped matters. Detroit already sports the worst credit rating awarded by Moody’s and is the only one of the 100 largest cities in the U.S. to have a rating below investment grade. Worse still, the agency is reviewing the Ba3 rating, which already had a negative outlook, after the state of Michigan announced that it’s evaluating whether the city’s troubles constitute an economic crisis. Of the 100 largest cities, Detroit has the highest home vacancy rate, the highest unemployment rate, the highest poverty rate, the worst violent crime rate and the lowest median household income.
http://money.msn.com/investing/latest.aspx?post=377cf5e0-1491-4f35-94cc-3a4668afda83
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
Great...
I’ll be attending college in the worst ran city in the nation lol
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully they teach you grammar...
in the worst run city…you kids and your texting has made you such bad spellers! Cue crabby old man responses in 3, 2, 1…
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
crabby you will be, when as old as I you are, young padawan.
It must have been great to live back in Shakespeare’s time, when you could spell anything anyway you wanted to.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Hey...I'm not that bad of a speller...
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
your better than me or Will Shakespeare
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I think you meant to say "you're" not "your"
by frenchbears113 on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
French'd
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Jan 9, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
thank you so much...grammar nazi
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
he was a couple of years ahead of me.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
and their Mayor is in prison
just hip hopin his time away…
by ChicagoBearOfAnaheim on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Sorta sick of the Sun Times whole play on Tice's name in their articles.
“The Tice that Binds”
What would possibly inTice them to do such lame stuff.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
I blame lunchtime Sudoku
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
Your an "Angry Elf" this weekend..
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
I lost respect for the Sun-Times back in 1988...
….when they ran a headline, about the Democratic National Convention, I believe:
“Jesse Picks Dem Nominee”
At least the Tice stuff isn’t borderline racist.
by Sweetness Lives On on Jan 9, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
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