Angelo Is A Cool Cat

by Adam T on Mar 27, 2007 3:27 PM CDT in News

I spend all that time writing out that post, only to bury with another. Here is some info that I had not seen before from the Daily Southtown.

Rosenhaus hunted down Angelo at the Owner's Meeting to work on this. Angelo pretty much rebuffed him and later had this to say.

"I don't really want to get into all that," Angelo said. "Our agenda here is not to talk about Lance Briggs. This is an owners' meeting. That just kind of happened."

Outstanding.

On the talks that the Skins were ready to offer a trade for Briggs.

"If somebody makes an offer, they have to come to us, and nobody from the Redskins has come to me in an official capacity with anything," Angelo said. "So, that's where it is. I'm not going to comment on media speculation, because there was a lot of it last night, as I'm sure there is today.

"What was said last night was, to my knowledge, inaccurate. Nobody from the Redskins called me to offer us anything."

I wonder if I am part of the media, because I have to have put more words down on Briggs then just about anybody given my medium.

Then there is this piece, which could just be somebody's attempt to play off of the Thomas Jones situation.

The Bears technically would still be able to franchise Briggs again in `08, but Angelo, in a meeting with the Pro Bowl linebacker Monday, reportedly promised not to tag him in `08 if he gave the Bears a full commitment in `07.

Angelo refused to comment stating that is an in-house matter and any information about this will not come from the Bears camp.

STONEWALL HIM, JERRY!!!

Just keep shutting him down until they are so desperate and foaming at the mouth that they will agree to almost anything just to get something done.

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I like your owner

let's trade

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by Skin Patrol @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 3:58 PM CDT reply actions

He is our GM

On the trade what do you want for your Cheerleaders???

by beardown on Mar 27, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Our owner is a moron

Angelo is the GM

Ted Phillips is the President.

McCaskey's own the team and it's only recently that they started to get the hell out of the way.

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions

That's an easy mistake...

As your owner thinks he's a general manager.

by Chad @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

We have an owner????

by Adam T on Mar 27, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions

According to Crains we have an owner

and her name is Virginia McCaskey who is not a moron but one of her Children by the name of Michael McCaskey is a moron.

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/mag/article.pl?article_id=24665

by beardown on Mar 27, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Disagree...

I hate to trash and old lady, but she let her son take over the Bears and let them go to shit for so long. Not to mention that she disobeyed her father's dying wish (allegedly) to keep that from happening. Virginia may actually own the team but it's Mike that ran it into the ground. Only when he stepped down did this team turn around. If her brother, George Jr. didn't die before Papa Bear, things would have been very different.

by Chad @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

I hear what your saying but I at least

give her credit for firing her son. I have never heard any of the coaches or players who have met her and her late husband say anything bad about them. Now her son &&%%$ that is what I have to say about him!

by beardown on Mar 27, 2007 4:47 PM CDT reply actions

Of course not

She's probably the sweetest nicest cookie bakingest grandma in the world. All I'm saying is that she disobeyed her father and let her son run the team. Not a good move.

by Chad @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Didn't mean to open the floodgates here

but yes, my opinion of Michael McCaskey is that of a moron who killed our franchise for years. I don't know who exactly has ownership claim, I just presumed all the McCaskey's had a stake with Virginia having the most.

But I'm sure Virginia is a sharp dame with a sweet disposition...didn't mean to offend her followers.

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Apparently

Mort said on Sportscenter that the Bears rebuked the offer and that Angelo was pissed at the 'Skins on how they handled the situation and the media.

Personally I think the Bears should be mad at Drew Rosenhaus. He's the one who called the deal a "likelihood", he's the one who went to the media by all accounts. As far as I can tell, the Redskins did nothing besides (maybe?) throwing out an offer and refusing to comment.

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by Skin Patrol @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 5:23 PM CDT reply actions

Not so fast....

Redskins owner Dan Snyder confirmed to foxsports.com that they wanted to make the move and were waiting to talk to the Bears. Snyder reportedly spent a couple of minutes talking to Briggs, who was with Rosenhaus at the meetings. Snyder and Redskins vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato were planning to consult with head coach Joe Gibbs regarding the deal. According to foxsports.com, Rosenhaus informed Cerrato that he had spoken with the Bears, and they were waiting an official call from the Redskins.

