What will the Bears' offense look like in '12?
This week has brought some closure to the coaching staff searches but also raised a lot of questions; why Jeremy Bates after he was at first eliminated before the search began? And why didn't he get the passing game coordinator title? Then even more questions were raised, like can Mike Tice even call passing plays? Does Tice even know what a pass looks like? Is he qualified for the position he has?
Well I am here to look at some of these questions and see if I can draw some conclusions about what the offense will look like and how, in fact, the Bears' offensive staff will develop and call plays.
First off, I like the idea of Mike Tice being the guy. I think NFL staffs have gotten too bogged down in ridiculous job titles that sometimes are really just an excuse for a pay raise so a team doesn't lose a valuable staffer. Does a team need two assistant head coaches, a running-game coordinator, a passing-game coordinator and a designated Gatorade sprayer guy? Probably not.For example, the Arizona Cardinals list a running-game coordinator/offensive line/assistant head coach and a passing-game coordinator and no offensive coordinator. I assume this means head coach Ken Whisenhunt calls plays but one of the other two could too. What difference does it make?
Then there are the Green Bay Packers, who for the last few seasons have had an offensive coordinator in Joe Philbin who didn't even call plays, that duty lies with head coach Mike McCarthey.
So let's not get too bogged down in the details, the Bears are just stream-lining the whole thing, Mike Tice calls plays and is the head honcho of the offense. Jeremy Bates coaches the quarterbacks and no doubt will have some input on the passing game.
Football is a team sport, right down to the coaching staff. They all have to work together to get the best results out of the players on the field. Tice has had to work with the notoriously stubborn Mike Martz the last two years and the well-documented "sit-downs," "interventions," or whatever else you want to call them, that attempted to reign in Martz no doubt taught Tice a valuable lessons, such as, oh hey I better actually listen to my assistants.
Tice doesn't strike me as a dude who is going to suddenly go rogue, let the "coordinator" title go to his head and suddenly parade around and do as he pleases with no input from assistants. He's learned the hard way the last two years, he seems to have a very good idea of what kind of talent he has and what he needs to do to get the most from the group.
With that being said, what will the Bears offense look like? Most people think they will go back to the run-first "get off the bus" mentality that Lovie Smith goes on about. Or will they?
I was looking at Pro-football-reference.com and checking out the offenses of the Minnesota Vikings when Mike Tice was head coach (and not the offensive coordinator I should stress). Since he wasn't the play-caller it's hard to say what he would've done differently but it should be noted that if he didn't like what his offenses did he clearly would have had the power to change it.
Anyway, in his four seasons as coach the Vikings ranked, in order, eighth, sixth, sixth and 19th in points and second, first, fourth and 25th in yards offensively. In those years their pass/run ratio broke down as follows; 558 pass attempts to 473 rush attempts, 520/493, 552/387 and 510/381. So that is roughly one and a half times as many passes as runs. So before we get this notion that Tice is going to run a Denver Broncos-Tebow type offense, I don't buy it. It should be much more balanced than we've seen the last couple years and much more balanced than his Vikings offenses were, to be sure. Matt Forte is a much better running back than any of the leading rushers Tice had in Minney; Michael Bennett, Moe Williams, Onterrio "Whizzinator" Smith and Mewelde Moore.
In fact, Forte is probably better than all of those guys combined. Tice also had Culpepper and Randy Moss on the passing-game side. The Bears don't have anything close to a Randy Moss-type receiver.
When Bates was with Cutler in Denver, the Broncos had a 60/40-ish pass run split. I don't think we'll see that either, but an offense that has a good mix of each, and, depending on what additions are made at receiver this offseason, it could favor the pass just a bit more. Balance and keeping the defenses guessing, that is going to be the Bears' identity, I believe.
It should be fun to watch and I hold no reservations about Mike Tice being in charge of a passing game. Some of the media is acting like he's never been involved in a game with forward passes. That's ridiculous. The Bears are going to be fine with Tice and Bates leading the offense.
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A voice of reason
People get too caught up in job titles. The reason some of those crazy titles exist is to snatch other teams coaches away by giving them “promotions” which is nothing more than a new and improved job title with a raise lol
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by EmmCeee on Feb 10, 2012 3:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
let's pray that Tice doesn't channel Ron Turner during the course of the season..
"Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen."
Who is Ron Turner???
Never heard of em’…
by The Old Mack From Way Back on Feb 10, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Here is something I like about this hire with Tice and Bates
Mike Tice knows he doesn’t have a good OL, so while designing plays with Bates, he’ll know what’s best in terms of matching plays with protection schemes. Bates has seen first hand what Cutler does best, and what he needs to improve on. Together, they will design plays that highlight the strengths of this team and mask some of the weaknesses such as a bad OL.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 10, 2012 4:32 PM CST reply actions
Hoping that’s the case. We have a top10 defense pair it with a efficient offense and we have a good chance to contend
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by chitown-tony on Feb 10, 2012 4:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
and you have to think that Bates and Tice both know that Cutler is good on the move, the one thing that Martz never got in his playbook was very many moving pockets, etc. I think Tice and Bates will take advantage of a so-so line that is athletic and get more roll-outs, moving pockets, bootlegs, screens (about the only thing Martz had lots of) and make the weak pass-blocking line somewhat of a strength with more play action and stuff.
