Poll of the Day: What position do you want the Bears to draft?
by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 PM CST
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PrintLast year the Chicago Bears were fortunate to have Wisconsin's Gabe Carimi fall to them in the draft. Offensive tackle was a need position and Carimi was a top prospect on the board. It worked out for them that a player so high on their draft board just happened to fill a need. This season the Bears again have a few clear cut need positions, but with an actual off season in place they could elect to fill some holes with veterans. Today we want to know; What position do you want the Bears to draft?
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WR.
Because of all the positions, i don’t think the Bears can squeeze more out of the current squad than we already have.
And i’m starting to think Darryl Drake isn’t a top WRs coach.
When Todd Haley was WR coach with the Bears was the last time we had a 1000 yd receiver. Since then he went on to train Boldin, Fitzgerald, Breaston and Bowe.
Same goes for Tom Coughlin, who i’m sure is the one responsible for the WRs factory that the NY Giants have become. Toomer, Burress, Smith, Manningham, Cruz, Hicks, Hixon and the list goes on.
You can also cite the Steelers. But i’m not sure who’s been responsible for the WRs in the past decade….But Ward, Wallace, Brown, Holmes…everyone’s been productive over there.
Monsters of the Midway Incoming
I actually think size (both height and mass) are the biggest problems at WR. All of our guys look like slot receivers to me (smaller, emphasis on quickness). I’m pretty sure all of those guys you mention are over 6’, and none of our Bears are (Hester, Knox, Bennett). Certainly, none of the Bears WR have the frame to exert leverage on a defender. I still prefer a proven (FA) WR to a draft pick.
I’m not convinced on Drake either. Hester and Knox have had hands/drops and position issues. I think those things should be coachable.
As for the draft, best available.
i think the biggest problem
is route running and catching ability
Getting open.
That’s why Aromashodu stood out his first starts.
He got open a LOT more than the other receivers. But he had bad hands or ran weird routes. Both of those got him in the dog house with Martz who prizes that over than the traditional West Coast WR that Getting Open > Running the most crisp route.
Every other Bears receivers are making contested catches 90, 100% of the time. No wonder Cutler had 26 picks in 2009. {
Every time i see a Steelers or GB game and i see these receivers making catches without a defender within 10 yards of them it makes me furious.
And that’s why i think the bears could go right with either Floyd, Wright.
Floyd runs routes as good as Kendall but he gets MORE open due to his frame and he can beat blockers in the LOS.
Monsters of the Midway Incoming
Aromashodu has seen 8 NFL rosters so it's not just Martz who took exception to his play.
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im so confused
i didnt know getting open was different than route running
You may want to check the average size of the Steelers WR
Other than TEs, IIRC, none are over 6’ 0". I won’t disagree about some of the other teams though (I don’t know much about them).
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 15, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to WCG where all that matters is size
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 16, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
Indeed
Who doesn’t want a couple extra inches? ;)
That said, Ward & Wallace are 6’, Holmes 5’11" (who I have never liked), and Brown 5’10". I was more thinking of the Giants, who are mostly bigger men. All are 6’+, excluding Steve Smith who was a 3rd receiver and a slot guy. 1/2 of them are 6’2"+ and 220lbs+.
That said, Ward never gets bullied by defenders, and neither do the Giants WR. Knox gets jammed alot. Hester is a bull for his size, but he does get slowed down significantly. This mitigates their quickness, which is substantial and critical for their game. I think a larger receiver is important for the split end. If the defense can jam and shutdown the X position, it can contain the flanker & slot much more easily. It seems to me this has been happening to the Bears for years.
Like i Said
It’s not about size at all. Aromashodu was 6’2. Not a whole lot bigger than Earl Bennett.
But he got open more often than any other bears receiver when he was on the field.
Same goes for guys like Welker, Steve Smith (CAR), Santonio Holmes, Greg Jennings and so on…
Bears guys have good hands. But they always have a corner, nickel or safety on their Hips because they cannot get any separation if they aren’t given a free release at the LOS.
