BEARS Defeat The CHIEFS 20-10

by WCG on Sep 16, 2007 6:33 PM CDT in News

While the numbers didn't look all that great, the Bears moved to a 1-1 record by beating the Chiefs 20-10.

Despite promises to open up the offense, it looks like Ron Turner might have actually shut it down a little.

Grossman's numbers of 20 of 34 for 160, 1 TD and 2 INTs with a 4.7 average don't spark a whole lot of hope, but again how much is Grossman and how much is it not letting him go for the home run?

Benson had the bounce back game he needed rushing for 101 with a 4.2 average. Enough to calm down the Corey Dillon talks?

Berrian again leads in receptions with 5 for 65 yards.

The Chiefs offensive numbers were a bit worse. The Bears held Larry Johnson to 55 yards with a 3.4 yard average.

Nice to get the win, but doesn't do much show a whole lot. Dallas is next week and they are playing well right now. I can't say this week's performance makes me all tingly.

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grossman

a lot of pressure.

berrian and moose fumbling/dropping balls killed important drives.

we are screwed unless we see some big improvement.

by mike b on Sep 16, 2007 6:35 PM CDT 0 recs

Not so fast....

Our Defense is awesome. One field goal from the offense, and then a lousy stand at the end of the first half.

The offense has a lot of potential, but there is one thing holding them back...Ron Turner. You can't expect them to succed when you run on play, and then pass the next five. Plus, the passes are all three yards. Throw the ball ten yards on the outside, or down field. These short passes evey play are killing me.

The pass blocking wasn't the best, but why did they have Wolfe in on 3rd and 4? They knew they were going to blitz all out, and he's a rookie trying to block that.

I don't think they need MAJOR improvment, but more so a better gameplan.

by Twins Territory on Sep 16, 2007 7:02 PM CDT 0 recs

Attn: It's not Rex's fault!!!

So apparently there's a new scapegoat in town. You guys do realize that Grossman threw deep and it was almost picked off, right? Oh wait, that was Berrian's fault again.

Okay, okay. I agree that Ron Turner sucks. But so does Sexy Rexy. I wonder if he'll throw an interception in every game this year. Or just against the really, really good defenses.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs

its always rex's fault

where the fuck have you been?

by mike b on Sep 16, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

Once

You guys do realize that Grossman threw deep and it was almost picked off, right?

He threw deep once. All game.

Grossman's biggest strength is throwing the ball down field. If you aren't going to let Grossman throw down field, then bring Griese or Orton in.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'll take your word for it.

I didn't watch much, so I don't know.

But how about--How many times did they call a deep pass, but Rex checked down because Berrian was covered? Do you know? Maybe he learned not to go for it deep every time like we all wanted, and we're seeing that that isn't such a good thing.

I dunno. And of course it just makes it sound like I'm anti-Grossman, which I am. But how much more ridiculous are my comments than deflecting all the criticism away from Rex?

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

deflecting...

I am not deflecting - I said that Grossman looked back on his two pics.

But if you didn't watch much of the game, you probably shouldn't talk about the Bears passing game plan, should you?

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

So you're saying they only called one deep ball?

All game? And there weren't any check downs? That's good to know.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

Where?

Where did I say that?

I said that Grossman only threw the ball deep once. I didn't say that they only called one deep ball.

I have no idea what plays were called. Neither do you.

But I do know that Grossman is not throwing the ball down field like he did last year.

I also know that you are trying to talk about play calls in a game that you didn't even watch most of.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

What's this mean then?

Grossman's biggest strength is throwing the ball down field. If you aren't going to let Grossman throw down field, then bring Griese or Orton in.

I suppose you'll argue that they still called deep balls, but they explicitly told him not to throw down field. You do have inside knowledge, so that is something you could know.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

What?

I suppose you'll argue that they still called deep balls, but they explicitly told him not to throw down field. You do have inside knowledge, so that is something you could know.

What the hell are you talking about?

Once again... as I have already said, I don't know what plays are called. I just know that Grossman has not thrown the ball down field this season so far.

And that is an issue.

It is a key piece of this offense that is currently missing. Maybe the plays are getting called, and they just are not there. Maybe the Bears coaching staff is not comfortable with Grossman throwing the ball down field. I don't know.

I am just saying that if Grossman doesn't throw the ball down field, he essentially becomes Griese or Orton.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Grossman did throw deep once.

And it was almost intercepted on the goal line. I know that because I watched part of the game. :) Maybe you didn't say it.

