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Is a Trade for Brandon Marshall In the Works?

This has been a rumor for years now, where it all started in 2009 shortly after the magnificent trade for our franchise QB took place. And, this team is clearly in need of a big time receiver if it wants to compete with the big boys in the NFC. Would it be simpler to sign and/or draft our top target? Perhaps, but now that we've added a former Broncos coach onto the staff, combined with reasons that shall be described after the jump, this possibility is making more sense by the minute.


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The date: April 3rd, 2009. The event, the Chicago Bears acquire former Broncos' starting QB Jay Cutler in a blockbuster trade. This is coming off of the best season in his career where now hired Bears QB coach Jeremy Bates was his QB coach in Denver, and Brandon Marshall was his #1 target. Ever since then, the closest thing Jay Cutler has had to a #1 WR is Earl Bennett. Its been 3 years, and he still has yet to throw passes to what people consider a legit #1, nor has he had time to throw. Now, improving the OL is a separate issue, but not being provided a top target is inexcusable. That, ultimately is one of the reasons Jerry Angelo lost his job, because he failed to provide Jay Cutler the talent he needs to truly succeed. Well, now Phil Emery, the new Bears GM, has a chance to right that wrong.

As previously stated, Jay Cutler had the most success when plays were designed to use his mobility and when he had a true top target going down-field for bombs. This sounds like the type of passing game now OC Mike Tice intends on running, but he's still missing a key ingredient, a true #1 target who will go up and get those bombs. While together in Denver, they were considered one of the top passing tandems in the NFL. A Pro Bowl QB throwing to his Pro Bowl WR, that's how you dominate on offense in the NFL. Phil Emery himself stated they need to bring in productive playmakers, and Brandon Marshall happens to be such. In 6 seasons with 2 different teams (Broncos and Dolphins) and 4 different starters at QB (Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, and Matt Moore) he has recorded 494 recs for 6,247 yards and 34 TDs. In those 6 years, he's also had 3 straight seasons where he recorded over 100 recs (2 with Cutler) and has just finished his 5th straight season where he recorded over 1,000 yards. Those numbers are extremely impressive if you ask me. Now, how do we get him for a reasonable price? That shall all be explained in this next paragraph.

Originally, on April 15, 2010, the Denver Broncos traded Brandon Marshall to the Miami Dolphins for 2 second round choices. Now, I don't expect his price to be much if any lower than that, rather some may feel it will be higher. However, this morning fellow WCG member Timothy Hockemeyer presented a simple yet sound explanation in today's edition of The Den in response to my concern as to what I felt was a very small chance this would actually happen:

I'm not so sure....this year the FA market is flooded with wideouts and the draft is deep at the position. The Phins and the Bears both know there are other options for Chicago so it should drive down the trade value considerably.

And, it is true that this year includes both a FA market and a draft that is stacked with talent in the WR position. So, in that regard, Brandon Marshall may not be seen as "irreplaceable" to the Dolphins. Also, the Dolphins are what appears to be in rebuild mode, with a new coaching staff as well as front office which will make philosophical changes both on offense and defense. They need both cap space and draft picks. Many would clamor "Why would they get rid of their best player on offense?". The reason is this: When teams are in rebuild mode, a good number of times teams will trade their best players in an effort to bring in players for their own system. There is no sentimental attachment to Brandon Marshall, and he is the one player on that team who will command multiple draft picks. Nothing is known at the time whether the Dolphins are truly willing to trade Brandon Marshall, but Brandon Marshall has been seen to show interest in reuniting with Jay Cutler on numerous occasions, especially on twitter. What will also drive his price down is his record, granted it has been better in Miami than it was in Denver. Saying that, said record will also include a bit of risk in this trade. So, is a trade likely then? It all depends on Phil Emery.

Phil Emery has already stated they need to bring in playmakers, but, he also has placed a higher emphasis on the draft. If a 1st round pick is included, forget it. You may also want to forget trading Lance Briggs to another team, let alone the Dolphins because even if they are switching to a 4-3, I don't see how Lovie Smith would tolerate losing one of his best players on defense. I do feel, though, if the price is just right to a point a 1st rounder isn't included, Phil Emery could pull the trigger. He himself understands we need WRs, and it would be even better if it was someone who had a ton of success with their current franchise QB in the past. They've already hired Jeremy Bates because of his work with Cutty, now maybe its time to grab his favorite former target from Denver. On top of that, not only does their franchise QB have connections with Brandon Marshall, but now a member of their coaching staff has connections with said player as well. The pressure on Emery to call the 'Phins and inquire about the former standout Bronco might be at an all time high. After all, we need productive playmakers on offense, and Brandon Marshall happens to be just that. What say you?

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I would but only for the right price. maybe a 3rd and 4th or what not

by chiguy8506 on Feb 7, 2012 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

As long as we ......

….. don’t have to give up much more than a third rounder I’d be fine with it . Jay & Brandon have history together & know one another very well .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 7, 2012 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

While I would love to have Marshall, I think this is wishful thinking for a number of reasons.

1. Adam Schefter (who is more solid than most with his info) has indicated that Miami is the favorite to land Manning. If that’s the case it will ultimately be up to Manning as to whether or not he wants Marshall (a #1 WR) or absolutely nothing on that roster. I imagine he doesn’t want to throw to Hartline as his #1.

2. If not Manning then how are you going to attract a QB like Flynn if you don’t get Manning? You’re not picking high enough to get Luck in the draft and are likely to get outbid for RGIII by someone with better or more picks (Cleveland). So who’s left to draft? Tannehill or Osweiler or Foles? All those scenarios likely equal 2-3 years of rebuilding.

3. Miami is better than people think. There defense is strong and they didn’t quit on their lame duck coach. Getting a legit QB (Manning) and adding pieces in FA and the draft (Martin/Reiff at OT… someone like WR McNutt in the 2nd) is a much better strategy than a fire sale of your best player on offense.

4. Ownership would look pretty dumb giving two 2nd rounders away (an overpay to start with) to get a guy and trade him two years later for anything less than that. But who’s paying that price?.

5. Trading Marshall gives Miami an abyssmal receiving corps. I don’t see where you get enough value in return to move him. You can’t trade away half your offense and a legit #1 WR if you aren’t getting a 1st rounder in return at minimum.

6. The deep FA and draft classes of WRs work against this happening, not for it. Why give up draft picks, when the new CBA makes them even more valuable, when you can go get a #1 WR for just money? It’s not like Marshall is going to be cheaper on the cap than most of these guys (though less money/no SB up front for the two years on his contract). If anything this drives the price that teams will pay down, which should lessen the chance even more that Miami would trade him… since you’re likely to get an even worse return on your investment.

7. If Miami does trade Marshall for a 3rd round pick or lower (or even two 3rds), then their management team are getting swindled and we should start raiding that team for all of their talent.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 7, 2012 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

Well said Panic!

This article is good Erik but not realistic from Miami’s side. They would be seriously hurting if they traded Marshall for a couple of mediocre draft picks. Id say there is a 1/2 % chance of this happening.

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by fortefan09 on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

…not realistic from Miami’s side

But other franchises should be prepared to give us the benefit of lopsided trades! Just because.

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by Spongie on Feb 7, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If we give them a second and our high third it might work.

Should the Dolphins land Manning they can just snatch up Reggie Wayne and draft somebody else high. This still gives us a first rounder to grab an OT or DE. Right now I’m thinking drafting an OT might be good and then making a play for Mario Williams. The Texans don’t really need him and he’d be the perfect choice to play opposite Julius Peppers.

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by badsamaritan on Feb 7, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

No that won’t be enough. I say draft two up and coming WR and wait for final cut downs and snatch a steal. You will always be able to a WR it’s not like finding a LT

by mcrann1 on Feb 10, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you. And as an added point...

…which I mention below.

Miami would take a $3.3M dead space cap hit by trading Marshall.

So $10.4M cap hit ($9.3M in money paid in 2012) to keep a #1 and your only WR worth a damn or $3.3M cap hit to maybe get less in return for what you paid for him just two years ago.

Makes no sense for Miami. Then again their are bad GMs in every sport… so who knows?

by IOftenPanic on Feb 8, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Doubt this happens

Considering the FA crop, I see little chance we trade a valuable draft pick (3rd round or higher) to land Marshall. If there weren’t many FA options, different story. But I have to believe we’re going to go after Bowe, VJax, or Colston, possibly in that order. None will cost us any picks.

by guy incognito on Feb 7, 2012 5:50 PM CST reply actions  

One thing to consider is:

While it is a deep market right now, it may not be the same once FA actually starts up. And, there will be competition from teams such as the Patriots, 49ers, and Redskins among others. So, it’s always good to have an alternative in the trade market.