Monsters of the Midway Incoming
Linebacker
We have not upgraded the LB position in , like , forever. I don’t know why everyone is forgetting that. The D-line does need a bookend , high impact DE to compliment Pep. But how bout a high impact LB to prep for after BB (Brian and Briggs )
As for the WR . . Angelo was a resale shop GM. Talent level sucked under him. Darryl sure didn’t have much to work with. I too miss Todd but . . . he’s not here. ;-(
i dont think people are forgetting about it
i have seen it mentioned a bunch of times. i wouldnt mind zach brown in the first. we have two (old) guys performing at a very high level. wr and de are lacking bodies to even go on the feild
I'd like a LB or DE too.
But it would have to be someone like Mercilus or Kuechly for me to spend a pick on them if Floyd or Kendall Wright is still on the Board.
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WR
I def. think there are some talented WR’s to take in the first round. If they are taken then i would say a cornerback. I would look into cornerback and defensive end through free agency. I hope im wrong and we somehow land Dwayne Bowe. Then attack the draft for cornerback, d-end, guard, and maybe get younger at the linebacker position.
WR
Having greater talent at WR will take some of the pressure off the O-line too, and I’m thinking we can find good value OL picks in the 2nd and 3rd round if need be.
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OL
I am amazed at how many people in this community believe we can get by with what we have. We have the second worst center in football, the 68th ranked tackle in Webb, and not a single positive ranked guard guard in the bunch. Our apparent depth at the position is really just the uniformity of bad. Outside of Carimi, none of our starters from last year deserve to be penciled in as a started at this point of the off season.
Our aging defense gives us a small window to compete and makes drafting a WR, which is generally a long term investment, a poor choice. Additionally, this is a deep G and WR FA market. I have heard some voices clamoring for a LB, but while we need depth, we aren’t going to replace Briggs or Urlacher this year, and it makes little sense to use our 1st round draft pick on what is, at best, a 2 down player.
This leaves LT as the position most needing replacement. Webb has been, at best, inconsistent, but will make a nice swing tackle back up, and this draft class has decent tackle depth.
In what world is a mid-1st WR a long term investment
and a mid-1st LT an immediate upgrade? In recent years, it’s been the exact opposite.
its an IMMEDIATE improvement
because the only guys we have are bennett and hester.
I agree and yet I choose DE the reason I chose DE was our corner backs suck also we have no height. Tillman was on the field far to much he is starting to show some age also. Coastal Carolina name Josh Norman would fit the Bear’s system like a glove another Tillman only on the left side with better hands late third round pick.
Last line of defense forces me to select DE and what are really the options at DE or even a OLB that can play the strong side and cover the TE now I am listening.
I agree with you.
Receivers get a whole lot better when the line holds up long enough for them to get open. Anyone who thinks our O-line is good enough is dreaming. We need a Left Tackle.
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uhh the position where the guy catches the ball and stuff
by beartopia on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Big flying scary brown thing.
According R. Williams.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would love Vinny Curry in the 2nd but he should be gone early 2nd or even late 1st
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Could always trade down if a team targets someone who falls to 19.
Using the old Trade Value Chart… and say NE who has two 1sts and two 2nds…
Bears 19th – 875 points
for
New England 31st – 600 points
New England 63rd – 276 points
That’s almost dead even. Then Bears could possibly be looking at:
1(31) – WR Sanu/DE Mercilus
2(50) – OT Z.Sanders/TE Charles/WR Criner/DE C.Johnson
2(63) – OG Osemele/CB T.Johnson/CB Boykin/WR Toon
3(74)
3(81)
Five picks in the first 81 picks? Not going to happen… but fun to think about.
Draft point values are vastly changed this year.
With the Rookie Wage Scale, I wouldn’t be surprised if the scale becomes more and more tilted towards the 1st round, dropping off even more severely than they did before.
I heard a similar thing...
I wonder if someone will redo the old chart?
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. But it was just an example.
I imagine 1st round picks will increase in value. Ultimately it’s whatever someone is willing to pay… charts be damned.
I like the idea of drafting a DE
but i have to agree with you. I cant find one that I really like.
Melvin Ingram?
Killed at the Senior Bowl. He may not fall to 19, but then few people thought that Carimi would fall to the Bears. If he does fall, then the question is if he’s a better pick than Adams, Floyd, or Wright at that point.
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by TheAwesomeMachine on Feb 15, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Mercilus looks real good too. But i'd like to see him play more before i pass final judgment.