But then, you know what happened, I just know that Grossman has not thrown the ball down field this season so far.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

"maybe you didn't see it"

is what I meant.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

sure...

But then, you know what happened, I just know that Grossman has not thrown the ball down field this season so far.

You are right... Grossman has thrown the ball deep, once or twice in two games.

I am not saying it has not happened once, and you know it.

I am saying that Grossman has not thrown the ball enough.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

"I didn't watch much, so I don't know."

sounds about right.

by mike b on Sep 16, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

Play calling is pretty bad ...

but I also think that the Chiefs have a decent defense. Not great, but decent. Certainly good enough to give us a challenge.

But, ya, I'm not too pumped about a 20-10 victory over a team that got trounced last week by the f'ing Texans. Thank God we've got a good defense, but what else is new.

I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus

by iowaBear on Sep 16, 2007 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs

Good D-Backs

They have good D-Backs, I'll give them that. Surtain and Law are pretty good.

by Twins Territory on Sep 16, 2007 7:33 PM CDT 0 recs

derrick johnson and donnie edwards

aren't exactly weak either. the big weakness for the Chiefs was supposed to be the d-line, but they were pressuring Grossman quite often (although some of that was from Derrick Johnson).

And to think, we could've drafted Derrick Johnson instead of Ced.

by lopey986 on Sep 16, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

Exactly ...

Chiefs defense is pretty strong all around. Although I don't think it takes much to pressure Rex. I still think he's our best QB, and gives us the best chances for success, but he is absolutely God-awful when he has pressure on him. When the line gives him time, or he has someone in the backfield who can block for him, he can slice defenses to pieces, like he did today in the first half.

All the Q's we had before today's game I think remain in place, unanswered, after its completion. To next week, then ...

I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus

by iowaBear on Sep 16, 2007 7:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

Cedric Benson and the lack of Donnie Edwards

are not the problem with this team. If they had Johnson, think they would be paying Briggs $7.2 mil? He'd be gone. This team would definitely be worse had they done that.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

Speaking of...

...I'm hanging on the Ced Benson backer by only a few fingers. I was hoping being thrust into the spotlight would somehow make him grow up, but his body language is just not awesome.

I don't like him much as a player or as a personality, but he's definitely not the problem with this team.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

101

Did you even watch the game?

I can't believe the Benson attacks after this game.

He ran hard all game. He made plays, he protected the ball. He was able to get outside.

He did everything that you want from a running back.

But you can have Thomas Jones if you would like. He has done so much better this year.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dude...

...I'm one of the biggest Benson supporters here. If you could read, you'd see I'm still on the bandwagon. I said I don't like his personality: whining to the ref about a spot and bumping into people on the huddle, not seeming to have a burst I previously thought he had.

I drafted him in the 2nd round of Fantasy league that I won last year, so I obviously think(thought) he was going to have a good year. And he still can. Just saying I don't like his body language.

And no I didn't watch all of the game. And as you can infer, I'm fully aware of his stats.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

"personality"

Who cares about personality?

I want a running back that gets the job done. And Benson got the job done today. And will continue to get the job done.

He looked quite good today. He wasn't a problem in this game.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Keep reading.

I said almost the exact same thing. I cannot like someone's personality, and still like their game. I gave one criticism of why I don't like him as much: he hasn't shown a burst in the games I've watched. Maybe he has it, and just hasn't had a chance to show it. I'll allow that.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

hah

the team would be worse if we had Thomas Jones over Cedric Benson and Derrick Johnson over Lance Briggs?

I actually think it would be an improvement.

by lopey986 on Sep 16, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

Damon Huard--19-28 1 TD; 1 INT

I heard Chicago has a pretty good defense, too. And I don't know if there's ever been a more conservative offense than one on which Herm Edwards is the coach.

I do like the Chiefs D as I stated earlier in the week, but I'm not quite ready to say they're a Top 7/8-ranked defense, as I'd like to think the Bears are.

