2012 Chicago Bears Roster Turnover: Guard
Last time out we dissected the Bears center position, so we'll stay with the interior of their line and get into the guards this time. The Bears guards saw a lot turnover in 2012 with 5 different players taking some reps at the two guard positions. We already lumped Chris Spencer into the look at center (click the link above for that), and Frank Omiyale will get his spotlight when the Bears tackles are covered. Spencer actually had the most snaps at the position on the roster with 927 and Omiyale lined up for only 4. Our friends at Pro Football Focus are allowing us to utilize their Premium Content for this series so we hope you enjoy...
Chris Williams - Signed through 2012 - The coaches were pleased with Chris' play at left guard in 2011 and in my viewing of the games I thought he played OK as well. In 2010 he had some leverage and technique issues that hurt his overall play at guard, and he seemed to clean those up this last season. If healthy he'll go into camp as the starting LG.
PFF wasn't very kind with their assessment of his play. His -9.6 grade had him down at 53 with his -9.2 grade as a run blocker really hurting him. Williams isn't a mauling blocker, so grading him could get tricky. He's a technique player that relies more on his quickness to seal of a defender rather than blowing a defender off the ball. In his 9 games he gave up 12 QB pressures, 2 QB hits, and a sack.
Edwin Williams - Signed through 2013 - I thought Edwin played pretty good in 2011. He's definitely a favorite of a lot of Bears fans based on his PFF grades from 2010 and this year. In 2010 he had a +4.5 in his limited action, and I don't think he played up to that grade. I saw a few mental errors where in my opinion he either went the wrong way or blocked the wrong guy on some plays. Last season I disagreed with his grade, but this year I can't. He probably was the Bears best guard, and his PFF grade of a +0.5 shows that. He saw action at both guard spots and PFF had him at #29. I would have no problem if he ended up starting at one of the 3 interior line spots for Chicago.
Lance Louis - Signed through 2012 - I realize that Louis took the majority of his reps at right tackle (713 to 102), but he only filled in there because of Gate 68's continued suckiness. Louis will get a shot at one of the guard spots in camp and his ability to fill in at tackle will ensure his roster spot for 2012.
As a guard Louis had a -2.1 grade and as a tackle he was -35.6. Where do you think he belongs? He started the year blocking in the run game good enough with only 1 negatively graded game in his first 10 and 9 neutral grades. But he was in the negative for his last 4 games. Overall he went 4 negative and 4 neutral graded games starting off the season, but finished with 6 straight in the negative. It seemed as though his technique got sloppier as the year went on, it could have been a mental think that just snowballed on him. I'd like to see him lock in at guard, and only play tackle if the Bears are in a pinch. He gave up 8 sacks from RT.
Ricky Henry - Terms undisclosed - Henry will be a camp body next season, and hopefully the rookie Nebraska product will surprise.
Mansfield Wrotto - Terms undisclosed - Best name on the roster. Wrotto is a 5 year pro that may stick around through camp.
2012 OUTLOOK - Free agent to be Carl Nicks was the 2nd graded (+28.4) guard in football according to PFF. I just don't see the Saints letting him get away. PFF's top guard is the Eagles Evan Mathis, but I don't think he'll get away from Philly. I don't see the Bears addressing guard through a big free agent splash. They may bring in an unheralded guy or two just for competition, but I'd actually be OK if they stuck with their current group.
I believe you can never have too many talented offensive lineman on the roster, so I'd be fine if they drafted one at some point.
Next time out we'll finish up the o-line with a lokt at the tackles.
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Mike Tice's line shuffling was crazy
Not crazy is as in “that’s Tice doing things his way”, crazy as in “what the hell was Tice thinking”.
Look at the PFF grades, and not only should Louis have stayed at guard, but CWilliams should be at left tackle, Spencer at center, Omiyale at guard, Garza at guard. All those guys rated out better at those positions than the one Tice switched them to. Seriously, screw Mike Tice.
Going forward, I’m fine with handing the starting guard jobs to the Williamses. The love for Louis though, I don’t really get…
I see the upside in a 7th round freak like J’Marcus Webb. Louis was a 7th rounder too, who is less physically gifted, and he hasn’t shown much… yet for whatever reason most comments here are fairly optimistic about his future. We saw how bad he was at RT. But even at RG, in 372 career snaps, he has a -3.9 rating, including a -6.7 pass block rating. Project that over a full season’s worth of snaps and it’s not pretty. If the Bears want to retain a 3rd guard, I’d take Omiyale or Garza ahead of Louis.