Monsters of the Midway Incoming
And that's a luxury we won't get.
He only had one season of pretty good.
Then again, so did JPP. It’s one of those risk rewards that might be worthwhile.
I’m not a huge fan of high risk products, this guy is, absolutely. But, that might be an OK thing. I’m okay with a bust in the first round for a position that may be good. I think that there’s a distinct possibility that this may be the case. I may not like it, but it may be the case.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I can't give a blanket answer.
Depends on who we bring in during FA and who falls in the draft.
Assuming we make no major acquisitions in FA and being realistic in who could drop… I’d say WR, then OT, then DE, then CB, then TE as the top 5. Then again if someone like OG DeCastro or LB Kuechly somehow fall… maybe I change that.
Ideally we get a premier WR FA… then I hope someone like OT Mike Adams falls to us. Getting him and Carimi for hopefully a full season is essentially like getting two 1st-round OT talents this year.
This, wait till after free agency.
If the Bears signed Mario Williams and Dwayne Bowe then I’d want a CB. If they signed Carr and Vincent Jackson I’d want a DE.
I’d rather get a veteran DE and WR than CB though.
True. But who do you think would be a impact DE at 19?
More likely a Floyd will be there or a falling O prospect. Or even a Kirkpatrick.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
If Kirkpatrick is there at #19...
Bears should draft him regardless if Floyd is still there. He would be one of those guys who would make a great impact their first year.
the more I look at this draft, I think a trade back may make sense
Of course that could all change once the combine and the pro days start up
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 16, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Kicker.
Goulds getting old….
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
think we should go kicker in rd 1 and 2
kicker is the most important player ever
Nah. K 1st and P 2nd!
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I know you're joking but ouch man, ouch...
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by Ditkavsworld on Feb 15, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
You beat me to it...
so I went a different route. Jerk!
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by David Taylor on Feb 15, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I picked OL
The offensive line actually looked pretty good before Carimi went down last season, but I think we need to grab one more top notch offensive linemen in the 1st round of this draft, and get a receiver in the 2nd. We can’t overlook how much Cutler gets sacked. There is a Arron Rodgers or Tom Brady type player in Cutler that can’t be seen fully because of the offensive line. When he does get time, he looks every bit as a good as the best QB’s in the NFL.
Any position is fine, except for QB, Safety or fetal.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions
I want to get me one of them true #1 WRs!
You know, those 7’2" go-up-and-get-it, aint-afraid-of-no-hit, smack-you-in-the-mouth types.
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Shaq is available in FA.
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by Suffering from Chicago Sports on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
He'd be all like...
Hey Aaron Rodgers, tell me how my @$$ tastes?
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by David Taylor on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Discount Double Clutch on the free throws.
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by NobodySpecial on Feb 15, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Wide Reciever should be the tie-breaker
But ultimately IMO, the “best player available from the following positions” (WR, LT, DE and LB). In addition to all of those positions, I think we need to also draft a CB at some point in the early-to-middle rounds, if possible. Although I think Jennings is serviceable and Tillman probably has at least a year or two left in his tank. We’ll see if Webb is able to improve his pass-blocking, but ultimately I think we’re going to have to find a LT who can seal off the edge on Jay’s blind side. Izzy played more like a rotational backup last year, so I would say DE is our biggest need on defense.
This team has too many diverse needs due to several years of mediocre drafting and lamb FA aquisitions (see REW, Sam Hurd and Merriweather last year).
agreed
When we get too fixated on filling the position of need, that is when we end up with Rex Grossmans and Dan Bauzins… take the best CB, DE, or OL available and fill in what we need from there.
by Steve Ronkowski on Feb 15, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
face it ... we need everything so draft the best players available when it is our turn
and hope we can sign some help from F/A
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Well said.
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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 15, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
You need Ol help in first rd u cant throw the ball if ur QBs getting sacked in 2 seconds
Then a wr in second..But ithink we should sign 2 wrs from free agent market..they will be there get them
that only happens when you don't know how to game plan around your talent rather than force your talent to attempt to play NFL football
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--Doug Plank
I voted D end based on that fact JA isn't around
but a tradition is a tradition dammit.