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bears.asp?id=294830

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558

Seems your owner has been meddling again...

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions

definitely not handled well

and if the skins actually talked to briggs about this, then that makes it worse. mort's report on the bears rebuking the offer is good news, i think. we should get at least a 2nd or 3rd rounder as well, though those might come next season. as it stands right now, i wouldn't do this trade. and honestly, considering our needs, i don't think a #6 pick is all that great. multiple first and second round picks are more appropriate, because we need to add a little more depth.

by guy incognito on Mar 27, 2007 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions

our needs

have nothing to do with what is a fair return for briggs.

the deal as it stands give us the equivalent of a mid-first round pick. The Patriots got a late first-rounder for Deion Branch, who was in a similar situation to Briggs, and receiver is more of a premium position than OLB.

It would be nice to get more than a mid-first round pick--heck, it would be nice to have three first round picks--but i don't see what basis you have for saying we should get more than what was offered.

by tomas21 on Mar 27, 2007 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions

I couldn't disagree more

WR's are interchangeable parts, products of the system they play in and the QB that throws them the ball.

Bears will have a much harder time replacing Briggs than the Pats did replacing Branch.

As I mentioned earlier, Bears should hold out for what they feel is fair value and that should at least be a 3rd/4th round pick (this year or next) on top of moving up this year.

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions

i don't know

the bears have lost a few good OLBs like holdman and colvin, and you'd never know it. but i sure noticed a difference when booker left.

and as for WRs, on the pats they might be interchangable, but other teams need a wr that can get open. berrian is the first one we've had in the last few years that can get open, and it makes a difference. the whole defense has to work together to stop a touchdown from happening, but a good WR can make a move and score one pretty much by themself.

i guess i don't see what basis you have for saying a year of briggs is worth a first and third, rathe than just a first round pick.

by tomas21 on Mar 27, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions

berrian

needs o learn how to fight for a ball before you can consider him a go to guy.

by mike b on Mar 27, 2007 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions

true

i was saying more that he is the only receiver we've had since booker who can get open. gage, wade and moose can't get any separation.

by tomas21 on Mar 28, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions

it wouldn't be a year of briggs

there is no doubt the trade would be contingent on the skins (or whoever tries to trade for him) working out a long-term deal for briggs prior the the trade being finalized.

by guy incognito on Mar 27, 2007 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions

right

but they are really only trading for a year of him, because they will ahve to sign him to a long-term, big-money deal, the same as he would have gotten on the open market.

by tomas21 on Mar 28, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions

If the Bears were

just getting the Redskins first pick, I'd say do the deal, but we have to cough up our first pick if I understand the deal correctly. Now if we did this deal before free agency, I'd rethink it too, but now everyone is gone, so it's the draft or resurrection project or keep Briggs. So yeah, I think the Skins or whomever needs to sweeten the pot.

Colvin has been pretty good for the Pats, maybe not as good as with the Bears (I honestly don't know), but the Pats aren't looking to cut him or anything so I assume they're happy with what they got.

Different systems anyway when we had Colvin/Holdman.

But I really think Briggs is a playmaker and yes WR who are playmakers like the Rice, Moss once upon a time, TO when he's not being a little bitch, sure. Deion Branch on the other hand, nothing special at all, which is why I suppose I took exception to the comparision.

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions

F Colvin

Weak run stopping rush linebacker best suited for a 3 - 4. He has good backside pursuit speed but you can run at him all day.

If Briggs leaves, I doubt he'll be on many pro bowl teams in the future. He's a good linebacker playing next to a great one.

by Chad @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Colvin has a job

because of his pass rush abilities.

by Adam T on Mar 28, 2007 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions

the fact

that they are giving up their first is just a factor of where the skins are picking. if the skins had a mid-round pick, we'd get their pick without giving anything back.

i wasn't saying to get colvin back. i was saying that for the most part, outside linebackers aren't difference-makers, at least not to the extent that receivers can be. for all we know briggs could be just an above-average linebacker, who has parlayed being in a good system for him, and playing next to all-world urlacher into a huge money deal.