Now, in saying all that, my preferred method is signing Bowe/V-Jax/Colston in FA then picking up a good prospect in the draft, perhaps Michael Floyd in the 1st.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 7, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t think this is very likely…but it isn’t out of the realm of possibility. And…yes, I’d prefer to keep our picks and sign somebody else.

by guy incognito on Feb 7, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

right

did any of us expect the Cutler trade? Or the Pepper signing

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by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

If the price isn't too steep...

Then I’d jump on it. Maybe they’d be interested in something like this…

Miami gets:
Johnny Knox
2012 2nd round draft pick

Bears get:
Marshall
2012 5th round draft pick (optional)

I like Knox. I really do. But Marshall is simply a better receiver all around, and the Bears already have a second (and more valuable) Knox in Devin Hester. If our WR corps was Marshall-Bennett-Hester-Sanz, I’d be reasonably happy going into next season.

by Doshi on Feb 7, 2012 7:59 PM CST reply actions  

this doesn't make sense for Miami

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by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I know this won't be popular around here..

but why not give up a 1st round pick for him? All the talk is on mock draft sites is the Bears taking Michael Floyd (or a WR), well, use that pick to get a legit number 1 receiver. Miami gave up 2 second round picks for him and he’s done nothing but produce for the Phins with average QB’s throwing to him. I would suggest doing the same as Miami did with two 2’s, but I say get it done in one draft rather than spreading it out over 2 or more.

If Emery has other thoughts with the 1st pick then I’d forget try a multiple pick offer, maybe including a player. Wonder if Miami would have any interest in Hester?

Just my two cents.

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by boondock_saint812 on Feb 7, 2012 8:24 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

Why not give up a 1st for a PROVEN pro bowl wr? Especially if thas the direction we’re going anyway. Then we keep our other picks and restock thru the draft. Petsonally, I think it would b well worth it and they could possibly package those picks and move up to get RG3 or Blackmon if they choose to

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by EmmCeee on Feb 7, 2012 9:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I believe he was near the top of the league

in dropped passes, something we as Bears fans have consistently complained about.

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by Kev H on Feb 7, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He certainly has had a good number of drops

But, he also outproduced Roy Williams 2 full.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 7, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I would hope so

Marshall was thrown at more than twice as many times

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by Kev H on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

And produces big yards and touchdowns

I can handle drops if the guy is gonna give us 1000+ yards and 8-10 tds. Drops from underachievers is worse imo

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by EmmCeee on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Well if you give Williams the same number of targets that Marshall had

with the some completion rate he was managing, you’re looking at 85 receptions for 1164 yards. At which point I don’t think many of us would be complaining.

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by Kev H on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

So did most 5'8 wide-outs from Jones Jr. High.

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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I had thought about this

Bowe and Stevie are the two guys who I think are comparable to Marshall… in that they can be 1000 yard guys now and through most of Cutler’s prime. If the Bears can sign one of these two, AND keep their 1st round pick… that’s easily the ideal situation IMO.

If not, and the Bears are deciding between settling with Wayne/Colston/VJack/Lloyd… I’d trade a 1st for Marshall. He could give the Bears 5 elite years, which is more than I can expect from a #19 pick. and the Bears have too much invested to not give Cutler a legit #1 in Urlacher’s/Briggs’/Peppers’ final years.

by YaoPau on Feb 8, 2012 6:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

I would rather have Bowe or Stevie (but in that order) than Marshall. I would also rather have either Wayne/Colston/VJack/Lloyd along with Wright in the first round than Marshall, especially when considering whatever it’ll probably cost to trade for him.

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by Bearsh!tt!n on Feb 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think this will happen but here how it might go down...

Hester and one of our late rounders for Marshall. We get rid of a highly paid (earning every penny) return man for a legit #1 receiver and a late round pick. Marshall will command a first round pick or compensation in the form of a player and a later round pick. Maybe we’ll be able to get him for Briggs straight up. Doubt it but maybe.

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by Just Dave on Feb 7, 2012 8:50 PM CST reply actions  

I can't imagine Briggs or Hester for the matter going anywhere

I myself have serious doubts about the possibility of a trade for Marshall, but, it may now not be completely out of the question. Certainly something to keep an eye on and wonder, isn’t it?