Mr. T pities the fool who wonders "how much jib could a jibba jabber jabba if a jibba jabber could jibba jabbas."
The Lions fan in me wants to say Punter
The part that likes the Bears say BPA, damn the position.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
The Lions fan part in you deserves Millen as your President for decade.
You like to suffer. Admit it.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I AM posting here, am I not?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Feb 16, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions
BPA, but someone in the trenches.
Reiff, Martin, DeCastro, Ingram, Upshaw, Branch, pick one.
"Brian Urlacher, coasting down the right sideline. A Sunday stroll into the endzone."
I'm probably on the BPA bandwagon...
but with a slant towards OL. BAsically, give the OL player one additional point on whatever scoring measure you’re using, so that they come out ahead of all the other positions.
I’m still of the opinion that the game of football is won and lost in the trenches. And the Bears offensive trenches suck balls. Especially LT. There are far more good WRs in the FA pile than there are OL. It’d be better on our end to go with OL over WR if we can pick up one of the good FA WRs. Heck, I’d even take Mario as our “Legit #1” at this point…
i dont think the packers and giants ol were anything amazing
their wrs were pretttay prettay good
Like I said, opinion...
As in, that’s the way I would build my teams. Not the way teams are built.
WR DE OT CB In the first. I could make a case for any one of the positions and would not be happy because I would always wonder if it was the best selection I could of made. I don’t like WR unless it’s a can’t miss the same for Left Tackles. Im’ just happy it’s not a QB
no such thing as cant miss
every year there are guys who cant miss. until they miss
any position besides QB
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So you're on board the
time to draft Robbie Gould’s replacement bandwagon?
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
Robbie Gould has a band!?
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Swing band with a good brass section.
I hear they tour in wagons.
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by TheotherDane on Feb 15, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yup it's his time
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Excellent
We could probably look at safety next. That position seems to have been neglected in the past.
Above all; keep 'em guessing, never let them lose their sense of confusion.
We should look at Nickelback!
Or how bout 4th string clipboard holder?
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by crackedcactus on Feb 16, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
He's just taken too many concussions. As a fan of the man, I'd like him to worry about his life after football.
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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 15, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
OL
Get WR from FA, a guy who has PROVEN he is a big time receiver. There are several that are going to be available and we have the money to spend on them.
I am not saying we don’t need a WR desperately, we do… we need one desperately enough that we can’t afford to take a chance on an unknown rookie that may, or may not, work out. We need a WR that stone cold can come in and be one of our starters from day one… FA is the best way to do that.
Yes....but we also NEED a #2 as well.
We have plenty of slot and 4th set guys.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
we have one wr
im not counting hester or sazenbachAA.
BPA
Probably not an o-lineman (we need tackles, and the good ones are usually gone early in the first round – you can get guards later), probably not WRs (huge bust potential, plus easier to get one in FA). I think a DE or CB is a possibility. End of the day, I want the BPA, no matter the position. We could use help in a couple different areas. We don’t need a RB or QB. Everything else seems reasonable.
No real amazing DE or DT prospects.
No Carimi level prospects that might drop. At least we won’t have JA surfing youtube looking for players that can do cool physical parlor tricks…..
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
You are just jealous...
you know you cannot deny your inner pool jumper…
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
The JA in me says no
But my sanity says STFU and go back into your corner.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Just curious...
For people who wants the Bears to draft OL… Do you guys mean a LT specifically? or it can be G or C Also… at #19, which OL would you draft?
Just asking cuz I don’t see a legit LT (who can start from day one at LT) for the Bears at #19 unless Bears trade up for one or Martin/Reiff somehow falls to them. Adams could be that LT, but I don’t want the Bears to draft him (suspended a couple times, inconsistent, don’t think he can step in right away at LT, etc) although he has a great potential to be a very good LT.
I think it's a mix of things...
such as we don’t think Webb will be able to produce at LT, and Carimi is most likely a great RT road grader.
When we play Det twice a year and they have Suh, Fairley, Williams, Avril, and questionably VDB….we NEED GOOD O-Linemen who also have a mean streak.
Especially if they have Suh stunt to the outside and take on our LT. Do you see Webb getting mean and nasty to Suh? No?
Then we need a physical LT who has no compunctions about pile driving Suh into the turf…..and possibly biting his leg in a scrum.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Just don't untie his shoes....
Then we need a physical LT who has no compunctions about pile driving Suh into the turf…..and possibly biting his leg in a scrum.
by David in Maine on Feb 15, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
But a good shot to the groin is perfectly acceptable
This is Suh we’re talking about afterall.
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by TheotherDane on Feb 15, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Let's hope he forgets his cup that day...
still…..I’d take a biter.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you...
Then we need a physical LT who has no compunctions about pile driving Suh into the turf
But what I’m getting at is… who’s that LT that Bears going to draft at #19? or sign through FA?
Now if you say just draft any OL at #19, like DeCastro or Cordy Glenn for example, then I could get behind that although I would try to trade down and get one of those guys plus an extra pick.
Nasty and mean makes up for a lot in my opinion.
How much are you ready to gamble that someone won’t try and trade up for them? Specially since it seems line play deteriorated in 2012.
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
The trade down part..
That was more for Glenn than DeCastro and I only meant like 4-5 spots and get their 3rd rounder or possibly their 2nd if they’re that desperate. DeCastro I would pick at 19. Heck I wouldn’t be shocked if DeCastro is picked before the Bears.
Right now… I’m hoping that one of these guys will be there at # 19: DeCastro/Floyd/Kirkpatrick…
Its amazing to me, in this day and age, so many people can be led around by their nose by the media. We have had a steady diet of stories about how we need a wide reciever. Now we have a poll and everypne votes WR give me a break. We need a lot of things but if we take a WR just to take one and skip on a great talent we are idiots. Thats no different than drafting someone with an injury and saying he has good upside. We have been watching that for years. How did that work for everyone?
WHO is going to be our pass catcher in traffic?
Bennent isn’t physical enough. All we have is speed guys (Hester, Knox). So why should teams respect our run IF Cutler DOESN’T have a target?
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by crackedcactus on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
a steady diet of stories...
no one is saying to take any old wr while leaving some awesome talent on the board. is anyone saying that? please point that out. the question ppl were asked was pretty simple. with everything being the equal in regards to talent i want a wr. if there is some other stud who is way better than draft him
on another note who are the WRs on our roster?
bennet hester and sazenbacher. hows that story taste
I tend to be with most here...
in that ANY position is a position of need on this Bears team with the exception of QB and RB (assuming Forte is kept). IMO, the WR position probably needs more total players added/upgraded to be an effective group. So in both quality and quantity WR is the most lacking and should probably be the one position where either the best WR available should be taken or a damn solid case for getting another position filled would have to be made; I would assume some top 10 talent simply slipped through the first 18 picks. I still would like to see both a FA WR and a high round pick WR to be added, but there Bears need their first 4 picks to be starters on day one or working into a starting role by mid-season. Short of some phenomenal drafting, I think the Bears are going to be playoff eligible, but little more.
There's a fine line between stupid...and clever!
Sooo..
WR and DE can be taken care of in free agency. A LT is needed, but I feel that Webb can be improved..at least to a point(hopefully) If anything I would not say no to a star CB to play second and eventually be heir apparent to Tillman. Supposing they fill those free agency needs..I think this would be awesome as far as finishing up the team for the coming season.
BPA
It obviously depends on what happens in free-agency, but following trends or reaching in the draft usually doesn’t work. If Barron falls to the Bears, do they bite? What if one of the top tackles is there at 19?
I really like Floyd and Wright for them, but with a deep FA class I can see them signing a veteran.
Tackle, CB or DE is the position I see them drafting in the first.
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CB
The NFL is has become a passing league. The Bears should draft a #1 corner to work along side “Peanut” Tillman. You can still get a solid OL (another glaring need) in round #2 and a very good WR via free agency.
If Kirkpatrick drops i think the bear should go for him
He could be Peanut 2.0.
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Flip side
So if its become a passing league, shouldn’t the Bears get a legitimate pass catcher?
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Actually I think we are in a great position
to get the best Player available at that spot. OT, OG, C, CB, DE, WR. I would grab the safest guy at the spot and the most value. I have no problem going up and getting a guy that would be a great fit.
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
BPA between WR, CB & DE
Definitely not OL. In fact OL should not come before the 4th round unless we get a steal in the third with our second pick.
Did some research and will show you wh we don’t need anotherr first rounder (already have 2) on the OL.
This years probowl (thanks to Dan Kadar from MTD) had 15 players chosen – 4 centers, 5 guards (why 3 to AFC and 2 to NFC?), and 6 tackles. There were 8 first rounders, 1 2nd rounder, 1 3rd rounder, 1 4th rounder, 1 5th rounder, 1 7th rounder and 2 UDFA
So never pick an OL in the 6th round, but more importantly, the giants had no probowlers on their OL, while the Patriots had 2, one a 1st rounder and the other an UDFA (Waters).
All in all, the NFL Champions did not have any first rounders on their OL, 3 second rounders, 1 third rounder, 2 fourth rounders, 2 fifth rounders and 1 sixth rounder.
The Patriots have 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, a 5th, a 6th and “4” UDFAs
- RT -
67 K. McKenzie 3rd round
78 S. Andrews fourth round
- RG -
76 C. Snee second round
62 M. Petrus fifth-round
- C -
64 D. Baas second round
- LG -
66 D. Diehl fifth round
77 K. Boothe sixth round
- LT -
65 W. Beatty second round
79 J. Brewer fourth-round
- RT -
76 S. Vollmer 2nd round
61 M. Cannon fifth round
- RG -
54 B. Waters UDFA
64 D. Thomas sixth-round
- C -
63 D. Connolly UDFA
65 N. McDonald UDFA
- LG -
70 L. Mankins 1st round
62. R. Wendell UDFA
- LT -
72 M. Light 2nd round
77 N. Solder first round
Looking to see more of Levi Horn
Wait. I see some major flaws in this logic.
Just because you can find talent outside the 1st round at a position, doesn’t mean you should ignore that position in the first round (plus 7 of those guys were in the 1st two rounds). By that logic only 50% of SB contenders this year drafted a QB early so no one should draft Luck in the 1st. Past performance is not an indicator of future success and everyone’s situation is different. OL is a huge problem area for the Bears so if a talent that can step right in and improve our OL is available you have to give it major consideration.
You can find talent at every position outside the 1st round. Look at the WRs on NE/NYG as another example. Victor Cruz? Wes Welker? You draft the best player available that fits your team and your needs without “reaching”. And if an elite talent that’s heads and tails above the rest falls you grab that guy regardless of need.
by IOftenPanic on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
not "major" and not "flaws"
Just pointing out that there’s a limit how many 1st or 2nd round picks to invest in a position as well as how frequently. CWill was a 1st rounder in 2008 and Carimi in 2011. With Garza and Spencer, as well as developing players like Webb, Louis, Henry and Horn, maximum we need one player from FA and to draft in one of the lower rounds.
Looking to see more of Levi Horn
by BearDownIsrael on Feb 18, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what i would like ....
is resign Forte, get Avril and Bowe (or similar) then draft WR in 1st, CB in 2nd, DE or LB in 3rd with 1st pick, then BPA the rest of the way.
Would also use one of the 3rd round picks to move up if necessary.
Looking to see more of Levi Horn
Again I can't follow this logic.
Making blanket statements about drafting a specific position in a specific round is a recipe for disaster.
What if Blackmon, Floyd, Wright are all gone in the 1st. Do you want Sanu or McNutt or someone like that at 19? What if Kirkpatrick/Kuechly/DeCastro/Ingram fell to 19?
The premise of the original post was, all things being equal (no major FA acquisitions and talent of available players on the board when you pick being equal), what position do you want to address. Pegging specific guys for specific rounds, though, is an exercise in disappointment.
by IOftenPanic on Feb 17, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
NFP's WR rankings
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
54% want WR?
Crazy mang. Crazy. That’s a 3 yr project when only AJ Green really produced this year. They didn’t get him at #19 either. It busts our entire draft picking a WR in the 1st.
I think that 54% is based off of all things being equal (meaning we don't improve in FA at WR).
We have to get viable targets somewhere. I think Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, Kendall Wright and Mohamed Sanu all have a good chance to get at least 50 catches as a rookie in most offenses… which would make them an instant upgrade for the Beras.
by IOftenPanic on Feb 17, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
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