At least Rex is almost as good as Damon Huard. Sweet.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

just a couple of thoughts...

by all indications, olsen was held out this week because he was not (expected to be) needed. the extra week will make him all the more healthy for dallas, the bears first nfc game. and i think grossman will immediately find him, to everybody's benefit.
the o-line was good enough, but just barely. cedric looked okay; hope he gets a kick in the ass for the very lazy approach he took to covering his non-fumble.
the defense is better than i expected. the aggression is a welcome change from 2006. harris looks to be almost 100 %; life is so much easier when the front four alone can generate as much pressure as the bears' did this week.
i did not see every down, but the only play i remember wolfe being onfield for was the screen pass-turned-interception. he nees to be onfield more, even if only as a decoy/checkdown receiver.
am glad dallas is a home game; bears have not won in dallas for 20 years. beating all n-f-c opponents should be the (very realistic) goal for this club

by dc60123 on Sep 16, 2007 8:00 PM CDT 0 recs

blah...

hope he gets a kick in the ass for the very lazy approach he took to covering his non-fumble.

If that is our biggest issue with Benson, we will be happy Bears fans.

It was obvious that it wasn't a fumble. Not really sure what the big deal is.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

uh...

because, you never know how the refs are gonna call it. good to know you condone half assing it from time to time. Guess you didn't mind too much when Berrian quit running his route last game and the ball was picked off, i mean, there was like a 1% chance it was going to him anyway so he might as well save himself.

by lopey986 on Sep 16, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dropped balls?

Didn't he drop the ball once, maybe twice yesterday (other than the lazy recovery)? And was lucky that he was falling back on top of it?

Or was that someone else?

by Arbusto on Sep 17, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

i know

adrian peterson had one popped out but luckily it bounced right back into his stomach as he was falling over.

maybe it is just me, but it seems like our running backs carry the ball far away from their body.

by lopey986 on Sep 18, 2007 2:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

AP

No... it wasn't Benson, it was Adrian Peterson.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 18, 2007 8:43 AM CDT up 0 recs

by the way...

Do you people know that the Bears won?

It sure doesn't look like it around here...

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:11 PM CDT 0 recs

That's a great point.

Your insight and knowledge is invaluable. I'm fairly certain that NOBODY here knew they had won until you dropped that gem on us. Thanks!!!

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

No problem...

Maybe you could share some intelligent commentary and insight on the Bears play calling in the game you didn't watch today.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

Where?

Where did I say I didn't watch the game?

haha

Needless to say, I never said anything as definitive as you did in that they didn't let Grossman throw deep (although he did). I just raised some other possibilities. Apparently, your brain doesn't deal any anything other than what you already know, like what plays were called.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sorry...

You didn't watch most of the game.

And where the hell did I say I know what plays are called?

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

The inference you made...

...that since he didn't throw deep at all [sic], they must not have called it.

by tyger1147 on Sep 16, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

To get Meta on you ...

why is it a problem if people criticize the performance? If we can't vent here, when and where can we vent? Wait until the end of the season? Only after losses? When?

I recognize that we shouldn't be that down, this early in the season, after a win. But this was not a win over what many consider to be a fantastic team. So this criticism is very natural, IMHO.

I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus

by iowaBear on Sep 16, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not a problem...

It isn't a problem. I have no problem with criticism. I just thought it was kinda' funny to read the comments. If someone read the comments, they would probably think that the Bears lost.

I also agree that the criticism is natural. I have my criticisms of this team and this game too.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Sep 16, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Gotcha ...

if it's any consolation, it seems that right now the Chiefs fans are a bit more upbeat than we are, juding by their blog. So I agree with the irony.

But I also feel like Bears fans, myself especially included, are just more predisposed to be upset with our team than others. Even after a win. Vikings fans, OTOH, don't get down on their team nearly as much as they could (or should), compared to us, in my own un-scientific experiences with them.

I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - Dick Butkus

by iowaBear on Sep 16, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Vikings fans, OTOH, don't get down on their team

Yeah, well the Vikings fans didn't have to suffer through an emotional roller coaster season getting all the way to the SB only to lose with an up and down QB, either.

Who woulda thought?

by BlueBear on Sep 17, 2007 1:17 AM CDT up 0 recs

God Bless Devan Hester

by Zachariah on Sep 16, 2007 10:24 PM CDT 0 recs

and Devin Hester too

by Chad on Sep 16, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

I blame

Michael Barrett...

not sure for what yet though.

Rex had a nice first half, bad 2nd half. First interception he sort of airmailed a screen pass to the Garret Wolfe who looks like Gary Coleman out there. 2nd interception he forced into coverage on a 3rd down, right after Mushin dropped a pretty easy 30 yard pass.

A blowout would have been nice but the offensive turnovers are killing us.

Visit The Cub Reporter (mvn.com/mlb-cubs)

by thecubreporter on Sep 17, 2007 12:15 AM CDT 0 recs