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 7, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

If we could trade Briggs for Marshall straight up...

I’d do that in a heartbeat. I just don’t see too many scenarios where we get Marshall for a reasonable price. Not holding my breath on this one.

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by Acreman20 on Feb 7, 2012 9:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree, and Briggs can be replaced without extreme difficulty.

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by Maelvampyre on Feb 7, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

What we may have been trying to do in the past is irrelevant...

…It’s time to think outside of the box. The window of opportunity to the SB isn’t getting bigger.

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by Maelvampyre on Feb 11, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

With all due respect... I would like some sort of explanation on why a Briggs/Marshall trade makes any sense.

As I outlined in another response in this post, that makes zero sense for either team and creates a bunch of dead cap space. Briggs has no leverage and Marshall is Miami’s only offensive weapon (assuming Bush doesn’t repeat).

by IOftenPanic on Feb 8, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

And who replaces him? And what if Urlacher goes down?

I can’t believe people would consider trading our LBs. Look at the roster – we have TWO linebackers worth a damn. Why would you trade away a key player? We’re trying to improve the roster, not weaken it.

by Wally&Mac on Feb 11, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Well I can see Briggs gettin gone this season , why ? Hes on the ....

….. wrong side of 30 , he still has a ton of trade value and we could draft or sign someone to replace him with relative ease . Another way to ease the pain of trading him is to grab another pass rusher like Mario Williams and you’ll never even notice Briggs is gone . Look at the Giants roster ……. can you name their starting LB’s ? Probably not , but I bet you can name their DE’s .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 11, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Good points, Monster.

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by Maelvampyre on Feb 11, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Have to disagree with the first half of this statement.

We are not replacing Briggs with ease, and frankly there’s no reason to get rid of him. No way you get similar value by trading him and there’s no reason to trade him. The Bears have all the leverage. And I see no reason to think Briggs will decline in the remaining two years of his contract.

I do agree getting Mario Williams would be a boost… we can pretty lose anyone on our defense and get a net gain by getting Williams.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

If Url goes down, we are screwed whether Briggs is here or not...

…so we have to make some moves, if feasible.

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by Maelvampyre on Feb 11, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Briggs will be probably be gone

simply because its pretty sure he will be demanding more money this season.

by Gaak on Feb 7, 2012 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

If they don’t trade Briggs, they’ll just flip his contract salary for this year with next years

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by touchdown bears on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Respectfully, I don't see this at all.

What leverage does Briggs have other than not playing and not getting paid at all? He’s ~$4.6M against the cap ($4M in salary and bonuses in 2012) and ~$7.1M against the cap in 2013 ($6.5M in salary and bonuses). He’s not going to sit two years and give up $10.5M dollars.

He whined his way into this contract and I don’t see the new GM starting a bad precedent by paying people who think they are worth more.

If I’m the Bears I tell him we’re willing to extend him or he can sit out and earn nothing. Players don’t give money back when they underperform their contracts and the Bears took care of Briggs once.

He’s still one of the best LBs in the game. Trading him for anything less than a windfall would be a sign of contrition just like giving him a raise.

The other wrinkle is that trading Briggs would be ~$1.3M in dead cap space that would hit in 2013 along with adding (in a Briggs for Marshall scenario as some have suggested) a $9.3M cap hit for Marshall. So $10.6M against the cap ($6M more than just keeping Briggs) to trade Briggs for Marshall? Who does that?

And Miami would take a $3.3M dead space cap hit by trading Marshall.

Trading Marshall makes very little sense for Miami outside of receiving a ton of picks and trading Briggs makes zero sense.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 8, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. It's ~$49M with the rollover and 19 open spots on the 53-man.

When you see random reports they are usually taking numbers they see printed elsewhere that don’t account for what’s actually on the books or the rollover or the actual cap number or Hester/Bennett/Garza I see misreported often and their cap hits.

Don’t trust journalists when it comes to a big cap number. I put together every confirmed salary/contract report, confirmed with the NFLPA and put it on a spreadsheet.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

To further illustrate that point...

…go to any journalist/site that lists the Bears cap space and ask them the cap hits for Hester, Bennett, Garza and Edwin Williams. I bet good money none of them get the numbers right and at most come back with their salary figure. Most of them just guesstimate or rely on another source which didn’t do their homework.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 13, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I say go for it if.....

We can trade for Marshall for:

1.) Our 2012 2nd and one of our 3rd’s.

or

2). Our 2012 2nd and a conditional pick for 2013 (2nd-5th based on Marshall’s performance.)

or

3.) Straight up for Briggs

Unreasonable people make life difficult...

by WisBearsFan34 on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 PM CST reply actions  

As long as we keep the first or second round pick for another WR

Bring him in. Cutler could have a pro-bowl year with Marshall + Floyd + Bennett + Hester/Sanzendoodle. If the price is way high, then explore the FA market. Either way, bringing two good WRs, there’s the potential to have a dominating ground game and a very respectful air attack.

The thing about JA being gone is that higher picks suddenly feel they have some value. A few months ago I’d be more than willing to give the first two picks for decent players.

by lmfsilva on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 AM CST reply actions  

Kreutz ain't a Bear no more man & you ....

….. say Lacher needs a replacment and I say I’ll raise you Ray Lewis is older , playin the same position & is still playin at a high level . So maybe Lach’s demise is a bit overstated .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 11, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Lach's value at this point is shifting from mere physical to mental...

..this gives him greater longevity.

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by Maelvampyre on Feb 11, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly what Ray Lewis has become with the Ravens ....

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by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 11, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

absolutely assuming the price is reasonable

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by lookingdeadred on Feb 8, 2012 7:52 AM CST reply actions  

No. Without being tediously cumulative....

1.) Deep FA Market
2.) We’ve been clamoring for a GM who will draft well- lets just try (for shits and gigs) to use all 8 draft picks to get quality…for free (relative term).
…and if we do decide to trade picks for personnel upgrades…
3.) We have other needs that we could trade to fill. (DE, CB, OL)

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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

Then again...we do have a a lot of money that must be obligatorily spent to meet the cap...

Gahhhh I don’t know. I am about as sure about this as Peter Kind is of anything.

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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

King*

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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Just a note...

…this is actually the last year where you don’t have to spend nearly as much in relation to the cap. The Bears have a ton of space, but don’t have to use a significant portion of it.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 8, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Again, though

The FA market may not be all that deep once it actually starts. And, we’re not the only team who will be searching for wideouts. Also, as long as we can keep our 1st rounder, why not send a couple of picks in a reasonable trade for Brandon Marshall?

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

You might have gone over this already, but what are you suggesting as highest value you'd give away, if in Emery's shoes?

And what is an idea trade for us to get Marshall? I’m just not sure of his value.

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by CurtisEnisFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Right now, based off of the trade made years ago

The highest I would offer is this years’ 2nd and lower 3rd round pick. The original trade was for Miami’s second round choice in the 2010 and 2011 draft.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with trading for Marshall...

…and yes, not all of the WRs everyone is listing will be available. The two points I am making (made in some posts above) are:

1. How do most of these trade scenarios make any sense for Miami? My point is that they are not reasonable from Miami’s side. It makes (near) perfect sense for the Bears.

2. I still believe it’ll be very possible for the Bears to get a significant upgrade at WR. We have more cap room than most, we’re a huge market, we have a very good QB, and anyone of the elite guys we bring in will be a clear-cut #1.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 8, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Timmy also pointed out an article presenting a case Brandon Marshall is difficult for the Dolphins to work with

It would make sense on the gridiron for Miami to trade Marshall, since he can be replaced rather easily while getting them needed draft picks to aid in the transformation of their football team. Financially, not so much, but a trade of Marshall for draft picks could benefit both sides.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Again I have to respectfully disagree.

If the biggest benefit is because Marshall is a headache… every team probably has six of those guys. You don’t trade away talent for being difficult unless you are a bad GM and want to set a precedent rewarding bad behavior. The same goes for Briggs and his contract whining (as other have noted on here).

Saying Marshall can be replaced easily works against the case for Marshall. If his production is easily replaced (assuming you mean in Free Agency), why wouldn’t the Bears (or anyone else) grab that production without giving up their own picks?

Plus my point still stands that Miami does not need to be transformed. They were much better than their record last year, have a solid defense and really need a QB, an OT and another WR (not trading one). Say they sign Manning (they are the current favorite but who knows) or Flynn, draft someone like Martin/Reiff in the first round, then get a McNutt in the 2nd along with a #2/#3 WR in FA. All of a sudden that team is a playoff contender with some good young pieces.

Say Miami doesn’t get a FA QB. Then they probably need picks to trade up to get RGIII. Or they can draft Tannehill or someone like that… but you can’t play those guys with absolutely no one to throw to.

I believe all this speculation is based solely off of some tweets, which in this day and age is commonplace. I don’t see a lot of scenarios that benefit Miami by trading Marshall, unless someone wants to severely overpay… and in that case I don’t want the Bears to do it.

by IOftenPanic on Feb 8, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Erik , you’re 1000 percent correct. If Miami’s GM even gave it a second thought – he’d be dragged out of his office for pee samples.

by Thump 1 on Feb 21, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Receivers take a long time to develop.

We don’t have time. The core of this team is aging, the window of opportunity is short before a complete rebuild is required. Marshall has 100+ passes for each of three seasons with Cutler. It’s a no-brainer.

by Wally&Mac on Feb 11, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see this happen but I honestly doubt it actually happens.

The Dolphins now have an offensive-minded HC and if he brings in Matt Flynn or even Peyton Manning, I doubt they’d trade Marshall away for anything less than a 1st or maybe more. Not saying he’s worth more than a 1st at most, but if they hike up his price almost no team would want to trade that much away for him, especially since there are other equally attractive options heading to FA.

by frenchbears113 on Feb 8, 2012 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

Right now the price is unknown for Brandon Marshall

In saying that, I doubt they can hike the price up given the deep pool of FA WRs this year. Basic economics: The more items available to meet the demands, the lower the cost will be. Joe Philbin may keep him around, or maybe not. I definitely don’t have a clue what will happen, but more surprising trades have happened in the past. This is a possibility worth exploring.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

They also have a new GM who outranks the HC.

Philbin has been quoted as saying he wants “very high character guys”. Marshall is not even close to that, they’ll trade him if we ask.

Peyton Manning is finished by the way, for those that can’t read between lines.

by Wally&Mac on Feb 11, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Are we really still talking about this?

This trade makes absolutely no sense for the Dolphins. They just hired an offensive minded coach, are likely to bring in a QB in the FA and have no other legitimate weapons at WR. Knowing all of that why on earth would they trade away not only their only recieving weapon but possibly their best offensive weapon?

And can we stop calling this a rumor. Is there any actual evidence that this is anything more than fan speculation? Just because two players tweet that they would like to get back together and some writer says “ya, that’d be a smart move” doesn’t make it a rumor. Adam Schefter or Jason LaConfora reporting that sources close to the team tell them the team is open to trading Marshal is a rumor.

by Joeb'n777 on Feb 8, 2012 11:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'm a NO.

As much as I’d love B. Marshall, I voted no for some of the reasons you stated as why his trade value should go down. Why give up any picks when there are so many top tier WRs available in FA? Plus the guy seems to always have some sort of domestic abuse case going. I’d much rather sign D. Bowe,and keep the picks, than trade for Marshall.

by timoteo1312 on Feb 8, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

That's a good reason

And in all honesty, that’s my preferred method in addressing the WR situation. This is just another alternative I’m certain someone else would have brought up eventually. Bottom line, we need a top flight WR.

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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

If we strike out on the FA WRs, I’d end up doing Victor Cruz’s salsa dance everywhere I went if we traded for Marshall.

by timoteo1312 on Feb 8, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

On giving up our #1 pick....

I, too, am hesitant to give away our first rounder. But, what if we could trade Miami our 1st Rounder for Marshall and their 2nd?

A. Much of the commenting here has been based upon Miami have Manning. To me, that’s a HUGE assumption. 1. We don’t know where he’s going to go, and perhaps more importantly, 2. We don’t know if the guy can/will even play next year for anyone. The Dolphins may want a second 1st round pick to move up for RGIII.

B. With the Bears having two 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks, I think we’re still giving Emery a chance to make a splash in the draft. OT, DE, LB, WR, and DBs will all be available in those rounds, and they’ll be drafted earlier enough to make an impact in 2013.

C. The erection I get from thinking of getting Marshall and also signing a #2 WR FA like Colston has put a hole in my desk at work.

D. I’d throw Knox into any trade, although I love him and he has scored me many Madden touchdowns. However, the trade value for the Six Million Dollar Man (we will rebuild him) isn’t going to be that high, that is, unless every time he moves on the field there is somehow that “na na na na na na” sound from the TV show.

On the other hand, I’m fine with trying to grab Bowe or Colston (not VJax) and then drafting Floyd.

by myronaiii on Feb 8, 2012 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

I would love Marshall on the Bears.

I know Cutler would be ecstatic to have his 6’5 WR back. Those two would be a dangerous concoction.
Also with that the Bears will be able to focus on OL, DE, OLB, DB, RB, and TE (Yes, Pretty much every position).

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by DaBears33 on Feb 8, 2012 9:40 PM CST reply actions  

A few things from a Dolphins fan:

1. The Dolphins are NOT in reubild mode. They think they can add a couple of pieces (QB especially) and be serious contenders, especially with the way they played the second half of the season.
2. Marshall joking around with Cutler does not mean he wants out of Miami or that he wants to be traded to the Bears. In fact, he has been publicly campaigning for Manning to come to the Dolphins if the Colts cut him.
3. He is popular in the locker room, with the fans, and with ownership. They do not want to get rid of him.
4. The Dolphins don’t have a lot of talent outside of Marshall in terms of WRs. If anything, they are looking to add to their WR core, not deminish it. Especially if they are going to make a move for Manning or Flynn.
5. IF (and that’s a big if) the Dolphins are going to trade him, any team that wants him would have to over-pay to get him. There is no reason for the Dolphins to trade him right now unless they get at least a first rounder for him, otherwise the trade makes no sense. The Bears can get talen elsewhere without giving up as much.

by cubman987 on Feb 9, 2012 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

Dolphins

have been rebuilding since Marino, but everything else you said makes sense.

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by Brendan Hess on Feb 10, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

They've been looking for a QB since Marino

but there have been a few good teams built since then, but only a few. But I’m talking about how the team is going about getting ready for next year, the owner and GM have both said they are not going to “rebuild” by trading away their good players for draft picks, they think they can add a QB and fill a few other holes with the draft and free agency and actually be contenders next season.

by cubman987 on Feb 10, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

until they acquire someone better

the answer is always yes

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by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2012 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

It’s either that or you have to steal him. The NFL frowns on that behavior.

by mcrann1 on Feb 10, 2012 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

Remember Marshall

has had some problems also. For the “Marshall Plan” to work he has to be a law abide n citizen or one incident one year sup.

by mcrann1 on Feb 10, 2012 2:19 PM CST reply actions  

I know Marshall has talent

But honestly I don’t trust him. He has shown in previous years with the domestic violence and now the personality disorder, to me he is a ticking bomb. Players like that usually don’t find their way to Chicago. Now who do I want to see?

Vincent Jackson…oh yes.

by Hugh Heavens on Feb 10, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

Vincent Jackson is so overrated

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by suckmyditka on Feb 10, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Acreman20 on Feb 10, 2012 9:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

A true #1 WR is a necessity but :::::::

A true Animal with an attitude should be the order of the day, plus a backup of the same is an absolute must, should be Emery’s first order of business. All of the available # 1 WRs are as useless as teats on a boar if Jay has to throw with his arse stuck on the ground. Protect Jay first and he will put the ball anywhere he wants. We had a sample of what happens when Jay is bench warming because of injury in 2011. Protect your playmaker so he can do his job and all else will fall into place.

by E. T. on Feb 10, 2012 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

NO

Fix the Offensive Line

by touchdown bears on Feb 11, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I trhought you were kidding about getting TO,

you were serious … dayum

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by lookingdeadred on Feb 11, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

No

I think he’s a “me” type a player and really isn’t a great vertical threat. Although last season him and Moore got his ypc well above 11.

I’d rather them go hard after Vjax, Bowe or Colston and save their picks to help rebuild their defense and O-line.

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by propheteer on Feb 10, 2012 10:23 PM CST reply actions  

Who? MArshall? Asomugha said he was the hardest player in the NFL to bring down !

He holds the NFL record for most catches in a game at 23. He caught over 310 balls in 3 seasons with Cutler – he can’t get vretical? What more do you want. Move the chains. That’s all that counts. Long drives are better anyway.

by Wally&Mac on Feb 11, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be upset

Just don’t over pay for him. If they don’t trade their first rounder I’d be ok with the move.

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by propheteer on Feb 11, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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