rice and moss were league changers. there are plenty of game changers in the league right now, and it would cost more to get one than to get any outside linebacker out there. if you are in fantasy football, think back to the first 10 wide receivers taken, and think about whether anyone would trade one for briggs. no chance. and i'd take branch over any bears receiver in a heartbeat.

by tomas21 on Mar 28, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions

Snyder

is his own worst enemy. He'll be my worst enemy as well if he messes up getting us a shot at Calvin Johnson by blabbing to the media about this deal.

ps i hate rosenhaus. and unlike Boras, who is an effective big-named, no-soul agent, Rosenhaus is a crappy agent.

by tomas21 on Mar 27, 2007 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm sorry

what about the above suggests malfeance on the Redskins? He said they wanted to make a move on Briggs and was waiting to consult with the Bears. That is totally consistent with what the Bears said.

Obviously that's different from remaining mum on the entire deal, but hardly means the Redskins did anything wrong. That Danny Snyder "confirmed" a story is evidence that he wasn't the one to leak the trade in the first place; that was Drew.

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by Skin Patrol @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Also...

thank God the Bears declined the trade and saved the Redskins from themselves.

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by Skin Patrol @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 27, 2007 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions

But the report says that they still had not talked

.. to Gibbs about this trade. Don't you think Gibbs would of stopped this deal?

by beardown on Mar 27, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Apparently he didn't

which is why I'm hoping the Bears save us from ourselves; including Coach Gibbs.

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by Skin Patrol @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 28, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions

I suppose the problem

would be the Redskins doing this in public. Angelos is claiming the Redskins never made them an offer, Snyder and whomever are saying they want to make a deal.

So if the Redskins think it's best to air this publicly, I can see why the Bears would be angry. Last thing the Bears need out there is that a deal was on the table that they passed on if this thing really does turn into a holdout come August.

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions

I see what you're saying

that the Redskins should have never allowed the terms of the deal to go public because that affects the Bears' hand.

But they didn't go public, Rosenhaus did. The Redskins confirmed their own position, but they weren't the ones who released the info to the media by all accounts. Both Vinny Cerrato and Joe Gibbs characterized the trade as rumors and declined to comment in this morning's Post.

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by Skin Patrol @ Windy City Gridiron on Mar 28, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions

I dont' blame the Bears or Skins

for anything that happens from hear on in. Rosenhaus is on a personal mission and if things go bad it is all on him.

I think both the Bears and Skins management would prefer to just sit back and let him run out of air.

by Adam T on Mar 28, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Sure

With T.O. safe on his team for a consecutive year, Drew needs someone to help him get noticed.

by tyger1147 on Mar 28, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Clayton in his latest explains it better...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2816090

The Bears received the formal trade offer from the Redskins, a swap of the No. 6 pick in the draft in exchange for Bears linebacker Lance Briggs and the 31st pick in the first round. The Bears are mad. They think it was unprofessional for the Redskins to team up with Briggs' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, and try to make a public trade offer without talking to them first. The Bears will study the proposal over the weekend, but they say the way this was handled makes it tougher for the trade to happen.

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by thecubreporter on Mar 28, 2007 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Vague Darrell Jackson rumor

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/6434530p-5734011c.html

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 7:08 PM CDT reply actions

that would be

Bears calling about Darrell Jackson of course...

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by thecubreporter on Mar 27, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Rosebhaus

was on sportscenter tonight talking about how smart the bears are to be going after this deal, and how a trade has been their intention all along once they franchised him, since they never had any intention of signing him long term.

Then they had I think mortensen or someone down at the meetings come on say that this deal is dead, and the Bears are pissed that it was even leaked this way. the last quote of the piece was "Rosenhaus sure id good at making noise."

by mike b on Mar 27, 2007 8:25 PM CDT reply actions

rosenhaus was hilarious

his comments about how much of a genius jerry angelo is for getting something for briggs instead of nothing (like the ravens for thomas) was just funny as hell. no doubt angelo is playing hardball now. i'm sure he'll settle for nothing less than at least a 2nd or 3rd rounder thrown in at this point. drew overplayed this trade too much, and now it looks like the skins will have to give up a bit more to get it done.

by guy incognito on Mar 27, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions