The Bears Den: February 8, 2012
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Bears hire Bates as quarterbacks coach Mayer: Jeremy Bates, who worked closely with Jay Cutler during three seasons with the Broncos from 2006-08, has been hired by the Bears as quarterbacks coach.
Cutler is thrilled to reunite with Bates Mayer: With the Bears hiring Jeremy Bates as their quarterbacks coach, Jay Cutler is eager to try to replicate the success the two enjoyed together with the Broncos.
15 on 6: Cutler, Bates could form lethal duo New Bears quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates knows Jay Cutler well and there's plenty of reasons for optimism about what the two can accomplish for the Bears. Jim Miller explains.
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Who is Jeremy Bates? Andracki: The Bears recently hired Jeremy Bates as their new quarterbacks coach, but what does his resume look like and why was he hired for this position?
Bates’ hiring hints at more 'O' changes What does Jeremy Bates' hiring mean for the Bears? John "Moon" Mullin believes the signing means changes are coming, and they could be very, very good changes.
Bowen: Cutler Spent Most Of Season ‘Running For His Life’ WSCR: Matt Bowen tells Boers and Bernstein that, even though QB Jay Cutler made plays "running for his life", he needs time in the pocket to go through his progression.
Silverman: Bears Need To Take Big Jump To Reach Giants’ Level " CBS Chicago It’s hard to picture the Bears going into Lambeau and dominating the Packers. Squeaking out a win on their best day? Possibly. But there’s no way they would go into Green Bay and overpower the Packers.
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What do you guys think about this?
I think the Bears need to make some big FA moves or trades. I say we Draft Floydd in the 1st round, Trade Briggs to Miami for Marshall and try to obtain Cortland Finnegan in FA this year. Franchise Forte and pick-up a couple of Linebackers in the middle to late rounds of the draft. 2nd round of the draft should be dedicated to a LG or Center. We do these things and I have no doubt that the Bears will be a Stupid Bowl contender next year.
I know people will frown on the Briggs thing but He is not getting any younger and wanted out last year. Trade him and get a proven offensive talent and get another guy in the draft. Marshall is still fairly young at 28 and can immediately improve our offensive potency. Take a couple shots in the draft to replace Briggs and if we can get an elite CB that should put us in a good position.
Angelo is a lifetime participant in the Stupid Bowl.
And with all the reasons you mentioned about a Briggs for Marshall swap… Why would Miami do that!?! This Marshall trade stuff is out of control.
by TJ Shouse on Feb 8, 2012 7:22 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Miami could trade Brandon Marshall
Because they are in rebuild mode. New HC, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and they need both cap space as well as draft picks to make that happen.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions
They are in rebuild mode?
Pretty sure that contradicts what the owner said recently…..
I wonder how many people will be upset when marshall does not come to the Bears…..
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- NEW Bears GM Phil Emery on evaluating NFL talent
What did their owner say?
When I see a new HC and a new front office established in the same year, I read “Rebuild Mode”
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry it was "mia inside sources"
Was along the lines that they were concerned about attendance (IIRC it was down for them this year) and they want to win now….So much so that they were multiple sources saying that peyton manning is the number one target in FA….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- NEW Bears GM Phil Emery on evaluating NFL talent
by CloudyFuture on Feb 8, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
Interesting…
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I gotta agree
The Dolphins finished the year 6-3… their defense gave up the league’s 5th fewest points and is full of talent… they actually had a positive point differential this year despite their awful start. This team is a QB away from being a solid playoff team, and Marshall hasn’t said he wants out of Miami, just that he wants to play with a better QB. Trading Marshall moves them backwards, not forwards.
But, there is no telling how a new scheme on each side of the ball will effect that talent
That defense is now converting to a 4-3 scheme. They’ll need both LBs and DL that fit said scheme. They finished off the year strong, but I also doubt the team will be the same this year as it was when they finished last season.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, so they're adjusting their scheme
I don’t see why you interpret that as rebuilding. If anything, I would think they’re in win-now mode.
Cameron Wake is 30, Karlos Dansby is 30, and their top draft picks in recent years are in their prime right now (Jake Long, Paul Solial, Vontae Davis). They were winning last year with Matt Moore at QB. Instead of a complete rebuild, and trading away their only elite offensive weapon, who happens to be 27 years old… I think it would be a lot easier to throw money at Flynn or Peyton and try to win now.
So why did they completely change the coaching staff if they are in win now mode?
That doesn’t make sense. A new scheme on offense and defense. They have players to build around, but also need players that fit their new sheme. Here is what I’m thinking, that if I can trade one player that can gain me multiple draft picks and save me some cap space, while giving me a chance to fill many needs, why wouldn’t I consider it? If Peyton Manning somehow winds up in Miami, which I still doubt, then they would sign Reggie Wayne. If Matt Flynn comes to Miami, then they could also bring in Jermichael Finley and draft a stud receiver to replace Marshall.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
Changing a scheme is nothing
The Packers changed schemes and stayed competitive. Same with the Texans. And the Dolphins usually sprinkle in some 4-3 iirc. And the offense “change” is just a change in coordinator. That’s a common thing in the NFL.
But did the Packers clean house while changing schemes?
I think not. Not only are they changing schemes, it’s being done so with a completely different coaching staff. Even here in Chicago changes are to be made with the offense despite an in house promotion to OC. When changes are made to the coaching staff, then changes to the roster will happen.
A great example of trading your one threat on offense was in 2004, when Marty Booker was shipped to Miami. It happened in Denver. It’s happening in Indianapolis. New coaching staffs will always result in changes to the roster, some more dramatic than others. And, Brandon Marshall could be traded as a result.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
You want to hand on to that
dream so bad……Never give up….Gotta say I admire your optimism…..
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- NEW Bears GM Phil Emery on evaluating NFL talent
by CloudyFuture on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ops hand = hang
whoa….That was bad….
"In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluctuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data....."
- NEW Bears GM Phil Emery on evaluating NFL talent
Hey now, I've always got alternatives lol
If Brandon Marshall doesn’t come, then there is always Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, and Marques Colston in FA. But, since I was bold enough to write a post suggesting a trade for Brandon Marshall, I might as well defend it.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh good point
though all those guys will most likely get franchised / not traded…..
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by CloudyFuture on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Vincent Jackson will not be tagged by the Chargers
The other two have a chance to go either way.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Sure about that
cause the professor says he had heard other wise….But ya I had seen mixed reports about vjax because of his attitude towards the front office but rivers would like to keep him from what I had seen…..
bowe will be tagged from reports in kc….Had not heard much on colston…..
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- NEW Bears GM Phil Emery on evaluating NFL talent
If the Saints can get the Brees deal ....
….. done it sounds like Colston will get tagged & Nicks could walk . Also it looks like Stevie Johnson could be allowed to test the Free Agent market along with VJack . KC is tryin to sign both Carr & Bowe …… sounds like they could be on the fence about Bowe , but can you really let him walk if your KC ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Considering Marshall has been campaigning for Matt Flynn in Miami
I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
by lopey986 on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That, is true
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
and draft a stud receiver to replace Marshall.
If it’s that easy, why don’t we just do that a couple of times?
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by Spongie on Feb 8, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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The two obviously have a good football relationship and have chemistry on the field. Briggs wants a new countract that honestly we probably cannot afford going forward or he wants out. He is still playing at a pro-bowl level so why not trade pro-bowl talent for pro-bowl talent. I thought the Briggs for Osi thing was absurd and highly unlikely. I choose Marshall for a couple reasons though. Bowe will likely be franchised. Wayne is old and probably wont help out too much, Steve Johnson is alright but choke artist, and VJax will want a huge payday. I guess people don’t like the idea. But gotta agree at some of your guy’s points.
steve johnson had that one big drop
are there others that i missed? I would love him in a bears uniform
i would do the briggs for marshall trade but i dont think MIA would. And about his contract let him be unhappy, he already got the bulk of his money from it, He’s got all this unearned rev that he has to work off. Let him sit out, see how many teams are going be throwing huge contracts at him after he sits out a year
by TR MacReady on Feb 8, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He did have a few big ones this year.
He had like 7 dropped passes in that game though. That is almost as bad as Roy Williams.
Yea I don't think Lance Briggs is going anywhere
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
Never say never......
Football is a business and Smith has already proven he could get production in the position out of rank backups. You never know…..
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
At one point and time...
Briggs was said rank and file backup.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
While I don't thinnk it's likely, I do think it's possible and mutually benefitial....
Why would Miami do it? They are retooling their defense to the 4-3 and Briggs would do a world of good for the ease of their transition. Both players have been known to be a bit difficult in their respective cities and both have requested a trade at some point.
Will it happen? Who knows. But it certainly is within the realm of possibility and would fill a need for both teams. but I don’[t think it’s likely unless the Bears AND Miami fall short in free agency but in the Bears favor is the fact that there aren’t any top shelf 4-3 OLBs in FA this season.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
why would Miami ever want to trade a 28 year old top notch receiver for a almost 32 year old Linebacker.
Doesnt make a lot of sense considering Marshall is their only great receiver.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Because.....
There are other great receivers on the free agency market, but not proven 4-3 linebackers who have been to seven straight Pro Bowls.
Changing from 3-4 to 4-3 can ruin a season or two. A guy like Briggs can ease the transition greatly. Meanwhile, this is one of the best years in the last decade to snag a receiver.
Not saying it would happen. I[m saying that it wouldn’t be so far out there and it would be mutually beneficial. The Phins are placing a high priority on changing their defense. It really would come down to just how high….along with whether or not Marshall made problems (I mean, why would Denver trade a 26-year-old top-notch receiver for two second round picks? Marshall was their only great receiver and they have yet to replace him). He’s been known to be difficult in the past, and not just in Denver.
Note that I am NOT saying this is what WILL happen. I said I didn’t even think it was likely. But I also think that dismissing it out of hand is silly. There are solid reasons for both teams to make the trade.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Can Bates catch Cutler's passes, too?
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 8, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
ask gisele
Superman wears an Urlacher Jersey under his costume
by BearNecessities on Feb 8, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Bears should look at her
for WR coach…..I think the fans will admire her passion….Er wait what….
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- NEW Bears GM Phil Emery on evaluating NFL talent
They'll be admiring something all right.
Just didn’t think it was called “passion” these days.
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by Steven Schweickert on Feb 8, 2012 12:32 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If they trade Briggs
they have to spend a high pick on replacing him.
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What about the 6th or 7th round LB we picked up to redshirt for the year? He’s a future HOFer, right?
When I assume, I'm not "making an ass out of u and me"... I'm actually putting u between me and an ass.
Hall of Fame character, anyways.
Lets hope he plays as big as his heart.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
I cannot stand Cortland Finnegan
Douchebag Supreme.
by NorthSideBearsFan on Feb 8, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have that douchebag on our side, though.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
He'd be a perfect fit in Lovie's D
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Yes, he would.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 10, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I love how they get announced
and there’s no cheering or acknowledgement at all. People keep walking on by like RATM is a homeless guy looking for a nickel.
If its free, take two.
Well of course they get walked by
it’s their first public performance.
Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.
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Oh, and fyi I missed a chance to watch them on their final tour
thanks to one of the Beastie Boys hurting himself on stage.
If its free, take two.
That blows
By the time I started listening to them they had been broken up for a few years. I did wish I could’ve seen their reunion tour.
...because Cutty does it.
by Sam Householder on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Saw them in January of '93 in Detroit. and at Lollapalooza '93 at Pine Knob
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 9, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
TRADE A PACK OF SMOKES FOR MARSHALL
RABBLE RABBLE WWHHHHAAARRRGGAAARRBLLLEEE!!!!!!
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Really though
Aren’t we getting to that point where we need a Trade Marshall post, like we did with the Cutler trade?
every post is spilling over into a Marshall debate
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Already typed up one in fanposts yesterday
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
FA updates
SD will release Marcus McNeil- could he be healthy enough to fill in at LT?
Wash to tag Fred Davis- no soup for the Bears!
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Marcus McNeil is risky
It could turn out to be a John Tait type signing or it could be Orlando Pace 2.0. I’m weary.
...because Cutty does it.
by Sam Householder on Feb 8, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
I would try and sign him "on the cheap" if he's agreeable
And just tell him that he’ll have to come into camp and win the job. That way you’re not blowing cap money, like we did with Pace.
I'd think it would be a low risk gamble...
One year of Pace again is a low risk vs another john Tait type signing.
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by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Why would he be Pace 2.0?
Pace was 34 during his season with the Bears… McNeill will be 29 next year, and is just coming off a neck injury… assuming he’s cleared to play, I wouldn’t expect that to affect his play.
My issue with McNeill is that he’s just been an average LT for a few years now, and I’d rather give Webb another shot to be the starter for the next decade. But no reason to think McNeill will suddenly break down ala Pace.
I go back & forth with Webb.
7th rounder, thrown into the mix at RT in 2010, but then no offseason because of the lockout. No work with the coaches or the training staff. Maybe he’s not a self-motivator when it comes to working out. Anyway, lockout ends, and he gets thrown into the LT role. He has some good days, and many bad days. Maybe with a complete offseason at Halas Hall working with the coaches, etc. plus minicamps and OTAs will help him make a leap. I sure hope so, because I think Tice & Lovie think he’s the guy.
Tice fell in love with Webb's size and strength
And believes that he’ll be able to improve his technique in pass-protection. This is probably the year that we find out.
It's his work ethic that seems to be the problem
Not time or lack there of. Jurko stated all year during his chats that he thinks Webb has already reached greatness. Sounds like he might be delusional too.
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Huh
Kinda surprised Wash is going to tag Fred Davis. Then again, maybe I shouldn’t.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Having watched a few charger
games recently not surprised….Course I am not a “football scout” so what do I really know…..
Though I think mcneil has been the injury bug that last couple seasons…..
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Yup
Placed on IR the past 2 seasons. Even Chris Williams has been healthier than that…
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Any word
on if the new QB coach is respected enough to be called Master instead of coach?
by Jim Ribs on Feb 8, 2012 11:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm..
I had been expecting more Hey, Mister Bates! jokes by now.
Well if you are in need of a good laugh....
It was just reported both John Shoop and Ron Turner will interview with the Bucs for their OC job. All we need is Mike Martz thrown in the mix, and that my friends is comedy.
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 1:18 PM CST reply actions
Ron Turner was bad in Chicago, but on the right team could still be good.
Wouldnt it be funny if we had another DE with the last name Salters!
Zing!
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
Shoop…hey hey, rhymes with poop
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and if your missing a couple of teeth it might rhyme with soup.
which reminds me Mrs. McNabb would like someone to give her son a job.
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by ed_brown on Feb 8, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
John Shoop?
Wow! You know things are really bad when a team’s Front Office considers John Shoop as a potential candidate for the OC position.
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Shoops been doing a real good job in the college ranks as an OC
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
New Oline guy
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