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elite hands last year, that I’ve anointed him as the starting flanker for this season."
Louis is young, athletic, strong, and nasty
His technique has come a ways since he was a rookie, and I’d like to see how he would preform if able to stay at guard.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Louis will be 27 soon
If you would take him over Omiyale/Garza as a backup because he’s cheap and younger, fine. But there aren’t many former 7th rounders who struggle through age 27 and then suddenly develop.
He's played 3 years
he won the starting job a couple times, but was either hurt or forced to move to another position out of necessity.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand what winning a starting job
on arguably the worst offensive line in the league, by someone who seemed to do a poor job of evaluating who his best players at each position were, is a basis to keep someone starting.
Louis is part of the problem, why should we be trying to maximize his playing time when there are, seemingly, obvious and better options available?
Also, I don't think Louis should ever be our option to
fill in at tackle ever again, unless it’s like the 4th option on the depth chart, and that shouldn’t be a reason to keep him around. I think he proved, convincingly, that he sucks at RT and shouldn’t have the job.
Flexibility implies a baseline ability at multiple positions, if you took any of the OLinemen and put them out at RT I don’t know that they would do worse than Louis did. Although if you are taking the former management’s view of players, perhaps that will be the reason they do keep him.
I though he was solid at guard
And I’d be ok if he were on the team next year battling for a starting guard position
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2012 5:34 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Due to the injury issues to c.Williams and Louis
I would like to see us drafting not through FA a guard with the first three picks we have. Emery likes big players and I’m sure there are some decent values at guard even if it means taking the Stanford guard with the first pick. I would support that and more line competition would be great
by beartopia on Feb 9, 2012 11:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I like the idea of taking an interior guy fairly early in the draft
I don’t see Garza or Spencer being a Bear for that much longer, maybe a year or two at most. It’s a nice situation for a high upside rookie to be in. I don’t know anything about linemen prospects, but CBS has a guy named Michael Brewster projected in the 3rd/4th round. He’s 6’4" 320 and they say gifted athletically… someone like that would be what I’d go for.
There’s also a center prospect named T-Bob Hebert, who I want on this team pronto.
ill take em
I agree on Garza and Spencer. I mean how much longer are they gona be with the team, they aren’t getting any younger. Build a foundation around carimi and Edwin williams and we’re on our way
by beartopia on Feb 9, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fyi T-Bob is Bobby Hebert's son
by TJ Shouse on Feb 9, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
T-Bob?
Great name.
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Get Nicks At Free Agency and Get Rid of Everyone Else
except for Edwin Williams. I mean, why not go for the best? Why settle for the dregs when you dont have to.
N.O. won't let Nicks get away
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 9, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
I can see them giving him the tag and letting Marques Colston walk instead, given the plethora of offensive talent in New Orleans.
Jay Cutler is our QB, and I for one am proud of that
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by Erik Christopher Duerrwaechter on Feb 9, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yup Yup.
Which would be great for us. If we manage to snag him. Hopefully we get Bowe too.
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Feb 9, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe and Colston?
Your dreaming.
by Joeb'n777 on Feb 9, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to see C. Williams, E. Williams and Louis all starting on the interior
I think that combination has a lot of potential. Also, I think it would be a good idea to draft a guard at some point in given C. Williams injury history and in case his asking price gets to high following this season.
by Joeb'n777 on Feb 9, 2012 2:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm a really big fan of Lance Louis' game
i can’t give a compelling argument to back my case its just a personal preference after watching him play throughout the season.
Me too. It's not rational, but it is what it is.
OL might not be good, but it’s got some depth. The team usually carries 8 linemen, sometimes 9, on the roster. Right now, C.Williams, E.Williams, L.Louis, G. Carimi, J. Webb, R. Garza, & R. Spencer are good bets to make the roster. That’s 7, which leaves things open for 1 FA signing and 1 draft pick. If the Bears do go out and get a Nicks, then obviously Garza or Spencer would have to be let go to make room physically and monetarily. If they don’t sign anyone, I’d almost guarantee a good draft pick (1 of our 1st four pix) would be used on a tackle.
I have to assume Omiyale will be let go. He’s a garbage tackle and that’s where we need someone. Louis is a guard who can play tackle in an emergency, he’s not a swing tackle.