...because Cutty does it.
by Sam Householder on Feb 10, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I have some hope for the offense...
they will have a real offseason to work on things and they are likely to upgrade some talent at WR and possibly O-line. The defense is still a bit suspect to me. My hope is the Bears get 2 WRs, a G and a LT on offense and spend most of their efforts getting younger talent on the defense. The defense has some core talent, but will need to make more improvement than the offense if the Bears are to be legit contenders for the SB.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Does Tice have the secret playbook for bad offensive lines?
I bet he wishes he could fire the guy responsible for that bad offensive line.
Tice is someone we know who can play to his teams strengths, based on the fact that he started players on his offensive lines where they played worse than their normal positions.
Tice’s offense is going to work a lot like Martz’s offense, so Cutler doesn’t have to learn a new system, except it’s going to add audibles, and rollouts, and more runs, and may have an entirely new playbook.
I would think Tice will run a WCO/Coryell hybrid
which is not unheard of, and the moving pockets, roll outs,play action, audibles and hurry up offense can be added to last years playbook along with dropping all the Martz stuff no one likes and yes it will be a new but familar playbook for Cutler since he will have ran all the plays before.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I know of a former Vikings coach who ran an O like that
but it was OC/later Ravens HC Brian Billick.
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Exactly. Our line will be good if everyone is healthy and we get Webb onto the bench.
Tice’s history as HC in Minny is irrelevant. He knows the line, knows what they and Cutler are capable of. We’ll have audibles. We’ll have roll-outs. We’ll have the TEs involved. It’s all good.
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. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
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There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
by LostInSTL on Feb 10, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't get it. Is Lovie saying "Oscar Meyer is my hotdog"
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
I think a rolling pocket
will benefit our O-line as well. They seem to do better when moving, instead of standing still and letting Jared Allen and Clay Matthews just run right by them.
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had the rolling pocket in his playbook, and as I recall Cutler was a turn over machine rolling out in that offense.
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
But Cutler was under the misconception that he had actual NFL receivers
instead of converted DB/return specialists and other miscreants.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
That was nothing to do with roll-outs. Cutler has a 100+ rating when rolling-out.
He was playing with bad receivers like Knox and Hester who didn’t know their playbooks.
lol it was the same playbook from before Cutler arrived how could they not know it
. "Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental."
--Doug Plank
The passing game coordinator is supposed to be the OC here in Arizona right now
As for what I think the offense will look like…
I’m expecting to see a lot of balance, some of the stuff from the Martz offense will be kept from when everything was clicking to help ease the transition to the new offense. Some of the stuff from Cutler’s time with the Broncos and what Tice ran with the Vikings will probably get mixed in too.
And out of all that stuff they will find a way to build it around what fits the team the best instead of Martz getting his playbook and not giving a **** if he didn’t have the people to run it because he would do it anyway.
Hopefully a lot of the terminology will be kept the same too as a way of making everything easier.
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Terrell Owens should join the Bears
I know he is a team cancer but he might be a good number 2 WR for Cutler.
No no no no no
If we’re going the aged WR route, I’d take Wayne, but prefer other 2nd tier guys like Manningham or Meachem before Owens.
by TJ Shouse on Feb 10, 2012 9:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Here's my concern, and it may or may not be unfounded:
If our o-line can’t block guys when they know where the quarterback is (behind them), is it really reasonable to think that they’ll be better when they are moving? That requires them to be more athletic, having to block while moving to their sides and whatnot. Sure, they were decent in run blocking, but that is a different skill set than moving and blocking for a pass play. Running plays generally are shorter in duration than passing plays. Naked roll-outs could be disasterous and more hazardous to Cutty’s health than staying in the pocket.
"HOW'S IT HANGIN, SLAPNUTS!"
the o-line will automatically be better
If Tice chips more, leaves an extra blocker in on occasion, and nixes so many 7 step drops
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 11, 2012 11:42 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Again, Cutler is 100+ rated when rolling out.
And that was with bad receivers. We have Lance Louis now, who is an excellent mauler at the second level. Carimi will be back and hopefully we get Webb off the line as he’s a liability in pass blocking. Their blocking becomes less important when Cutler is buying time with his feet where he’s safer. HAve you seen Webb pass protect? Cutty standing in there with a useless LT protecting his blindside is far more dangerous.
I've seen Webb on the field.
Pass protecting? Not sure his ‘work’ qualifies as pass protection.
I think Cutler will be happier being able to move a bit and not be 6.5 steps into his drop before the rushers are on top of him. I just have visions of DE’s basically running free while Cutler is rolling out because our guys can’t block in space. Louis is pretty good at that, as is Carimi (just based off of his work at Wisconsin), so maybe its a moot point. As long as Webb is the LT, please no roll outs to that side, though!
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