The more I think about it,
I’m starting to think the Bears will go out and get a veteran swing tackle to back up Webb & Carimi. There are no star tackles on the market, but some lower tier vets could and probably should be brought in to play with Webb & Carimi. Omiyale is not that guy.
The problem is
What tackles are going to be available in FA? But, yes, our depth at tackle obviously is dangerously thin, and the immediate answer probably won’t come in this year’s draft – unless we reach for a tackle with the 19th pick. Or get lucky and see someone fall to us, like Carimi did last year.
2 guys come to mind:
Jeff Backus, 11 year vet for Detroit. Not much quality there anymore, but he’s a vet who’s started lots of games and has gone up against every good pass rusher in the North.
Marcus McNeil if he does get released because of medical and he’s owed a big bonus. Problem w him is he’s injury prone and can NOT be counted on to start & finish a season. But if he’s your swing tackle, you’re not looking for 16 games from him. If Carimi or Webb falter or get hurt, he’s got the ability to come in and play well.
by Mike Mueller on Feb 10, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
Out of the two I'd lean toward Backus
He would give some quality depth at Tackle and maybe even an upgrade over J’Marcus
by Joeb'n777 on Feb 10, 2012 10:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think drew will want his best WR gone nicks will be out there to pick up
I dont think our OL is as good as some people think it is we need to add a guy at OT forget about webb hes to slow.
Why do you bring up a guard then talk about our need at tackle?
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by badsamaritan on Feb 9, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm actually kinda surprised at the depth we've got on the interior.
Spencer and Garza are both decent Centers and decent Guards. Either could start or back up at any of the 3 Interior positions.
Eddy, Chris, and Lance are all different styles, but appear to be effective Guards. I think Chris is still better served on the outside where his quickness can really shine.
If I had my choice, the interior would look something like this…
LG: Eddy / Chris / Spencer
C: Garza / Spencer
RG: Louis / Spencer / Garza
I really liked how Garza played last year, and I think he’s effectively “won” the C position. However, I also think him and Spencer are virtually interchangeable on this depth chart.
I still want to see Chris line up at LT and see how he works next to Eddy, but I can understand why Tice wouldn’t want to have that happen as well.
Tice, & to a lesser extent Lovie, have committed to Webb.
Webb has shown very brief flashes in between a lot of bad. Maybe, just maybe, with a full off season of working with the coaches and trainers he can make a leap. He was a 7th rounder thrown into the mix at RT when he had been a LT all through college. Then there’s a lockout which takes away his 1st real off-season. No coaching, no training at Halas Hall. Lockout ends, training camp starts and boom…he’s a LT. I’m not surprised he struggled, just to the extent that he struggled. Maybe his off field habits away from the team are bad. Maybe with a full spring summer in Chicago with Tice, etc. on his butt he’ll improve. That’s a lot of maybes. For our sake, and for Jay Cutler’s sake, let’s hope he comes through.
by Mike Mueller on Feb 10, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Whether or not Webb takes that step this year may decide how good Cutler and this offense can be (along with getting him a true #1 to throw to).
I still think Chris Williams
is a LT. I’ve seen nothing from Webb to say he did better there than Chris did before his injury-spurred demotion to the interior…and Chris has had no chance to go back outside.
Webb does need a lot of work, and an off-season can help, but you don’t start potential, you start performance. C. Williams was less bad at LT than Webb. We have 3-4 interior options. Let C. Williams compete at Tackle.
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by Brendan Hess on Feb 10, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
You may be on to something about Williams
The problem is, Tice seems to really be high on Webb at LT, and it doesn’t look like C. Williams will get the chance to compete for that spot.
I'm still on the "Carimi to LT" bandwagon even though that is not gonna happen.
I just feel that since Tice is going to have a run-heavy offense, why not have a guy that is a beast in the run game and solid in pass-protection play the position he’s played his entire life and has excelled at that position.
by frenchbears113 on Feb 10, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I hope with a full offseason the Bears open up LT competition
and may the best man win
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 10, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Edwin Williams was by far the best guard, Louis couldn’t block the sun at guard or tackle but he isn’t the worst lineman the Bears have, that is Frank Omiyale. I call him “turn style”. Chris Williams is a swing tackle at best on this team. He really needs to go to a zone blocking system.
This would be a good year to trade up to get that special tackle. Riley Reiff and Jonathan Martin, I don’t trust in this draft to be true Left Tackles. Matt Kalial is the only true left tackle in the first round of this draft.

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